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December 25

Category:Russian Orthodox Christians from Russia

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was: do not rename. MER-C 12:56, 2 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Russian Orthodox Christians from Russia to Category:Russian Orthodox Christians

Nominator's rationale: "From Russia" looks redundant as "Russian" already indicates the origin, no conflict with parent categories. Brandmeister^talk 16:52, 25 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – these are Russian members of the Russian Orthodox Church: see Category:Members of the Russian Orthodox Church. The name Category:Russian members of the Russian Orthodox Church would be better. Oculi (talk) 20:07, 25 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The proposal as it stands does not work, as there are Russian Orthodox Christians of different Orthodox churches. An upmerge to Category:Members of the Russian Orthodox Church would be an alternative. Oculi (talk) 02:16, 26 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support -- We would not have Anglican Christians in England or English members of Church of England. We should be able to assume that Russian Orthodox are Russian, unless they are placed in a non-Russian sub-cat. Peterkingiron (talk) 23:55, 25 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

We do have Category:English Anglicans, as it happens. Oculi (talk) 02:21, 26 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Just because they're Russian Orthodox Christians doesn't mean that they're Russian citizens. As part of the Russian diaspora, they could be American or Canadian or British citizens. Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:43, 27 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This is one of 3 by nationality sub-categories of Category:Russian Orthodox Christians.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:22, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per previous; they are subcats of Category:Members of the Russian Orthodox Church, to be exact. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:24, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Businesspeople of companies in Canada

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The result of the discussion was: delete empty category. I presume the former contents has already been moved to Category:Canadian businesspeople. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:16, 2 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Businesspeople of companies in Canada (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: This category is a duplicate of Category:Canadian_businesspeople, I fail to see how these two differ at all. Mrfrobinson (talk) 14:48, 25 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Merge -- Obviously much the same thing. Peterkingiron (talk) 23:57, 25 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Category:Canadian businesspeople. Too much overlap to justify 2 categories.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:23, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:People associated with the Watergate scandal

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The result of the discussion was: Delete, move up subcats. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 07:32, 2 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Propose Deleting Category:People associated with the Watergate scandal
- Move Up Subcategories Category:Watergate Seven, Category:Members of the Committee for the Re-Election of the President & Category:Nixon's Enemies List to be directly under Category:Watergate scandal

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCASSOC, WP:PERFCAT and, in many cases, WP:BLPCAT

What's convenient here, is that this category literally start with "People associated with..." and we have an over-categorization guideline prohibiting People associated with... categories. Specifically, WP:OCASSOC reads that "the problem with vaguely-named categories such as this is determining what degree or nature of 'association; is necessary to qualify a person for inclusion in the category." Not only that, many of these are still living people being "associated" with a criminal conspiracy so there are WP:BLPCAT issues. I thought about creating more clear subcategories for Watergate Committee staffers, witnesses, and reporters but these would run into WP:PERFCAT issues. - RevelationDirect (talk) 12:26, 25 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Notified Funandtrvl as the apparent category creator and I added this discussion to WikiProject Past Political Scandals and Controversies. – RevelationDirect (talk) 12:26, 25 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Background We deleted nearly identical categories on the Whitewater and Monica Lewinsky scandals here. RevelationDirect (talk) 12:26, 25 December 2015 (UTC)-[reply]
Support nom -- Are there any members of the category, who are not also in one of the sub-cats. If so, we may need to create a further subcat for them. "Associated with" is too vague for a robust category. However in principle peopleshould not be in both parent and childs categories; and I suspect that is how this is populated. Peterkingiron (talk) 23:52, 25 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- There are, mostly staffers, members and witnesses with the Watergate Committee. RevelationDirect (talk) 21:17, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Perhaps the members of the Watergate Committe may have their own category though. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:32, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete nothing stands out to save this "people associated with" category from the usual complaint of triviality and subjectivity. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:58, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete/upmerge per nom. DexDor^(talk) 06:52, 2 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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