Talk:Non-grape wine

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Did you know... that wine can be made from substances other than grapes, including marijuana?

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Future development

The purpose of this article is two fold. One is to serve as a sort of list function that will direct the readers to the main articles on the various "non-grape based" wines. The second is to a place to put the stub-like information on "interesting wines"-like vegetable, fish and marijuana wines in one consolidate article rather than several stubs. To that extent, I'd like to see expansion on the flower wines and to craft an summary entry leading to the rice wine article. I'm also not the biggest fan of the title so I would appreciate any suggestions or input for a better one. Agne ^Cheese/^Wine 05:12, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Marijuana Wine

I think claiming that the wine is marijuana wine is a little dubious. It seems fairly obvious that the wine itself is being made with the yeast and the honey and fruit in the mixture. If that is the case, one could add marijuana to a grape wine while it is fermenting and call it marijuana wine. It just doesn't seem worth mentioning other than for the shock value. --69.205.117.180 (talk) 17:02, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not only do I agree, but I think that the marijuana theme dominates the article far too much. By reading it, someone might think the only reason for making non-grape based wine is to put marijuana in it, but I've got 16 bottles of peach wine to disagree with (and 5 gallons of plum fermenting, 3 gallons of orange aging, and 10 pounds of apples waiting to be chopped up and thrown in a must). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.92.151.50 (talk) 19:23, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I was just to remark that... This seems unlegitimate... Some form of well thought spamming...Undead Herle King (talk) 03:43, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Spamming of what? As a member of the Wine Project, this article was created for the same reason as all wine-related articles--to further Wikipedia's coverage of the world of wine. Sometimes that world includes the bizarre and this article is well referenced to reliable sources which makes it 'very legitimate. Agne ^Cheese/^Wine 15:30, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merge

There has been attempts to convert this article into a redirect to Fruit wine with some of the related content merged into the article. However, this article covers items that are distinctly not related to fruit wine and with room for further expansion into more non-fruit wine categories like starch wines. The topic of fruit wines is merely a sub topic of the larger "non-grape based wine" categories and to merge an entire article into a simple sub-topic is not a wise idea. Agne ^Cheese/^Wine 03:13, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I understand your point, Agne, and it is a valid one, but I have to say I think Fruit wine should definitely be merged into this article as a subtopic. There is really no need for two separate articles. Besides, this article is very short; nearly a stub. Why not add a section and make it longer, while also deleting an unnecessary article? It kills two birds with one stone! Cdg123 (talk) 00:47, 22 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, especially because the article titled "Fruit Wine" was renamed from "Country Wine" because people thought that wasn't a common term. I think that it is in England, where the tradition of these sort of non-fruit wines made with produce from hedgerows or allotments, seems to originate, but only among a fairly small group of enthusiasts as this type of home-winemaking is no longer common. The problem currently is that "fruit wines" includes dandelion wine, and only fails to include elderflower champagne, oak-leaf wine, beetroot wine, carrot wine and marrow or courgette wine by being far from extensive. If the article was brought in to this one, which has a more international outlook, that would provide context for a more specific look at the English tradition if county wines.122.149.90.179 (talk) 12:47, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I also agree with Cdg. Lemme mock something up. —

Llywelyn II

13:08, 8 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Palm wine in West Africa

The wine palm tree is of diffrent variety than the palm tree for red oil. In the article is wrongly stated that these are the same variety. I went in the forest to find it.Usually it likes full moisture content soils. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.125.205.8 (talk) 22:22, 4 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved. (non-admin closure) Steel1943 (talk) 05:21, 18 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Non-grape-based wine → Non-grape wine – This article isn't really a thing: it's a logical category. (The legal terms for the article's content are [forked] "fruit wine" and "wine from other agricultural products" in the US and (single term) "that's not wine! are you crazy?" in the EU). Still, it's a useful logical category and should at least be a dab. That said, we need to move it to "non-grape wine" (1,600 hits at Gbooks) instead of where we are now (8 hits). It's also shorter. There was a former (bad) dab at non-grape wine but the other link from it (fruit wine) is a very prominent part of this page, so there's no downside there.

Ngrams gets screwy with hyphens but on vanilla Google, the hyphenate form "non-grape" seems to have the edge over "nongrape". — $Llywelyn II$ 17:42, 8 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support dropping the redundant "based". --SmokeyJoe (talk) 10:00, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Fork

Can someone please provide an explanation of the difference between fruit wine and non-grape wine which is cogent enough to justify the existence of two articles. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:25, 18 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I too thought them very forky, almost !voting "merge" above, but hesitated because of sake and similar. Sake is a wine, rice wine, and rice is not a fruit. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 12:09, 18 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Simple answer to that! Move fruit wine to non-grape wine so the title can include sake. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:19, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]