Talk:Jacob Rees-Mogg

Missing children

His children are missing from the article, which is an unusual omission for a Wikipedia biographical article.

Perhaps someone could add them. Their names are:

1) Alfred Wulfric Leyson Pius,

2) Thomas Wentworth Somerset Dunstan,

3) Peter Theodore Alphege,

4) Anselm Charles Fitzwilliam,

5) Mary Anne Charlotte Emma,

6) Sixtus Dominic Boniface Christopher.

See [1]https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40506109 81.154.4.27 (talk) 16:02, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

They are deliberately not named in the article, see WP:BLPNAME. This wouldn't add significant value.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 16:17, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

I agree with the latter point. Those names will be a big enough burden for the brood to bear throughout their lives, without even more people finding them out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.168.78.33 (talk) 20:15, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

You say that the children are "deliberately not named in the article", referring to WP:BLPNAME, and that naming them "wouldn't add significant value". Can you explain why it is different for Truss' predecessor as PM, Boris Johnson, whose children are named?

The names of Johnson's children are given in Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Johnson#Relationships) as

1) Lara Lettice,

2) Milo Arthur,

3) Cassia Peaches,

4) Theodore Apollo,

5) Wilfred Lawrie Nicholas,

6) Romy Iris Charlotte.

This is trying to make WP:OTHERCONTENT into a reason for having the names in this article. In line with WP:BLPNAME, it isn't necessary to name children if they are not notable in their own right.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 07:48, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Using your justification, please could you explain why the following children of notable politicians are named?

- David Cameron (Ivan Reginald Ian (deceased), Nancy Gwen, Florence Rose Endellion, Arthur Elwen)

- Gordon Brown (John Macaulay, James Fraser)

- Tony Blair (Euan, Nicholas, Kathryn, Leo) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.154.4.27 (talk) 07:53, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

We could play this game all day long, but the fact is that WP:BLPNAME discourages including the names of children if they are not independently notable. As it says, "The presumption in favor of privacy is strong in the case of family members of articles' subjects and other loosely involved, otherwise low-profile persons. The names of any immediate, former, or significant family members or any significant relationship of the subject of a BLP may be part of an article, if reliably sourced, subject to editorial discretion that such information is relevant to a reader's complete understanding of the subject." Jacob Rees-Mogg is notable because of his career as a politician, his children aren't.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 08:27, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to respond. You haven't addressed the question of selective and inconsistent application of the policy that you quoted at all. It's not clear that you even recognised it. I might have misjudged your efforts and you might be on a mission, even now, to apply the same policy elsewhere. Perhaps you have started by removing the names of the children of Boris Johnson, David Cameron, Gordon Brown, Tony Blair... Surely you wouldn't show an 'editorial' bias such as would be implicit in only applying the policy to one particular politician, would you? 81.154.4.27 (talk) 09:39, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

I'd never really given it much thought until it was raised in this thread. We've both had our say on this, so there needs to be input from other editors to get a WP:CONSENSUS on whether the names of the children are notable enough for inclusion. Personally I think they aren't, but that's just me.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 09:45, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Absolutely agree that the names of his children aren’t notable, and have removed them from the mother-in-law article. KJP1 (talk) 08:21, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

This example of editorial inconsistency is hilarious: the article on Mogg's father lists his children in great detail, including the subject of this article. One might surmise that the father is unashamed of his children's names and the supporter of the omission of the subject of this article's children is somewhat embarrassed by the, ahem, 'quirky' choice of names which does, to be fair support the subject's pseudo-self-gentrification striving. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.140.135 (talk) 08:13, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

As for hilarity, try this quote on for size: "it isn't necessary to name children if they are not notable in their own right" (emphasis added)... Jacob Rees-Mogg IS notable in his own right; hence his name is freely usable where applicable. Autokefal Dialytiker (talk) 21:35, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

JR-M's four siblings are named. Are they all "notable in their own rights"? One has her own Wikipedia page, the others don't. Perhaps the latter three should be deleted from the article.

It seems possible that some participants in the discussion, above, might be showing a bias regarding JR-M's children's names. 86.160.228.56 (talk) 07:06, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 July 2024

Jacob Reese Mogg was a British MP. Moss777 (talk) 05:21, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

 Not done We only use past-tense for dead people. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biographies#Tense. DrKay (talk) 05:29, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 July 2024

This person shouldn't have the "Right Honourable" title above his pic, as he's no longer an elected official. BonnetBon (talk) 15:27, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: It's a title for life. — Czello ^(music) 15:31, 10 July 2024 (UTC)