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Re: Two cars run in opposite directions on a circular track. Car A travels [#permalink]
Didn't think about the concept of relative speed. Didn't remember it, so I solved this in another way.

We know the length of the track is 12pi and we also know the average speed of both A and B.
So, in order for them to have ran a complete lap, the (average speed * time) / length of the track (as in, total distance) should be an integer, though naturally not the same for both of them.

The lowest number in the options provided is 6 hours, hence D is our answer.
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Re: Two cars run in opposite directions on a circular track. Car A travels [#permalink]
Total distance for one lap = circumference of the circular track = 2 x pi x 6=12pi
Time required by A to complete 1 lap = 12pi/6pi=2hours
Time required by B to complete 1 lap = 12pi/8pi=1.5hours.
Time for them to meet again at point S is equal to the LCM (2 and 1.5).
But 1.5 is not an integer. So look for LCM of (4 and 3) and divided the result by 2 since we multiplied the numbers by 2
LCM (3 4) = 12
Therefore time required to meet again = 12/2=6hours.
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Re: Two cars run in opposite directions on a circular track. Car A travels [#permalink]
Is the same concept applicable for linear motion?

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Two cars run in opposite directions on a circular track. Car A travels at a rate of \(6\pi\) miles per hour and Car B runs at a rate of \(8\pi\) miles per hour. If the track has a radius of 6 miles and the cars both start from Point S at the same time, how long, in hours, after the cars depart will they again meet at Point S?

(A) 6/7 hrs
(B) 12/7 hrs
(C) 4 hrs
(D) 6 hrs
(E) 12 hrs


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VERITAS PREP OFFICIAL SOLUTION:

What would we usually do in such a question? Two cars start from the same point and run in opposite directions – their speeds are given. This would remind us of relative speed. When two objects move in opposite directions, their relative speed is the sum of their speeds. So we might be tempted to do something like this:

Perimeter of the circle = 2\(\pi\)r = 2\(\pi\)*6 = 12? miles

Time taken to meet = Distance/Relative Speed = 12\(\pi\)/(6? + 8?) = 6/7 hrs

But take a step back and think – what does 6/7 hrs give us? It gives us the time taken by the two of them to complete one circle together. In this much time, they will meet somewhere on the circle but not at the starting point. So this is definitely not our answer.

The actual time taken to meet at point S will be given by 12\(\pi\)/(8\(\pi\) – 6\(\pi\)) = 6 hrs

This is what we mean by unexpected! The relative speed should be the sum of their speeds. Why did we divide the distance by the difference of their speeds? Here is why:

For the two objects to meet again at the starting point, obviously they both must be at the starting point. So the faster object must complete at least one full round more than the slower object. In every hour, car B – the one that runs at a speed of 8\(\pi\) mph covers 2\(\pi\) miles more compared with the distance covered by car A in that time (which runs at a speed of 6\(\pi\) mph). We want car B to complete one full circle more than car A. In how much time will car B cover 12\(\pi\) miles (a full circle) more than car A? In 12\(\pi\)/2\(\pi\) hrs = 6 hrs.
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Re: Two cars run in opposite directions on a circular track. Car A travels [#permalink]
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Two cars run in opposite directions on a circular track. Car A travels at a rate of \(6\pi\) miles per hour and Car B runs at a rate of \(8\pi\) miles per hour. If the track has a radius of 6 miles and the cars both start from Point S at the same time, how long, in hours, after the cars depart will they again meet at Point S?

(A) 6/7 hrs
(B) 12/7 hrs
(C) 4 hrs
(D) 6 hrs
(E) 12 hrs


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Total Distance=2*pi*6=12pi
Relative speed=8pi-6pi=2pi
So in 1 hour B will be 2 pi ahead of A or 2pi ahead from point S.
To cover 12pi or to go to point S, time taken will be=12pi/2pi
6 hours
D:)
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Re: Two cars run in opposite directions on a circular track. Car A travels [#permalink]
As much I have studied in many official sources, relative speed of two vehicle moving in opposite direction is added, no subtracted as you did in your explanation.
Probably there might be another reason for subtracting speeds as clarified by Bunnel.

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Two cars run in opposite directions on a circular track. Car A travels at a rate of \(6\pi\) miles per hour and Car B runs at a rate of \(8\pi\) miles per hour. If the track has a radius of 6 miles and the cars both start from Point S at the same time, how long, in hours, after the cars depart will they again meet at Point S?

(A) 6/7 hrs
(B) 12/7 hrs
(C) 4 hrs
(D) 6 hrs
(E) 12 hrs


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Total Distance=2*pi*6=12pi
Relative speed=8pi-6pi=2pi
So in 1 hour B will be 2 pi ahead of A or 2pi ahead from point S.
To cover 12pi or to go to point S, time taken will be=12pi/2pi
6 hours
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This is a very simple problem so need to make it unnecessarily complicated.

Let the speeds of Car A and Car B be Va and Vb respectively. The ratio of their speeds is:
Va/Vb=6pi/8pi=3/4 which means that B completes 4 revolutions in the time that A completes 3 revs after which they meet at their starting point S.
Time for A to complete 3 revs = 12pi*3/6pi = 6 hours.
Or, time for B to complete 4 revs = 12pi*4/8pi = (also) 6 hours. ANS: D
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Bunuel wrote:
Bunuel wrote:
Two cars run in opposite directions on a circular track. Car A travels at a rate of \(6\pi\) miles per hour and Car B runs at a rate of \(8\pi\) miles per hour. If the track has a radius of 6 miles and the cars both start from Point S at the same time, how long, in hours, after the cars depart will they again meet at Point S?

(A) 6/7 hrs
(B) 12/7 hrs
(C) 4 hrs
(D) 6 hrs
(E) 12 hrs


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VERITAS PREP OFFICIAL SOLUTION:

What would we usually do in such a question? Two cars start from the same point and run in opposite directions – their speeds are given. This would remind us of relative speed. When two objects move in opposite directions, their relative speed is the sum of their speeds. So we might be tempted to do something like this:

Perimeter of the circle = 2\(\pi\)r = 2\(\pi\)*6 = 12? miles

Time taken to meet = Distance/Relative Speed = 12\(\pi\)/(6? + 8?) = 6/7 hrs

But take a step back and think – what does 6/7 hrs give us? It gives us the time taken by the two of them to complete one circle together. In this much time, they will meet somewhere on the circle but not at the starting point. So this is definitely not our answer.

The actual time taken to meet at point S will be given by 12\(\pi\)/(8\(\pi\) – 6\(\pi\)) = 6 hrs

This is what we mean by unexpected! The relative speed should be the sum of their speeds. Why did we divide the distance by the difference of their speeds? Here is why:

For the two objects to meet again at the starting point, obviously they both must be at the starting point. So the faster object must complete at least one full round more than the slower object. In every hour, car B – the one that runs at a speed of 8\(\pi\) mph covers 2\(\pi\) miles more compared with the distance covered by car A in that time (which runs at a speed of 6\(\pi\) mph). We want car B to complete one full circle more than car A. In how much time will car B cover 12\(\pi\) miles (a full circle) more than car A? In 12\(\pi\)/2\(\pi\) hrs = 6 hrs.


Hi,

If the speed of car B had been 18\(\pi\), then Speed Car B - Speed Car A = 18\(\pi\) - 6 \(\pi\) = 12 \(\pi\)
Following the approach above, 12\(\pi\) / 12\(\pi\) = 1 hour. But this is not possible since in one hour, Car A will have completed only half a lap. In this case what we get is that Car A has completed 1/2 lap and Car B has completed 1.5 laps, so they meet but not at the starting point. Am I doing something wrong?

Thanks!
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Re: Two cars run in opposite directions on a circular track. Car A travels [#permalink]
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Bunuel wrote:
Two cars run in opposite directions on a circular track. Car A travels at a rate of \(6\pi\) miles per hour and Car B runs at a rate of \(8\pi\) miles per hour. If the track has a radius of 6 miles and the cars both start from Point S at the same time, how long, in hours, after the cars depart will they again meet at Point S?

(A) 6/7 hrs
(B) 12/7 hrs
(C) 4 hrs
(D) 6 hrs
(E) 12 hrs


Kudos for a correct solution.


VERITAS PREP OFFICIAL SOLUTION:

What would we usually do in such a question? Two cars start from the same point and run in opposite directions – their speeds are given. This would remind us of relative speed. When two objects move in opposite directions, their relative speed is the sum of their speeds. So we might be tempted to do something like this:

Perimeter of the circle = 2\(\pi\)r = 2\(\pi\)*6 = 12? miles

Time taken to meet = Distance/Relative Speed = 12\(\pi\)/(6? + 8?) = 6/7 hrs

But take a step back and think – what does 6/7 hrs give us? It gives us the time taken by the two of them to complete one circle together. In this much time, they will meet somewhere on the circle but not at the starting point. So this is definitely not our answer.

The actual time taken to meet at point S will be given by 12\(\pi\)/(8\(\pi\) – 6\(\pi\)) = 6 hrs

This is what we mean by unexpected! The relative speed should be the sum of their speeds. Why did we divide the distance by the difference of their speeds? Here is why:

For the two objects to meet again at the starting point, obviously they both must be at the starting point. So the faster object must complete at least one full round more than the slower object. In every hour, car B – the one that runs at a speed of 8\(\pi\) mph covers 2\(\pi\) miles more compared with the distance covered by car A in that time (which runs at a speed of 6\(\pi\) mph). We want car B to complete one full circle more than car A. In how much time will car B cover 12\(\pi\) miles (a full circle) more than car A? In 12\(\pi\)/2\(\pi\) hrs = 6 hrs.


Hi,

If the speed of car B had been 18\(\pi\), then Speed Car B - Speed Car A = 18\(\pi\) - 6 \(\pi\) = 12 \(\pi\)
Following the approach above, 12\(\pi\) / 12\(\pi\) = 1 hour. But this is not possible since in one hour, Car A will have completed only half a lap. In this case what we get is that Car A has completed 1/2 lap and Car B has completed 1.5 laps, so they meet but not at the starting point. Am I doing something wrong?

Thanks!


Bunuel could you help with this question I have? Thank you!
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Note that because A is slower than B, they will only meet at the starting point again when the difference in the distances travelled is equal to the circumference of the circle. The circumference of the circle is equal to 2x6xpi = 12pi.
Time required for B to travel 12pi more than A = 12pi/relative speed = 12pi/2pi=6hours.
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Two cars run in opposite directions on a circular track. Car A travels at a rate of \(6\pi\) miles per hour and Car B runs at a rate of \(8\pi\) miles per hour. If the track has a radius of 6 miles and the cars both start from Point S at the same time, how long, in hours, after the cars depart will they again meet at Point S?

(A) 6/7 hrs
(B) 12/7 hrs
(C) 4 hrs
(D) 6 hrs
(E) 12 hrs


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Given:
1. Two cars run in opposite directions on a circular track.
2. Car A travels at a rate of \(6\pi\) miles per hour and Car B runs at a rate of \(8\pi\) miles per hour.

Asked: If the track has a radius of 6 miles and the cars both start from Point S at the same time, how long, in hours, after the cars depart will they again meet at Point S?

Circumference = \(12\pi \)miles

Time taken to meet again = \(12\pi / (8\pi-6\pi) \)= 6 hours

IMO D
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its important to have a full understanding of what is being asked

GIVEN INFO:

the oval track is 12 pie

faster person completes 8 pie in one hour

slower person completes 6 pie in one hour

STATED QUESTION:

when will they meet again?



LETS solve this problem ORALLY:

lets find how much each person takes to travel 1 lap

INFERENCES:

every hour the faster person completes 8/12 of a lap --> 2/3 of a lap in 1 hour
every hour the slower person completes 6/12 of a lap --> 1/2 of a lap in 1 hour


important concept: speed varies inversely with time

therefore...

faster guy..... 1 lap in 3/2 (hours)
slower guy.... 1 lap in 2/1 (hours)

LCM..... between 3/2 and 2 is 6....so 6 hours passed and they both are again at the starting point


NOTE the question only asks to find when they both are again at the starting point....
(clearly the faster guy travelled more and the slower guy travelled less to reach S again)

try the following problem:
Yesterday, Candice and Sabrina trained for a bicycle race by riding around an oval track. They both began riding at the same time from the track's starting point. However, Candice rode at a faster pace than Sabrina, completing each lap around the track in 42 seconds, while Sabrina completed each lap around the track in 46 seconds. How many laps around the track had Candice completed the next time that Candice and Sabrina were together at the starting point?

A.  21
B.  23
C.  42
D.  46
E. 483
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Bunuel wrote:
Two cars run in opposite directions on a circular track. Car A travels at a rate of \(6\pi\) miles per hour and Car B runs at a rate of \(8\pi\) miles per hour. If the track has a radius of 6 miles and the cars both start from Point S at the same time, how long, in hours, after the cars depart will they again meet at Point S?

(A) 6/7 hrs
(B) 12/7 hrs
(C) 4 hrs
(D) 6 hrs
(E) 12 hrs


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SPEED. TIME
A. 6*Pi. 2
B. 8*pi. 3/2

Now in order to meet the time must be equal.
So multiply 2 by 3(6) and 3/2 by 4(6). Since speed is inversely proportional and the product s*t is constant hence divide 6*pi by 3(2) and 8*pi by 4(2).
The distance covered is now 12*pi as said in the question.
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Two cars run in opposite directions on a circular track. Car A travels at a rate of \(6\pi\) miles per hour and Car B runs at a rate of \(8\pi\) miles per hour. If the track has a radius of 6 miles and the cars both start from Point S at the same time, how long, in hours, after the cars depart will they again meet at Point S?

(A) 6/7 hrs
(B) 12/7 hrs
(C) 4 hrs
(D) 6 hrs
(E) 12 hrs


Circumference of the track = 2πr = 2*π*6 = 12π miles.
Implication:
For a car to complete a loop and return to S, the distance traveled must be a MULTIPLE OF 12π MILES.
Since Car A travels 6π miles each hour, it takes 2 hours for Car A to travel a multiple of 12π miles and return to S:
2*6π = 12π miles
Since Car B travels 8π miles each hour, it takes 3 hours for Car B to travel a multiple of 12π miles and return to S:
3*8π = 24π miles
Thus, for both cars to return to S simultaneously, the time must be a MULTIPLE OF 2 HOURS AND 3 HOURS.
The smallest answer choice divisible by 2 hours and 3 hours is D.

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can you please explain this one ?
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Given the information, you know A does 1/2 tour per hour, while B does 2/3 tour per hour... if they have to meet at the starting point, it has to be the lowest of solutions which, multiplied by the rates gives an integer (an integer because if they have to meet at the start, they have to complete an integer number of tours - else they won't meet at the start) so the only possibilities are 6 and 12 (and 6 is the lowest)
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Solution:

Notice that the question is not asking when the two cars will meet again, but instead is asking for when the two cars will meet again at point S.

Since the radius of the track is 6 miles, its circumference is 12𝜋. Car A will again be at point P after traveling 12𝜋 miles, 24𝜋 miles, 36𝜋 miles, 48𝜋 miles etc. Thus, car A will be again at point P after 12𝜋/6𝜋 = 2 hours, 24𝜋/6𝜋 = 4 hours, 36𝜋/6𝜋 = 6 hours, 48𝜋/6𝜋 = 8 hours and so on.

Similarly, car B will again be at point P after traveling the same number of miles, which correspond to 12𝜋/8𝜋 = 3/2 hours, 24𝜋/8𝜋 = 3 hours, 36𝜋/8𝜋 = 9/2 hours, 48𝜋/8𝜋 = 6 hours and so on.

We see that the two cars are again together at point P after 6 hours.

Solution: D
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