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Let us break down the question.

A village's ordinances require residents to exercise reasonable care to avoid disturbing their neighbors with noise. The village council may impose fines for noise violations in response to formal complaints. => Fines possible for formal complaints

But unless there have been formal complaints from multiple residents, the council will not consider a complaint if the complaining individual has not attempted to resolve the issue directly with the alleged violator or with the violator's landlord if the violator is a renter. =>
Multiple complaints - council will consider the complaint
Single complainant - Complainant should have tried to resolve the dispute directly with alleged violator/violatir's landlord.


The council's first action in response to any formal verbal or written complaint that they are considering will be to offer to mediate the dispute. =>
Any formal verbal or written complaint - council offer to mediate.

Select for 1 and for 2 two different events such that the guidelines most clearly indicate that if the event selected for 1 occurs, then the event selected for 2 either will occur or has already occurred.

The council imposes a fine for noise violation. ---- This is the likely final outcome if not resolved.. Can fit in as 1

The council considers a formal written noise complaint.------TRAP for 2. The complaint need not be just WRITTEN, it could be VERBAL too....Could be 1 if 2 states that a formal complaint is made... But no other options fit in as 2...Discard

The complaining individual attempts to resolve the issue with the alleged violator ------This is one of the initial steps, so could fit in as 2. But it is not the only step, the complaint could be by multiple people or the violator could be someone staying on rent......Discard

The council offers to mediate a dispute about noise.------ This is the first response by council on a formal complaint, be it verbal or written... This would surely occur. It could be condition 2 for any future outcomes such as a fine for noise violation. It could also be condition 1 for any previous conditions.

The complaining individual contacts the alleged violator's landlord.----- Same as option 3 above

Condition 1: The council imposes a fine for noise violation.
Condition 2: The council offers to mediate a dispute about noise.


Bhavya_BD12, hope it clears your query.
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can someone give a brief explanation ???? why ???
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can someone give a brief explanation ???? why ???


Hi

Can you give specifics on what you have not understood?
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A village's ordinances require residents to exercise reasonable care [#permalink]
Hi chetan2u,
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Why it can't be
Condition 1 - The council imposes a fine for noise violation
& Condition 2 - The council offers to mediate a dispute about noise

OR
Condition 1- The council offers to mediate a dispute about noise.
Condition 2- The council considers a formal written noise complaint.
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Condition 1 - The council imposes a fine for noise violation
& Condition 2 - The council offers to mediate a dispute about noise
The above can surely happen. If the council imposed a fine, surely they would have gone through the first step of offering to mediate after considering a formal complaint.


Condition 1- The council offers to mediate a dispute about noise.
Condition 2- The council considers a formal written noise complaint.
Here, The council has offered to mediate. Is it necessary that they have acted on a formal WRITTEN complaint, it could just be a formal VERBAL complaint.
So, need not be true.
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Re: A village's ordinances require residents to exercise reasonable care [#permalink]
Thanks chetan2u

Got it!
As you said 1st example(below) can happen.
Condition 1 - The council imposes a fine for noise violation
& Condition 2 - The council offers to mediate a dispute about noise

But I see the official correct answer is ::
Condition 1 - The council considers a formal written noise complaint.
Condition 2 - The council offers to mediate a dispute about noise

Can you please let me know where I am going wrong & not getting it
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AvikSaha wrote:
Thanks chetan2u

Got it!
As you said 1st example(below) can happen.
Condition 1 - The council imposes a fine for noise violation
& Condition 2 - The council offers to mediate a dispute about noise

But I see the official correct answer is ::
Condition 1 - The council considers a formal written noise complaint.
Condition 2 - The council offers to mediate a dispute about noise

Can you please let me know where I am going wrong & not getting it



Hi Avik

The OA says, a formal written complaint has been considered, so if you take this as condition 1, surely the first action after considering, which is offer to mediate, would also happen. So, condition 2 will occur.

Now the answer that could also be correct, fine has been imposed on a noise violation, so the first action, offer to mediate has already occurred.
Only problem in this could be that it doesn’t speak of formal complaint. Maybe, fine was imposed on violation but no formal complaint was made.

So, I would choose the OA over this set of conditions, but would easily choose this too, if option 2 was not given.
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chetan2u wrote:
Condition 1 - The council imposes a fine for noise violation
& Condition 2 - The council offers to mediate a dispute about noise
The above can surely happen. If the council imposed a fine, surely they would have gone through the first step of offering to mediate after considering a formal complaint.


Condition 1- The council offers to mediate a dispute about noise.
Condition 2- The council considers a formal written noise complaint.
Here, The council has offered to mediate. Is it necessary that they have acted on a formal WRITTEN complaint, it could just be a formal VERBAL complaint.
So, need not be true.

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chetan2u MartyMurray Can you help me understand what is wrong with it? Thanks!

Cond 1: The council offers to mediate a dispute about noise.
Cond 2: The complaining individual attempts to resolve the issue with the alleged violator.
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Cond 1: The council offers to mediate a dispute about noise.
So this condition happens.

Cond 2: The complaining individual attempts to resolve the issue with the alleged violator.
Is it necessary for this condition to happen. It could be that there were multiple complaints by residents.
In that case, condition 1 would happen without this condition happening.
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­Hi chetan2u

the instruction "if the event selected for 1 occurs, then the event selected for 2 either will occur or has already occurred." made me feel that the answers on both column can be swap because it's possible to say that Event "The council offers to mediate a dispute about noise" occurs, then the event "The council considers a formal written noise complaint" has already occurred.

your explanation is appreciated­

is it because "The council considers a formal written noise complaint" event is not necessary to have already occurred before Event "The council offers to mediate a dispute about noise" occurs. It can be just verbal noise compliant. Correct?
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­Hi chetan2u

the instruction "if the event selected for 1 occurs, then the event selected for 2 either will occur or has already occurred." made me feel that the answers on both column can be swap because it's possible to say that Event "The council offers to mediate a dispute about noise" occurs, then the event "The council considers a formal written noise complaint" has already occurred.

your explanation is appreciated­


 

­The only problem is that council offers to mediate a dispute on both verbal and written complaint. 
So, it may not be a written complaint they are acting on?

 
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pearrrrrrr wrote:
­Hi chetan2u

the instruction "if the event selected for 1 occurs, then the event selected for 2 either will occur or has already occurred." made me feel that the answers on both column can be swap because it's possible to say that Event "The council offers to mediate a dispute about noise" occurs, then the event "The council considers a formal written noise complaint" has already occurred.

your explanation is appreciated­

is it because "The council considers a formal written noise complaint" event is not necessary to have already occurred before Event "The council offers to mediate a dispute about noise" occurs. It can be just verbal noise compliant. Correct?

­Yes, exactly the reason why you cannot swap them.
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Let us break down the question.

A village's ordinances require residents to exercise reasonable care to avoid disturbing their neighbors with noise. The village council may impose fines for noise violations in response to formal complaints. => Fines possible for formal complaints

But unless there have been formal complaints from multiple residents, the council will not consider a complaint if the complaining individual has not attempted to resolve the issue directly with the alleged violator or with the violator's landlord if the violator is a renter. =>
Multiple complaints - council will consider the complaint
Single complainant - Complainant should have tried to resolve the dispute directly with alleged violator/violatir's landlord.



Bhavya_BD12, hope it clears your query.
hi????@chetan2u, and other experts.
would you like to clarify further ?
for me, the "complaining individual" refers to person, instead of single complaint

another question:
i am struggling with "unless X, No Y if Z "
i can get X is necessary and Y is sufficient in structure "unless X, Y", because unless is the same meanig as if not.
but i am confused Z if??"unless X, No Y if Z "

appreciate your help.????
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Let us break down the question.

A village's ordinances require residents to exercise reasonable care to avoid disturbing their neighbors with noise. The village council may impose fines for noise violations in response to formal complaints. => Fines possible for formal complaints

But unless there have been formal complaints from multiple residents, the council will not consider a complaint if the complaining individual has not attempted to resolve the issue directly with the alleged violator or with the violator's landlord if the violator is a renter. =>
Multiple complaints - council will consider the complaint
Single complainant - Complainant should have tried to resolve the dispute directly with alleged violator/violatir's landlord.



Bhavya_BD12, hope it clears your query.

hi chetan2u, and other experts.
would you like to clarify further ?
for me, the "complaining individual" refers to person, instead of single complaint

another question:
i am struggling with "unless X, No Y if Z "
i can get X is necessary and Y is sufficient in structure "unless X, Y", because unless is the same meanig as if not.
but i am confused Z if??"unless X, No Y if Z "

appreciate your help.????­
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zoezhuyan wrote:
hi chetan2u, and other experts.
would you like to clarify further ?
for me, the "complaining individual" refers to person, instead of single complaint

another question:
i am struggling with "unless X, No Y if Z "
i can get X is necessary and Y is sufficient in structure "unless X, Y", because unless is the same meanig as if not.
but i am confused Z if??"unless X, No Y if Z "

appreciate your help.????­

­Hi

1) Yes, the complaining individual is the person who is making the complaint. Since, it is an individual who is complaining, he becomes single complainant.

2) Next, I am yet to see the usage of "unless X, No Y if Z " in GMAT. But I believe it should mean, If Z happens and X does not happen, then Y will not happen.
Let us take an example: Unless we have umbrellas(X), No going outside(Y) if it rains(Z).=>  If it rains(Z happens) and We do not have umbrellas (X does not happen), then no going outside(Y will not happen).
 
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