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David Cameron shows he is prepared for an EU battle over Turkey

The PM today displayed his anger to Britain's two closest European partners over the question of Turkey becoming a member of the European Union

David Cameron in Ankara, Turkey
David Cameron prepares for a fight with France and Germany over Turkey's admission to the EU. Photograph: Pool/REUTERS

The European Union has perfected the art in recent years of offending Turkey.

I remember a miserable evening in Luxembourg in 2005, during the British presidency of the EU, when formal membership negotiations with Turkey were meant to open. A predictable snag within the EU meant that foreign ministers, under the chairmanship of Jack Straw, could not confirm that the talks would actually begin.

Abdullah Gul, then the Turkish foreign minister who is now the country's president, is no fool. And so he told the foreign ministers that he would not sit in a hotel room in Luxembourg while the EU foreign ministers worked through their differences.

A message was sent from Ankara: Gul would put his plane on standby and would only fly to Luxembourg when there was a clear green light. This duly flickered into life at around 8.00pm. Gul set off and arrived in the early hours to allow the membership negotiations to be opened formally.

As Turkey's greatest champion in the EU, the British were furious that the union had once again managed to send such an unfriendly signal to Ankara. Officials wondered whether Gul would wonder, as he looked out of his plane's window as it made its way across the EU, whether Turkey would want to bother joining at all.

The dreadful start to the negotiations was a sign of what was to follow. For five years the talks have stalled.

Britain admits that Turkey is not blameless. It needs to do more to introduce liberalising domestic reforms. Ankara also needs to open up its ports to Cypriot goods.

But there is a barrier that is probably insurmountable. France and Germany are opposed to Turkish membership, with the German chancellor, Angela Merkel, suggesting Ankara should be offered a "privileged partnership".

Two EU member states on their own would not normally be able to block such a strategically significant step as admitting Turkey. But as the EU's two largest founding member states, France and Germany enjoy special status. Their views are also reflected across much of the rest of Europe.

David Cameron waded into this highly sensitive issue today when he used a speech to make clear that he fully endorses Britain's long-held view that Turkey should be allowed a seat, as he says, at the European top table. But the prime minister went a lot further than his immediate predecessors who were careful not to upset the French and the Germans.

The prime minister used unusually strong language as he accused Europe of double standards for expecting Turkey to guard the camp, with the second largest army in Nato, while denying it access to the tent. But Cameron made clear that he is prepared for a battle with France when he drew a comparison between the hostility to Turkey and General Charles de Gaulle's "non" to British membership of the EEC.

The prime minister has delivered a series of carefully constructed and highly polished speeches in the two-and-a-half months since he entered Downing Street. But this is the first time he has used his oratorical skills to give such a powerful display of his anger to Britain's two closest European partners.


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  • Cuse Cuse

    27 Jul 2010, 8:54AM

    Sorry. I had to swallow a little bit of sick after reading this post.

    Nicholas' crush on Dave is the sort of things teenage girls get into trouble for.

  • justaguy85 justaguy85

    27 Jul 2010, 9:01AM

    Mind, I can't wait to see the Mail + Express headlines when all those horrid + beastly Turkish immigrants flood across our borders.

    Considering the favourable state of the Turkish economy, I doubt there would be an influx equal in magnitude to that of the Eastern Europeans

  • fibmac70 fibmac70

    27 Jul 2010, 9:14AM

    David Cameron shows he is prepared for an EU battle over Turkey
    The PM today displayed his anger to Britain's two closest European partners over the question of Turkey becoming a member of the European Union

    Turkeys don't give Christmas their vote
    So should Christians vote for Turkey ?
    David Cameron, please take note,
    Turkish politics are quirky !

  • lavieenrose lavieenrose

    27 Jul 2010, 9:14AM

    Sadly everything De Gaulle said to justify his "non" to Britain in the 1960's has proved true.

    Why is Cameron ferociously defending Turkey's right to join a club which he despises and would rather not be part of ?

    Turkey may be a secular state on paper but it is governed by an Islamic party. It is clearly not a democracy by Western standards. We see every day in Europe that Islam is not compatible with our values and way of life. But surely Cameron knows all this, doesn't he ? So it's about time Britain stopped playing Trojan horse for the U.S.

  • Cuse Cuse

    27 Jul 2010, 9:16AM

    @justaguy85

    Considering the favourable state of the Turkish economy, I doubt there would be an influx equal in magnitude to that of the Eastern Europeans

    Really? Some facts. And BTW - I'm a true lefty. Bring it on I say - I'd rather immigrants did jobs that no Brit wanted.

    The Turkish immigration to Europe rose from 1.988 million in 1985 to 3.034 in 1996. This increase is explained by the continuation of migration through marriages and by the high birth rate of Turkish population.


    The majority of European-Turks lack of vocational qualifications and they have precarious low-paying unskilled jobs.

    Or check out this. It'll show you 5,000 asylum applications to the UK in 2003.

    Imagine the numbers who'll come here when Dave gets them EU membership! The Mail will LOVE it!

  • optimist99 optimist99

    27 Jul 2010, 9:18AM

    Sense at last about Turkey.
    Does Europe want the fast developing Turkey to pally up with
    Iran or Europe?
    Turkey is going places.
    A population of 72 million (and growing fast), a rapidly expanding economy, a vibrant secular democracy that has at last freed itself from hidden military control.
    A country with one of the three European metropoles - Istanbul (15 million +) is on a par with Paris and London.
    Time for the narrow minded Merkel and Sarkozy to be overruled.
    Turkey has done successfully what the Europeans want many near eastern countries to do - thrown off religious rule and adopted democracy.
    Why give Turkey the cold-shoulder then?
    Turkey is an influential powerhouse in the near east - highly successful.
    Europe needs Turkey and Turkey needs Europe.

  • Derya1 Derya1

    27 Jul 2010, 9:20AM

    Thank you Mr. Cameron for your support. Many Europeans and Americans don't understand that, Erdogan is the real democrat in Turkey. Military was the biggest obstacle for real democracy. Erdogan didn't pass any Islamic law during his 9 years and don't forget that military doesn't have any power anymore. All coup plotters can be arrested now. Erdogan improved minority rights, made the transition to a market economy. Turkish economy is the fastest growing in Europe. We need more reforms and growth but we need EU's political support for reforms. Don't also forget that Turkey will join when it's ready, not immediately. So don't worry.

  • kjoseph kjoseph

    27 Jul 2010, 9:34AM

    The current turkish government, which the financial times correctly calls neo-islamist has rejected the kamalist and secular traditions of its founding fathers and has turned its head eastward. As well as this the state denies the existence of the armenian genocide.

    I did not here Mr Cameron mention this to Mr Gul.

    Moreover many of the practices of those in eastern Turkey are closer to those of Iran and the middle eastern and there is a high prevelant of honour killings within the Kurdish community.

    Under present circumstances it should not under consideration for Turkey to join the EU.

    The most important issue is that according to a gallup poll over 50% of turks want to join the EU so they can exercise the EU labour movement laws and move to the west. A country whose population will reach over 100 million and where two thirds of its population is below 35!

  • Teufelsdrockh Teufelsdrockh

    27 Jul 2010, 9:36AM

    Mr Cameron, we know this is the only way you have found to effectively destroy the EU, do you pretend anyone to believe that you really care about the Turish people or the EU when the only thing do domestically is to put barriers to immigration and to stop every common European policy that comes across the channel?

    Learn this once and for all tory boy: WE WON’T LET YOU DO IT. Good luck with your United States of Britain and your Little Society.

  • Pyrrhonist Pyrrhonist

    27 Jul 2010, 9:45AM

    Cameron is just doing this to pimp for increased trade. Most of the EU is against Turkish membership, because they do not want a Muslim country of 80 million which is regressing into pre-Ataturk Islamism. Cameron cannot or will not grasp this, hundreds of millions of Europeans fortunately do.

  • MuzzydeMontfort MuzzydeMontfort

    27 Jul 2010, 9:47AM

    Funny how the British Government's position on this perennially mirrors that of the United States, for exactly the same reasons. I'd question whether it reflects the will of the British people.

    Turkey is not a European country, that's the fundamental and obvious reason for opposition to its accession, but mass immigration from a very populous and culturally non-European country would be the main worry as far as EU citizens are concerned. I don't see why these concerns are unreasonable or less important than strategic and trade-related arguments.

  • or1other or1other

    27 Jul 2010, 9:49AM

    @optimist99

    Turkey has done successfully what the Europeans want many near eastern countries to do - thrown off religious rule and adopted democracy.

    Ask any minority religious group in Turkey if this is true. Yes, they have done that on paper.
    Ask this guy if they have religious freedom http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/10696.
    They demand religious freedom in Western Europe but refuse to give it back home.

  • DustDevil DustDevil

    27 Jul 2010, 9:50AM

    This is an easy one for Cameron.

    He gets to sound like a eurosceptic by bashing the French and the Germans over something that will only really get noticed in Turkey itself.

    He has no hope of winning the argument, so he can say whatever he likes.

  • jmNZ jmNZ

    27 Jul 2010, 9:54AM

    Since when did 'Christian' define Europe? I'm an atheist.
    I thought the Franco-German founding of the EU was the only political remnant of the Enlightenment left. America lost it long ago, with even their coins emblazoned with 'In God We Trust', which sounds like Iran.
    For the secular health of the EU, Turkey must and should be admitted. At the very least, it would show the Middle East and Central Asia that they are not stuck with the sole choice of a Muslim Arabia/Persia or a Christian America: there is a third, civilized, secular, enlightened route.
    Far from expanding its enlightened philosophy, if Europe refuses Turkey it will slowly shrink with America absorbing the British Isles and Russian influence returning to central Europe. China may mop up what's left of Man's greatest political hope - the French Revolution. I know it turned sour at the time but, after a century, France learnt its lesson and was the epitome of free, secular societies. Another century on, are they going to throw this hard-won achievement down the drain?

  • LupinP LupinP

    27 Jul 2010, 10:06AM

    Leaving aside the merits of Turkey's case, if their application were to be successful I bet that within 10 years another one would be in the post from Israel, promoted by the U.S. through its proxy the UK.

  • Ethelredsdirtybed Ethelredsdirtybed

    27 Jul 2010, 10:15AM

    Has anyone commenting here seen the vast, grim suburbia outside Istanbul? We are talking anywhere between 6-9 million people cooped up in grey, horrible tower blocks. These people have little to do and will be poised to move west. It is like a huge bottle neck waiting to burst into Europe.

    Don't believe the 'No-border' lefty dreamers brigade. The Turks will come.

  • MorganaLeFay MorganaLeFay

    27 Jul 2010, 10:29AM

    I agree with David Cameron's every word he's saying. I have never understood why Turkey's application for EU membership was rejected time and again. Everyone everywhere is going on about ethnic relations and no one must be discriminated because of their ethnicity, blah blah and here they clearly single out the Turkish of all people "O no, we can't make Turkey an EU member, they don't fit in they got such a different culture." This is bulls**t in its prime!

    I've been to Turkey a few times, and trust me, in the countryside they may dress differently but their thinking is not that different! They are decent and the majority is far from radically islamist. Those living in the cities are even pretty western-style in every which way.

    Then they went on about the Turkish economy not being up to scratch, but what did they do? They integrated the Eastern European nations, whose economy wasn't and isn't up to scratch either. So no justification for a rejection of Turkish membership on economic grounds, either.

    Go Dave! I'm on your side here.

  • medicallyretired medicallyretired

    27 Jul 2010, 10:30AM

    The cynic in me senses that Cameron is only backing entry because he knows it will be blocked . Thus he gains some form of cred for backing Turkey whilst not upsetting (too much) his own right wing party members. I think it is very shortsighted of the EU not to have Turkey in the EU club. Better to have them inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in.

  • uday uday

    27 Jul 2010, 10:32AM

    If UK and Cameron and the EU know what is good for them, they will silently accept what Germany and France are doing. There is a difference between Turkey and the rest of the EU. Imagine Turks claiming the same rights as Poles, Bulgarians and Romanians and swamping the streets of London, Edinburgh and Glasgow. Cameron is brazenly politicking and it is best if he desists.

  • MorganaLeFay MorganaLeFay

    27 Jul 2010, 10:32AM

    @Ethelredsdirtybed,

    the Turks have come to Germany since the early 70s, and they did the jobs the Germans thought themselves too good for, and they did them with pride and diligence and worked hard and saved. And they assimilated themselves to a big degree. They are probably the best foreigners you could wish for to live in this country.

  • MickGJ MickGJ

    27 Jul 2010, 10:32AM

    Teufelsdrockh
    27 Jul 2010, 9:36AM

    Mr Cameron, we know this is the only way you have found to effectively destroy the EU...

    I wondered how long it would take before someone found a way of coping with the cognitive dissonance caused the adoption of an apparently sane and reasonable policy stance by the leader of the Axis of Evil.

  • medicallyretired medicallyretired

    27 Jul 2010, 10:40AM

    RE Muzzydemontford.

    Turkey is partly in Europe both geographically and spiritually ( in its widest sense). I seem to recall that in the late 19thC it was known as the "sick man of Europe." If the Victorians believed it was European why don't 21st century governments? The inclusion of Turkey within the EU will,I believe , give us greater long term protection against the growth of radical Islam than all the billions and lives expended in Iraq and Afghanistan. It is also potentially a huge market for european goods as it is one of the few European countries with a growing population.

  • alipan alipan

    27 Jul 2010, 10:40AM

    Thus ; just another example of political posturing . Playing up to America and Turkey , and being seen to be standing up to the French/German axis . All very predictable , and safe from the vilification of the Daily mail , seeing as Cameron is still in his honeymoon period .

    Personally , I believe the EU is playing a tease game with Turkey . It wants a friendly buffer between it and the middle east , and keeps them on a bit of string with the possible sometime admission to ' The big table ' . If the Turks wanted to force the issue , they could , but their own internal debate leaves them unable to do so with conviction .

    In another five years this issue will probably still be at the same stage . Just so long as nobody loses face and it doesn't effect their re-election chances .
    Lets face it , that is all that they really care about , isn't it ?

    I would rather not be cynical , but ....

  • vanprooi vanprooi

    27 Jul 2010, 10:44AM

    There comes a time when the extent and speed of social change becomes revolutionary, destabilising or violent. While I respect people of Turkish background in Europe -there are as yet few in the UK, but an enormous and growing diaspora on the mainland- I do not see how public housing, public health, unemployment insurance, cultural subsidies or other welfare institutions can possibly be maintained in a situation with an even larger influx of non-European migrants. I do not think you can expect that the richest or the most highly qualified will be the only people to migrate. Quite the opposite. They will have, and therefore will use, their rights fully. It reminds me of bloated Rome giving citizenship to increasingly peripheral and culturally distinct areas and peoples. Where is the point of speed or magnitute when the free flow of labour causes societal disfunction? Apart from that it is crazy to make the problem that Europe has even bigger. If we cannot prevent a Greece, and we still have Bulgaria, Romania and Italy, then the problem of governance will tend even further towards the weak, unrepresentative and illcoordinated. Cameron does not seem to get that in this situation it is the previously sovereign national commonwealths that will suffer. Unless he does not mean what he says and is a cynical bastard, offcourse.

  • GreatUncleEuphoria GreatUncleEuphoria

    27 Jul 2010, 10:44AM

    It's not at all controversial to suggest that a vastly expanded Europe is also a diluted and weakened Europe - in fact a many eurosceptics are quite open about this as an objective, such as Daniel Hannan and others in the Tory ranks.

  • Baggy Baggy

    27 Jul 2010, 10:45AM

    Although I have no ideological objection to Turkey joining the EU (at least their food is good), it seems wrong to engage in such talks while Turkey is running a proxy occupation of a pretty large chunk of an existing member state.

    Until and unless real progress can be made on Cyprus, it has to be made clear to Ankara that membership negotiations cannot be meaningful.

  • Ethelredsdirtybed Ethelredsdirtybed

    27 Jul 2010, 10:47AM

    Morgana Lafay,

    I'm well aware of the merits of Turkish people/culture. I respect them/it more than modern European culture in many ways (Yes, I know these aren't fixed notions, no need for the lecture.)

    I have met many Turks who don't want to join the EU either and become part of some consumer driven super state. I can empathise.

    But I know this, for every secular, urbanised, modern Turk there are 50 conservative, Islamic ones.

    I think Europe has all the conservative Islamic folk it can deal with at the moment thank you very much. Why not try integrate the ones we have first, then we'll see if it's possible or not before opening up to 60 million more. No?

  • InebriatEd InebriatEd

    27 Jul 2010, 10:51AM

    @MickGJ

    I wondered how long it would take before someone found a way of coping with the cognitive dissonance caused the adoption of an apparently sane and reasonable policy stance by the leader of the Axis of Evil.

    Be fair... this is so far out of the box that you would expect to find Cameron in that it almost feels like an April Fools joke.

    I believe that admitting Turkey into the EU would be the right thing to do. People worried about Turkey turning into a recidivist Islamic state will only expedite that end by running scared. From that point of view it is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

  • s1m0nn s1m0nn

    27 Jul 2010, 10:56AM

    There are only two places on this earth which have consistently ranked among the superpowers of their day, not once or for a few decades or centuries, but for the majority of at least the last 2,000 years. These are the colossi which book-end central asia: China and Turkey. Both have been in a similar swoon following the collapse of their respective empires a century ago, but both are once again on the rise.

    It would be the height of folly to close the square with Turkey on the outside, especially now that so much of the rest of the balkans are members or in the process of joining. Without Turkey, much of the Balkans will forever be an economic drag on Europe. With it, the European economy will gain a second engine, so that the big three nations of western Europe won't have to pull the whole load.

  • stoneman stoneman

    27 Jul 2010, 10:58AM

    If David Cameron was genuinely interested in Turkey's EU accession he would do well to remind the Turkish government that its occupation of northern Cyprus precludes any progress.

    Turkey's continuing demands for a two-state solution on the island have led to an impasse in the current talks and have all but condemned them to failure. In the meantime, Turkey continues to occupy the island with 40,000 troops and has imported 150,000 settlers from Anatolia. It continues to exploit Greek-owned property on the island and refuses the right of return to the hundreds of thousands of Greek Cypriot refugees forcibly expelled from their homes. Meanwhile the destruction of the Greek and Christian cultural heritage of the island under Turkish control, continues apace.

    Turkey could remove a major obstacle to its EU accession by ending the barbarism of its occupation of Cyprus. As long as it is unwilling to do so, Turkey proves itself unfit for EU membership.

  • MorganaLeFay MorganaLeFay

    27 Jul 2010, 11:00AM

    Ethelredsdirtybed,

    you have made different experience from what I have, re. islamist attitude. The thing that irks me is that since the 70s Turkey has applied for membership, they wanted to be integrated into the western-style world, but no one EU politician apparently believed they would live up to their words.

    I respect when you say that Europe has a lot of not integrated conservative Islamic folk, cause we do. However, Turkish people are among the minority in that bunch. The radicals are Turkey's neighbors more than Turkey ever will be. They voted in a more islamic government in the late 90s, led by Necmettin Erbakan, and in less than two years only they were a thing of the past already.

  • FreshTedium FreshTedium

    27 Jul 2010, 11:03AM

    Why why why do we want Turkey to join the EU? They are culturally alien to the current EU members. They are more likely to have a military coup than any of the member states, and we have no tools to safely block that. They sit in an unstable equilibrium between a secular and Islamic path, which EU could not successfully influence and should not attempt to for fear of stirring up religious hatred. They persecute the Kurd minority in the east on a regular basis.

    Turkey has no place in the EU, the only reason I can see that the Conservatives would agitate for it would be to hack off the Germans. Support democracy and trade with Turkey, but not via EU membership

  • MuzzydeMontfort MuzzydeMontfort

    27 Jul 2010, 11:05AM

    medicallyretired

    I seem to recall that in the late 19thC it was known as the "sick man of Europe." If the Victorians believed it was European why don't 21st century governments?

    Because that was when the Ottoman Empire existed, which included vast swathes of Europe.

    The inclusion of Turkey within the EU will,I believe , give us greater long term protection against the growth of radical Islam than all the billions and lives expended in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Well to say that it's a better policy than invading Iraq and Afghanistan isn't saying much, but I don't think it's been fully explained how Turkey in the EU would provide "protection against the growth of radical Islam". The arguments from Cameron and the Americans are geopolitical (relating to regional powers such as Iran and NATO), rather than concerned with reducing extreme religious ideology. It seems that Turkey is becoming less secular, so I don't see how this follows.

    It is also potentially a huge market for european goods as it is one of the few European countries with a growing population.

    So the question is whether increased trade with a growing market is worth potential vast changes to the demographic landscape of Europe. There should be open debate about this.

  • Pobinr Pobinr

    27 Jul 2010, 11:05AM

    No Mr Cameron, we're not playing on fears of Islam. We are concerned about over crowding in this country of ours (or that used to be ours) which is the most densely populated country in Europe & concerned about being swamped by yet more people covered from head to toe who can't speak English.
    This is not about race but space.

    I see no reason why we can't do business with any country in the world without giving them the right to just march straight into UK to live & work & enjoy the benefits of the NHS etc etc without having paid a penny towards it.

    72 million people in Turkey would be free to come here at the drop of a hat !

    The best situated country doing very nicely thank you is Switzerland at the heart geographically of Europe, but having the sense to stay out of the EEC.

    Democracy is still alive & well there. They aren't told what to do by Eurocrats.

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