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David Cameron takes heart from Labour vitriol

Team Cameron think the public like the sight of politicians co-operating, a sentiment that Labour's attacks possibly miss

David Cameron is at his first international summit, working the room, turning on the charm, establishing the personal rapport that is vital in high-level politics. Sitting in a room alone with seven other top leaders over lunch and dinner – albeit with officials listening in from outside the room – must be the moment you realise with total certainty that you are prime minister.

He has also piled up four bilaterals, including a big one yesterday with Barack Obama, a man of real professorial intelligence, but he is also thinking domestic politics. He is strangely thrilled at the way in which Labour is attacking the Liberal Democrats for the big betrayal of joining the coalition, especially Nick Clegg's role in the axe-wielding, VAT-raising budget.

Why is the prime minister so happy? Well, he thinks the tone of the Labour attacks is driving the Liberal Democrats deeper into the arms of the Conservatives, and that from Labour's point of view this is hardly intelligent politics. It is creating a realignment in which Labour ends up on the wrong side.

As to the polls showing the Lib Dems on the slide and his own party popular, Cameroonians think it is early days to worry about polls. Overall, Team Cameron think the public like the sight of politicians co-operating, a sentiment that Labour's attacks possibly miss. I suspect that Team Cameron is airing these views off the back of discussions with his deputy, Nick Clegg.

Cameron thinks that Labour, by being so vitriolic, is cementing a burgeoning relationship between Tory and Liberal Democrat ministers. That relationship has been helped by the budget in which neither side leaked against the other in advance.

He seems almost to have a soft spot for the rebellious-minded Bob Russell, whom he has known since his gym days at Westminster. Even Simon Hughes's warning that he might put down amendments to the budget in the finance bill have not upset the Tory camp.

Hughes had been responding to speculation that Cameron might ditch his own firm election pledge to keep a raft of universal benefits for the elderly, such as the winter fuel allowance. These cost a lot of money, but Cameron made such a song and dance about keeping them during the election TV debates that he will not backtrack now. They are staying. So Hughes can rest easy on that score.

Cameron has set up a clear choice in the wake of the budget, between 25% cuts in every unprotected department, and welfare cuts. Find more welfare cuts and the unprotected departments can suffer less in the September spending review.

Tory ministers have been struck by how hard it had been to slice just £11bn from the welfare bill. Hence the difficult discussions starting – aired in the Sunday Telegraph – about how further savings can be made. It was noticeable that incapacity benefit was not included in the slicing exercise in the budget, so expect Iain Duncan Smith, Chris Grayling and Lord Freud, the superstars of welfare reform, to train their eyes on whether in this area they can go further and faster than Labour had proposed.

All this Labour anger with the Liberal Democrats is understandable, and probably emotionally necessary. It infuriates Labour people to see the sometimes sanctimonious Lib Dems backing a rise in VAT that the party's leadership spent the election campaign condemning.

According to the Lib Dems the budget had fairness hardwired into it, but if you look at the Institute for Fiscal Studies analysis, much of this hardwiring was actually installed by Labour in the form of the NICs rises in its March budget. Team Cameron is happy to acknowledge that they included Labour's NICs changes in constructing the tables showing the distributional impact of the budget, arguing that George Osborne could have taken the NICs rises out if he so wished, and therefore it was legitimate to do so.

Team Cameron's view is that the IFS did them little damage and did not find any hidden explosive device in the small print of the budget, something that frequently happened in the Brown budgets, which eroded confidence in the Treasury and, ultimately, in politics.


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  • AmberStar AmberStar

    27 Jun 2010, 1:37PM

    Labour does not have its new leader at the moment. It is exactly the right time to attack the Dems.

    Tories can ignore the polling if they want to, by saying it is early days. Their party is not the one facing a wipe out. The Dems are.

    Nobody expected the strength of the Labour vote in 1997. Without the Dems as a credible alternative to the Tories, it could happen again, sooner than the Tories think possible.

  • Ramski Ramski

    27 Jun 2010, 1:48PM

    David Cameron can take all the comfort he wants from the opposition's vitriol; when the budget cuts start to take effect, and they will in a tangible way, the voters will turn their vitriol on Cameron also.

    Who knows what the future holds but I wouldn't put money on a Tory victory at the next election. The double-dip recession is lurking around the corner....

  • sneekyboy sneekyboy

    27 Jun 2010, 1:49PM

    All this Labour anger with the Liberal Democrats is understandable, and probably emotionally necessary

    How else would they be able to fire up their supporters and convince them to forget that it was Labour that brought about the requirement for such drastic cuts and tax rises through their fiscal irresponsibility!

    the IFS did them little damage and did not find any hidden explosive device in the small print of the budget, something that frequently happened in the Brown budgets

    Speaks for itself!

    The lib dems are not finished. They are not even started. Lets see how those polls go when the rescinding of oppressive legislation begins!

  • sneekyboy sneekyboy

    27 Jun 2010, 2:01PM

    I'm always amazed at the NuLabour supporters, who despite 13 years of evidence persist in beleiving that NuLabour are progressive.

    NuLabour are not progressive!

    Where is it progressive to mortgage our childrens future?

    Nulab spent a fortune trying to secure the votes of the masses in the present at the cost of the opportunities and welfare of future generations.

    In years to come, we will still be paying off the national debt. That debt repayment will have to come from a surplus at some point in the future and that surplus would have paid for the schools, hospitals and police of the time.

    Labours short term view to improving the quality of life for the poor, funded by a debt bubble will only harm the poor in the long run since over the long term, services will have to be cut drastically.

    The Lib dems are doing their part to limit the damage that future generations will suffer, a truly progressive approach.

    The Lib dems are doing their part to limit the damage of a 100% Tory budget. Evidence of this can be seen in CGT increases and increases in the personal allowance. Progressive policies that would have been omitted otherwise!

    If the surge of Lib dem supporters, that switched from Labour, at the election are returning home now Gordons gone then I see no problem.

    The Lib dems are not trying to become the next government at another election. They are under no illusions that they can do that! The system is flawed specifically to benefit the two main parties and it is that two party system of opposing ideology that always leads us back to Boom and Bust.

    Until Labour can come up with serious alternatives and figure out what it is they actually stand for anymore, all they can do is roar at the dismantling of their legacy like a toothless tiger!

  • oldefarte oldefarte

    27 Jun 2010, 2:03PM

    For the moment, the public seem to be taken in by the Coalition's Ministry of Truth type pronouncements that 'we are all in this together'. Lets see what happens when the unnecessarily severe cuts start to bite. I doubt whether public opinion will be so kindly disposed to Cameron and his crew then. Also the LIberal DEmocrats are down to 17% in the last Yougove poll. On that basis the number of seats they hold would be halved.

  • Kookboy Kookboy

    27 Jun 2010, 2:07PM

    Lets think about the polls at the moment Labour without a leader have gone up significantly, yes the tories have but that's the bounce from the election and first few months. I foresee an election within the next two years and lib/dem wipe out, in Wales and Scotland, with some losses in the rest of the country, Labour gains and a much closer margin between the Tories and Labour.

  • RobertsRadio RobertsRadio

    27 Jun 2010, 2:08PM

    "Well, he (Cameron) thinks the tone of the Labour attacks is driving the Liberal Democrats deeper into the arms of the Conservatives, and that from Labour's point of view this is hardly intelligent politics. It is creating a realignment in which Labour ends up on the wrong. side."

    Well he is deluded then! Nothing could drive the Lib Dems 'further into the arms' of the tories. The fact of the matter is very clear, that Nick Clegg as a person has far more in common with Cameron than his party's policies do otherwise he would have chosen to collate with labour. Also, the very fact that the lib dems have collated with the tories and seem to be selling out on everything means they are losing voters faster than a old man losing his hair so I would say the real damage is being done to the Lib Dems.

    All it takes is for the lib's to lose confidence in the tories and pull out and then we will go to election and I believe that labour will win that election.

  • regor1 regor1

    27 Jun 2010, 2:16PM

    Labour supporters think that the coalition support will fall as the cuts bite, actually if anything I think the opposite could well happen. People are not stupid and they know who put the UK in the mess it is now in and as the damage becomes increasingly obvious, Labour support will dwindle. People do like to see the two parties working together and in future I think Labour will increasingly be seen as an irrelevance. I think this coalition could be in power for a very long time, if as I suspect, their economic policies succeed. far beyond some peoples expectations.

  • spanows spanows

    27 Jun 2010, 2:21PM

    I think hardcore tribal Labour will consolidate, that is all. Lib Dems will be fine as their REAL voters know what the alternatives were. Right wing Tories will ease their vitriol as much of their wishes don't get trashed and the Lib dems will see the winding back/relaxing of the oppressive nature of a lot of what Labour did.

    win-win...

  • sickboy47 sickboy47

    27 Jun 2010, 2:39PM

    @regor1

    I think Labour will increasingly be seen as an irrelevance. I think this coalition could be in power for a very long time

    Das Thousand Year Reich, ja?

    @spanows

    Lib Dems will be fine as their REAL voters know what the alternatives were.

    Their "REAL voters" presumably being about half of the ones who actually vote for them? By "will be fine" do you mean "wiped off the electoral map"?

    Sorry if I seem rude, but has it occurred to you Libs that the only reason you are in coalition with the Tories is that they didn't win enough seats on their own. The Tories don't want you there, you know!

  • spanows spanows

    27 Jun 2010, 2:47PM

    @sickboy47

    Sorry if I seem rude, but has it occurred to you Libs that the only reason you are in coalition with the Tories is that they didn't win enough seats on their own. The Tories don't want you there, you know!

    Not rude at all. I'm sure the Lib Dems and the Conservatives know that very well BUT we have the Coalition at the moment.

    Their "REAL voters" presumably being about half of the ones who actually vote for them? By "will be fine" do you mean "wiped off the electoral map"?

    LOL! They always have a solid 5 or 6 million votes at least. It just looks poor due to the FPTP. This time they got nearly 7 million so we can assume a million or so could be flotaers...voters that is ;-)

    Now for the footy...back later.

  • meleze meleze

    27 Jun 2010, 2:48PM

    The Labour is ridiculous. For years he had in his ranks the best specialist Alistair Darling and he is keeping silence as the country face the 2nd wave on Thatcherism.

  • Publius1789 Publius1789

    27 Jun 2010, 2:55PM

    Cameron may be relaxed now but Labour's plan is to splinter the Lib Dems in order to push the Tories further to the right may leave him over exposed when cuts start to bite deep.

    This is a battle for the centre ground and the only way to beat the Tories is to strip Cameron of his own internal counter balance to the right within his party - the Lib Dems.

  • Jdaven101 Jdaven101

    27 Jun 2010, 2:57PM

    If the Tories and Lib Dems were cooperating then this article might carry some weight. What's actually happening, and what Labour have been highlighting, is that the Lib Dems aren't really cooperating - they're just doing whatever the Tories tell them to. It's notable that the Lib Dems are more popular amongst Tory voters than they are amongst their own.

    There are serious questions about whether the finances are as perilous as the Tories claim. The budget has been neither fair nor progressive. No surprises from the Tories - it's what we all expect - but for the Lib Dems represents a massive about turn. What opposition wouldn't exploit that massive contradiction?

    Once a new Labour leader is elected then there will be the opportunity for a more considered approach to presenting the Labour party and it's policies. Until then, Labour is focusing for the weak point of the coalition and it is the Lib Dems all the way at present. On proportional representation, taxation, the budget, and 'fairness', the Lib Dems have betrayed their voters.

  • Decimal Decimal

    27 Jun 2010, 3:07PM

    "People are not stupid and they know who put the UK in the mess it is now"

    Yes, it was the banks. What are the coalition doing about them?
    Not a lot.

  • carren carren

    27 Jun 2010, 3:22PM

    - 'Tory ministers have been struck by how hard it had been to slice just £11bn from the welfare bill'.

    According to Pre-election Cameron they had already identified efficiency savings which they were to apply. Where & What are they??

    Is there anything we can believe from this unelected leader. Con Dem by name Con Dem by nature! To CAP or not to CAP!

    You played a blinder here Cleggy.
    He will throw you out at the first chance and none of us will have an alternative.

  • mrnonnymouse mrnonnymouse

    27 Jun 2010, 3:58PM

    Labour are just trying to deflect attention from the fact that THEY caused this mess. If there are cuts it is because Labour messed up the economy.

    Labour like to blame Thatcher, even though New Labour was based on Thatcherism. Yet we still remember that both of the last Labour governments (1974-1979 and 1997-2010) left the country broke and with higher unemployment.

    Labour, the new Nasty Party, are storing up some serious hatred with the LibDems. Their attacks are self defeating. Here are some reasons why Labour wont win the next election with a majority of their own. If they were to come back with more seats than the Conservatives in 2015 then the LibDems would never enter a coalition with Labour.

    Like the 80's, the Conservatives will win reelection by fixing the economy and bring us back to growth with sustainable public finances. Labour wont win an election until they stop defending the Blair/Brown years and realise that the times have changed forever, there is no going back to debt and decay.

  • veryoldlabour veryoldlabour

    27 Jun 2010, 4:07PM

    So what does the public want? A totally supine Opposition?

    Some of them may well like the sight of politicians "cooperating" but they probably also like fluffy little bunnies. What they are approving is more like the behaviour of collaborators in an occupied country and it looks more strained and sweaty every day.

    It's a new experience for the Lib Dems to have to put promises into action and they are doing conspicuously badly. Gone are the days when they could hide behind, "It wasn't us."

    Whatever happens, they must know both Labour AND the Tories will make sure they pay the price for power, illusory as it may be, but neither will treat them as harshly as the voters.

  • mattmcneany mattmcneany

    27 Jun 2010, 5:22PM

    It is creating a realignment in which Labour ends up on the wrong side.

    The side the Tories were on will forever be the wrong one.

    I was until a few days ago willing to give 'progressive cuts' a chance. We fought an election, we (the Labour party) lost, fair dos give the winners a chance.

    Not Now, Never again.

  • RobertsRadio RobertsRadio

    27 Jun 2010, 5:38PM

    mrnonnymouse wrote:

    Labour are just trying to deflect attention from the fact that THEY caused this mess. If there are cuts it is because Labour messed up the economy.

    No Labour did not cause 'the mess', that was the greedy banks. Or perhaps you think that we should not have bailed the banks out? In which, it is still the banks fault!

    Labour like to blame Thatcher, even though New Labour was based on Thatcherism

    Yes, Thatcher was to blame for the total lack of funds that were put into the public services, the NHS was virtually on its knees, the buildings were ramshakle, the waiting lists were an average of 18 months and trolleys of people lined the corridors because of ward closures. The same thing with education etc, etc. What she couldn't cut spending on she sold off - the NHS would have been next, this was the only reason that voters could see for her driving it into the ground. Remember, Thatcher was kicked out by her own party because the public were almost revolting! When labour got into power their priority was to spend money on the depleted, underfunded public services and they did. The tories have inherited public services that are fully funded, healthy and going strong. Give it a year or so and they (and the lib dems) will have the public services begging for mercy once more. And if you think the public services need to be cut, think about who you would call if you were robbed, your house was on fire, you needed a doctor or hosptial treatment, you needed your child educated, etc. And then tell me they are all paid too much and they are all surplus to requirements!

  • sparekit sparekit

    27 Jun 2010, 5:41PM

    Why is the prime minister so happy? Well, he thinks the tone of the Labour attacks is driving the Liberal Democrats deeper into the arms of the Conservatives
    [...]
    Cameron thinks that Labour, by being so vitriolic, is cementing a burgeoning relationship between Tory and Liberal Democrat ministers.

    Um I'm no Tory but I am alarmed by the standard of journalism. How on earth do you know what Cameron thinks? Do you have private access to his mind? You don't quote Cameron saying anything, you just say what he thinks or feels as if you know. What is your evidence for all your claims? Why don't you cite any? Frankly, I expect a bit more from the Guardian.

  • DeeDee99 DeeDee99

    27 Jun 2010, 5:43PM

    Decimel
    27 Jun 2010, 3:07PM

    ------------

    It was the Labour Government which was running a huge deficit for the last 10 of its 13 years' in Office, despite a boom (artificial, as we now know) which they created.

    The banks may have caused the recession. But it was the Labour Government (specifically Gordon Brown) which allowed them to do so and which created the policies which left the UK in such a diabolical position to deal with it.

  • AngloSkeptic AngloSkeptic

    27 Jun 2010, 5:58PM

    AmberStar
    27 Jun 2010, 1:37PM

    Nobody expected the strength of the Labour vote in 1997. Without the Dems as a credible alternative to the Tories, it could happen again, sooner than the Tories think possible.

    That result was assisted by the promise of electoral reform.

    Where is it?

  • GenHernandez GenHernandez

    27 Jun 2010, 6:08PM

    Be interesting to see if New Labour change their tune in the run up to the Scottish elections in May.

    There's a chance New Labour could be the largest group of MSPs, but without an overall majority- will they regard the LibDems as beyond the pale then?

    Although I think a New Labour/ Tory coalition would be a better fit.....

  • exile2 exile2

    27 Jun 2010, 7:04PM

    How could Brown have stopped the banks going doolally?

    He could have put a tight regulatory framework in place - but the result would no doubt have been the banks taking their toys home and abandoning London as a financial centre. And I didn't hear anyone on the Tory or Lib Dem benches calling for any such regulation.

    Our over-reliance on finance as an engine of the economy dates back to the 1980s. No-one foresaw what this would lead to, any more than anyone saw the dangers of our over-dependence on heavy manufacturing industries and coal exports 100 years ago.

    What is a government meant to do? Keep its hands off the levers of the economy and it get blamed when the wheels come off. Try to regulate and it gets accused of interfering with the market (this applies whatever the colour of the government). We seem to be engaged in a continual process of rewriting history. We can't even agree what caused the 1930s depression!

  • rusticred rusticred

    27 Jun 2010, 8:35PM

    he Lib Dems have lost their soul on the cross of Tory rhetoric..

    Vince Cable looks as if his heart has been ripped from his chest; he and the other Lib Dems are staggering zombie like into political oblivion & because their brains are dead they are totally unaware of the horrors they have hoisted upon us all.

    Cameron and his vampires have turned them into political illeterates.

  • frightfuloik frightfuloik

    27 Jun 2010, 8:37PM

    How anyone can think that pulling demand out of the economy when growth internationally is so insipid is beyond me. We seem to have learned nothing from the depression. Whilst reducing the size of the state may please the idiotic tory trolls on here, it is economic madness. Nevertheless, Labour should concentrate its fire on the Tories. The Libdems are irrelevant and in any case, successful attacks on the Tories will brush off on the Libdems as well.

  • JeremyinOz JeremyinOz

    27 Jun 2010, 9:14PM

    The coalition will probably split the Liberal Democrats, mainly because they were already a rg bag of misfits. It's just that its taken the stresses and strains of Government to make the cracks manifest.

  • whiteorca whiteorca

    27 Jun 2010, 9:31PM

    I think Cameron might not be too upset because as the Lib Dems go down in the polls the UNS seems to show the Conservatives being pushed towards a majority government. It very odd. The Conservatives go up slightly. Labour goes up slightly but by a higher percentage than the Conservatives, the lib Dems go down a lot and the conservatives get a majority. I don't claim to know how these things are worked out or that I believe them but there you go. But it could be that he’s thinking if the Lib Dems walk, he'll call an election, he’ll get a majority and even if its just a small one, it will be happy days.

    Either way the Lib Dems are getting a hard time and they deserve it. They seemed to have thought that MPs can do what they like once their elected. That if you form a coalition government you can just tear up your mandate and do what you think is right. Thing is, when you are an MP you stand on a mandate. People vote for you based on that mandate. When you break that mandate you cannot expect people to keep voting for you. You have in effect proven yourself be a liar.

    The conservatives would be getting the flak for their "we have no plans to raise VAT" comments when they were asked if they were going to raise it during the election but have been saved for 2 reasons. Firstly, no one believed them. We all know what "no plans to" means. Secondly, the lib dems campaigned on a no VAT rise policy. People voted for them based on that policy and, not surprisingly, when they turned round and introduced it, as a full partner in a coalition government, people are turning away from them.

  • Bobbyb71 Bobbyb71

    27 Jun 2010, 9:48PM

    Labour are in danger of milking the attacks (even if they are justified).

    However. This may strenghten the pact between crooks like Clegg, Hulne and (sadly) Cable.

    But Patrick Wintour seems to ignore the grassroots, backbenchers and most of all the voters.

  • condemnegliberals condemnegliberals

    27 Jun 2010, 9:54PM

    What a crock! Cameron doesnt even trust Clegg enough to leave him in charge when he goes on holiday.

    The more the Coalition attack Labour's economic record the more their own will be scrutinized. This means that once the cuts bite the Tories will be under the same cosh that the LDs are currently, coalition wobbles ahead just as Labour get a bounce following the leadership race.

  • quaere quaere

    27 Jun 2010, 10:51PM

    Co-operating yes... but not lap dogs like the LIbdems...They have sold their souls for a piece of the governing cake..If Cameroon thinks the public will forget the VAT and the attack on the pensions age of people in their fifties I despair to what goes on in his mind...I am really frustrated with this whole political system in this country and we need another Cromwell to usurp these present incumbents and start real change....You have Duncan Smith saying tonight he wants to help people in deprived areas move to homes in areas where there are jobs...HOW the hell can you do that....And this is the standard of thoughtless one off comments from the people who are supposed to be governing this country..Total unreality and there lies the problem completely oblivious to reality in their ivory towers.. Typical conDems mentality of let them eat cake ...

  • Blutto Blutto

    27 Jun 2010, 11:27PM

    I always get the impression that the Coalition Architects are playing 3-d Chess and others are happy at the checker table.
    NOTHING that matters now will matter next month and when those 'reviews' start piling up in October, this little problem will be put in perspective. The Coalition is not going to 'crack up', much as Labour REALLY REALLY wants it. Much as Labour don't want to be in power now, the last thing they REALLY don't want is a Coalition that AFTER a 'harsh' budget was introduced, went from 45% approval to 54% approval. That's pretty darn impressive.
    Did I mention this was after the budget ?

    The Coalition has its eyes on the prize in 2015. I think it will likely make it. Labour is helping out very nicely so far. I'm pretty sure they will continue to fulfill Cameron's ambitions. Even when he tells them directly what he is doing --- they just don't see it.
    Ya gotta laugh.

  • qwertboi qwertboi

    27 Jun 2010, 11:29PM

    veryoldlabour - So what does the public want? A totally supine Opposition?

    Labour has rightly realised that a low-profile is exactly what is needed now. The deficit hysteria stirred by the coalition and Tory press is making the electorate rather frenzied. There is a mob hysteria at the moment.

    Labour is right to realise that this hysteria has to subside before anyone will listen to them.

  • DyslexicAunt DyslexicAunt

    27 Jun 2010, 11:44PM

    David Cameron is at his first international summit, working the room, turning on the charm,

    The Americans must have thought that the Gulf of Mexico spill had spread far north! Don't confuse nasal unctuousness with charm!

  • DyslexicAunt DyslexicAunt

    27 Jun 2010, 11:47PM

    The Coalition has its eyes on the prize in 2015. I think it will likely make it.

    Herringwallop - the Tories don't want any sort of coalition by 2015, and given the way that the LibDems have behaved - collapsing their principles like a Guinness Book of Records domino exercise - they may well get what they want, especially if Labour continues to flatter itself that all they need to gain power again is to elect another dandelion spore of a leader.

  • Mendimtari Mendimtari

    28 Jun 2010, 12:08AM

    Either way the Lib Dems are getting a hard time and they deserve it. They seemed to have thought that MPs can do what they like once their elected. That if you form a coalition government you can just tear up your mandate and do what you think is right. Thing is, when you are an MP you stand on a mandate. People vote for you based on that mandate. When you break that mandate you cannot expect people to keep voting for you. You have in effect proven yourself be a liar.

    Welcome to the wonderful world of PR.

  • shring shring

    28 Jun 2010, 2:13AM

    I foresee a double-dip by Sunday, unprecedented unemployment on Monday, dark clouds of depression early Wednesday, revolution late Thursday afternoon, followed by signs of recovery by Friday lunch time, an election on Saturday evening and a nice lie in on Sunday.

    Tuesday will be cancelled.

    Always.

  • carren carren

    28 Jun 2010, 6:18AM

    That is interesting. It is Cameron's divisive rhetoric and personalised vilification of Brown that has cause most of it.
    A sensible debate on aspects of Policy is impossible.

    Thatcher's little impersonator personalised the issue.
    She did it with Scargil & the Unions, Cameron did it with Brown.
    Learning from past mistakes or determining the best way forward for the Nation was never part of the equation.

    This country boasts it has a Free Press. It does not.
    A large proportion of the press work for Tory Central Office.
    Any attempt to post a remark which disagrees with Tory Party Line or examines the outcome of previous Tory Policy is Censored. It is not printed. Try it sometime.

    That is sinister. It is Propaganda. Large swathes of the population read only one publication. They do no research in trying to understand the complex issues involved.
    And sadly, once they have someone to blame they are satisfied.
    What they don't realise is that they are still left with the root cause of the problem.

  • AngloSkeptic AngloSkeptic

    28 Jun 2010, 6:57AM

    Mendimtari
    28 Jun 2010, 12:08AM

    Either way the Lib Dems are getting a hard time and they deserve it. They seemed to have thought that MPs can do what they like once their elected. That if you form a coalition government you can just tear up your mandate and do what you think is right. Thing is, when you are an MP you stand on a mandate. People vote for you based on that mandate. When you break that mandate you cannot expect people to keep voting for you. You have in effect proven yourself be a liar.

    Welcome to the wonderful world of PR.

    AV is not PR. And the promised referendum lacks a date.

    But what is the alternative to electoral reform?

    More 'decisive government' delivered by a few swing voters in the 'key marginals'?

    Not much deliberative process there.

    Might as well count sheep in Old Sarum.

  • mpb645 mpb645

    28 Jun 2010, 9:28AM

    Reading through the comments, I am surprised to see several respondents predicting the future electoral prospects of the three parties based on less than two months of coalition government. Clegg was right to join forces with Cameron considering the mathematics and the alternatives facing the country at the time. He is also right in his determination to make it work, warts and all.

    No doubt we are in for months even years of bleating and threatening from surviving OldLabers and their Trade Union brothers. Well worth it if the country can recover its self respect during this period of coalition.

  • fibmac70 fibmac70

    28 Jun 2010, 9:33AM

    Cameron thinks that Labour, by being so vitriolic, is cementing a burgeoning relationship between Tory and Liberal Democrat ministers

    'Cement' as in 'cement overcoat' ?
    'Burgeon' as in 'burgeon off ?
    'Relating' as in 'useful scapegoat' ?
    'Vitriolic' as in 'never trust a toff' ?

  • jockmenzies jockmenzies

    28 Jun 2010, 9:37AM

    Patrick Wintour is David Cameron's favourite Guardian journalist. Anyone wanting to do a little study of political bias and how it works through the British press would do well to compare Wintour's coverage of Cameron and Brown over the six months leading up to the 2010 election.

  • fibmac70 fibmac70

    28 Jun 2010, 9:45AM

    David Cameron takes heart from Labour vitriol
    Team Cameron think the public like the sight of politicians co-operating, a sentiment that Labour's attacks possibly miss


    Team Cameron thinks this, team Cameron thinks that.....

    Like a prep-school team padding up to bat
    PoshDave and his house chums haven't a notion
    That between them and real life stands a thumping blue ocean....

  • DantheMan99 DantheMan99

    28 Jun 2010, 5:08PM

    Labour "anger" at the Lib Dems is a bit rich.

    They could have been in a rainbow coalition, but David Blunkett, John Reid and Dianne Abbott wanted to go into opposition to preserve the first-past-the-post "one more heave" strategy.

    The problem with Labour isn't their opposition to the government. The opposition is elected to do as job just as the government is elected to do a job.

    The problem with Labour is that they do not yet have a credible explanation or excuse for mismanaging the public finances, nor do they have a credible alternative of what they would do differently.

    If Labour really believes it was the fault of the bankers, which is a plausible argument, then they have to explain why they didn't do anything about reforming the system while they still had power.

    I have no doubt that Labour will have a few banner years of local elections as voters vent rage and anger and frustration at the cuts. But that doesn't mean the voters at the national level in a general election will be willing to Labour to government in a first-past-the-post election until they can prove themselves trustworthy enough of managing the public finances again.

    The desperation of tribalists like Blunkett, Reid and Abbott to preserve the first-past-the-post system only ensures Labour staying out of power for at least two elections.

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