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12 October 2020[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

I'll keep it simple, I spoke this an admin about this and they told me to keep it simple, so here is what I've got:

77.100.104.17[edit]

I can add more evidence if you want but, '77.100.104.17' made an edit than 3 minutes later Vamlos made an edit saying 'I forgot to log in. Let me correct it.with this account.' So I think its clear he is using that account.


82.35.202.156[edit]

This one I am less certain of, but they fit the bill, both IPs are located in UK, so that checks out, they both have similar ways of presenting statements and arugements, they both aggressively argue the point that Chinese 'coolie' men marry outside their race at extreme numbers, also they both have this odd fixation on proving it with providing DNA

I also believe this to be the case as 82.35.202.156 decided not to edit after they were told to stop


Vamlos and 82.35.202.156 use a lot of the same points, a similar amount of links, countries and statements used by Vamlos here, was used by 82.35.202.156 at some point, as shown:

his same Russian link here

his Manchu statement here

his Peruvian statement here

his Cuban statement here, this also shows his odd fixation on DNA

his Mexican statement here

his (Guyanese, Jamaican and Trinidadian) statement here, these three countries are listed and if you look at the link here, he used those same nationalities

his same Persian link here,

his Hong Kong statement here, once again showing his odd fixation on DNA

his Hawaii statement here

his Australian statement here

his Madagascar statement here

his American statement here and here


Also I'm really new to all this 'sock puppetting'/'reporting' stuff and if I made any mistakes I'll really sorry and I'll fix it as soon as I'm shown what I did wrong -- Toby Mitches (talk) 05:45, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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09 April 2022[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

Users is obviously a duck (or sleeper account) of the previously blocked WCF sub-sock of user Vamlos[1] and DerekHistorian[2]. Similar edit styles, grammar and interest of the newly created sock account "Tommyranger"[3], especially on the page Ainu people[4] and Uyghurs[5] and Xinjiang Tarim mummies[6], as well as using outdated racialist terms and views, such as Caucasoid or Europid, for which Vamlos got blocked. eg.[7] The edits of interest of WCF are clear matching, with occasional edits on another topic, a typical pattern observed among WCF, specifically AsasadalEditor, and reverting his own edits or altering them, as seen in the recent case of the sock account Whhu22[8].2001:4BC9:A45:EEAC:10F6:3F6D:489E:7B4C (talk) 22:55, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Even more clear is the link to Vamlos by specific edis at this page:[9] and [10]. Compare to Vamlos [11] and [12] and many more similar topic related edits.2001:4BC9:A45:EEAC:10F6:3F6D:489E:7B4C (talk) 23:06, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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I would check the filer in this case... - Hunan201p (talk) 04:28, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments[edit]

09 April 2022[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

So we got here by way of Vamlos (and DerekHistorian)--see User talk:213.162.80.160. Tommyranger turns out to be Shadowah also (which is why we're here), and Spacecars931, and Vamlos. All are CU blocked, but not tagged. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 14:07, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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@Drmies: I am 99% sure that 213.162.80.160 (talk · contribs), the person pretending to help you, is WorldCreaterFighter. See similar edits by the LTA accounts:

Example section from Erminwin's talk page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Erminwin#Recent_edits_on_Xiongnu

Note the identical accusations to those made on the talk page of 213.162.80.160 (talk · contribs), same word usage; specifically throwing around accusations of "racialism", and accusing me of being linked to Tigril34.

WorldCreaterFighter's new strategy seems to be WP:GHBH, as revealed to me by @Austronesier:. He's causing lots of trouble and wasting our time again. - Hunan201p (talk) 17:44, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments[edit]

01 November 2022[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

These similarities could be coincidental. But I think three shared interests should warrant a check.

Emphasizing the Caucasoid/West Eurasian features of Tarim mummies:

Emphasizing at talk pages that Wikipedia is minimizing the West Eurasian/Caucasoid and "light skinned" nature of the Tarim mummies:

An interest in the genocide of Western Papuans by Indonesian/Chinese people, which is shared with at least two confirmed socks:

  • [19] (note: freewestpapua.org)
  • [20] (note: "Free West Papua !")

Jomon-related edits

  • [24]
  • [25] (Austrian IP, unsure if ever blocked)

Also, about the username "The lord of sword". Perhaps this is stretching it, but WorldCreaterFighter has occasionally chosen usernames that contain titles of nobility, like "Lord", "King", "Khan", "Khagan", and also "Samurai/Bushi"). One of his usernames was "SpiritClaymore". A claymore is a type of sword.

Below is a list of WorldCreaterFighter socks using noble titles, many of them associated with sword-wielding warriors.

Extended content

As always I appreciate the time and effort of the checkusers and the clerks. Thank you. Hunan201p (talk) 19:33, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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I agree that the contributions of the suspected account bear many similarities with the blocked socks @DerekHistorian and @Vamlos. In the discussion Talk:Xinjiang, they repeatedly talk about "Caucasoid" and "Mongoloid", reading obsolete races everywhere even if the sources don't apply this framework. This is a characteristic trademark of the @DerekHistorian/@Vamlos-part in this sock complex.

Interest in inter-communal sexual violence as in Talk:American wartime rape of Vietnamese women and Talk:Rape during the Kashmir conflict is another clear giveaway. –Austronesier (talk) 19:53, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, thanks for pointing that out to me. Looking at the interest in sexual violence/miscegenation, we can see that Thelordofsword has a tendency to skepticize instances of rape/miscegenation between "Caucasoid" males and non-"Caucasoid" females, while emphasizing these activities involving "Mongoloid" males.
For example, casting doubt on American military male rape/miscegenation figures in Vietnam and Japan, but lending credibility to cases of rape involving Asian male perps: [26][27], [28][29] [30]
Also of note are these very similar edits regarding Muslim-Hindu interactions in South Asia: [31],[32]
Both Lord and Vamlos have made strange interpretations about the Khanty and their possible similarities to Tocharian speakers in the Tarim Basin. Vamlos later filed an NPOV noticeboard complaint about this, leaving all parties confused and disinterested: [33],[34], [35]
Examples of Vamlos emphasizing rape by "Mongoloid" Japanese, Chinese, Soviet, etc. males: [36][37][38][39][40]
Vamlos had a tendency to emphasize interracial marriage/genetic mixture between East Asian men and non-East Asian women, while Lord seems to be extremely concerned that interracial relationships between West Eurasian men and East Asian women could ever have happened, much like Vamlos: [41], [42] - Hunan201p (talk) 04:22, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Blablubbs: Regarding your comment below: I have mused about this question a couple of months ago here: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/WorldCreaterFighter/Archive#22_February_2022. –Austronesier (talk) 19:12, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments[edit]

  •  In progress. --Blablubbs (talk) 23:14, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • From a technical perspective, Thelordofsword has almost nothing in common with recent socks, but the data here is somewhat messy. I'd say block them if the behavioural shoe fits, but only if it fits very well. --Blablubbs (talk) 23:40, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Noting that I've done some reformatting of the filing by removing a number of horizontal rules. --Blablubbs (talk) 10:14, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Got an off-wiki pointer from someone smarter than me. While this account indeed has little in common with the last batch, they are a decent match to the log data for Vamlos, who is currently tagged as confirmed to WCF, but was at one point found to be unrelated in the archive, and I'm not convinced they are the same individual. It seems quite likely to me that we're mixing up multiple sockmasters here, but I'm also not familiar enough to disentangle things. --Blablubbs (talk) 17:08, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I hope I'm not stepping on Blablubbs' toes if I mention that I was the person who asked him to compare this account against Vamlos (I disagree with the second part of his sentence though). Pink clock Awaiting administrative action - I think that considering the CU and behavioural evidence, Thelordofsword should be blocked as a sock of Vamlos.
    The outstanding issue is figuring out what tags to use and what should be done with the SPI. Vamlos was found to be technically unrelated to WorldCreaterFighter here [43]. A few months later, Vamlos was found 'likely' to RobertoY20, a confirmed sock of WorldCreaterFighter, and 'possible' to DerekHistorian (I assume based on log data). Here, the DerekHistorian case was merged to WCF based on Bbb23's comment that I think Hunan201p was correct in the first instance when he believed that DerekHistorian was a sock of WCF. The behavioral evidence is solid, and the technical dissimilarities are minor. This is all making me dizzy and perhaps it would be best if someone with access to CU logs could see if the case needs to be split. Thanks, Spicy (talk) 19:07, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've taken a look at the logs specifically for Vamlos, and at Thelordofsword - Spicy's hunch was correct, they are consistent with them being the same person (identical geolocation and ISP). Looking at the archive, it seems like there was always something of a question mark about whether Vamlos was actually WCF - certainly, the geolocation is very different from other WCF socks. Might be worth considering splitting the Vamlos-linked accounts out from this case into a separate one. Girth Summit (blether) 12:20, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Case split from Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/WorldCreaterFighter. Spicy (talk) 15:13, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks, GS. I've split this filing, and a few filings from the archive involving accounts that were confirmed to Vamlos, into a new case. I'm not confident that I've got all of them (when CUs in subsequent filings say "confirmed", it's not entirely clear who they're confirming to). I'm also not sure where DerekHistorian fits into all of this, so I've left them out. But hopefully this should help to reduce confusion in the future. Closing as the reported account is now blocked. Spicy (talk) 15:23, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

17 November 2022[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

Kazakh VPN IP admits to being WorldCreaterFighter:

Admission: And yes, I did make many mistakes in the past, but I want to overcome this.

The previous IP's edits at Ancient North Eurasian are very similar to recent edits at Indigenous peoples of Siberia made by another Kazakhstan IP, using a different VPN:

Turkish IP editor (but using the same Stark VPN as the first editor, 45.159.250.18, who admitted to being WCF), makes very similar edits:

Note that this IP editor shows an interest in the Bambara people,[47]. WorldCreaterFighter had a sockpuppet named BambaraKaya[48] and also showed the same interest in African ethnic groups like Fula people.

This same Turkish IP editor also removed content about East Asian mtDNA ancestry in Romanians, in a very similar manner as a recently confirmed WCF sock:


Finally, here are examples of the similarity of edit summaries between these IPs:

Applying WP:WIKIVOICE, there is no sense in mentioning multiple genetic WP:Primary papers without contextualizing

Trying to apply WP:WIKIVOICE, a secondary paper (Yang 2022)is probably better to be cited in the lead rather than a primary paper (Vallini 2022),

Adjusting my contribution according to WP:WIKIVOICE,

adjusting accordingly to WP:WIKIVOICE, removing original research and replacing it with actual quoting from the cited papers

I have listed WorldCreaterFighter as an sock in case a CheckUser analysis fails for Vamlos. I understand IPs checks are not standard, but in this case Austronesier has gotten one of the IPs to admit to being the sock, and the IPs are all VPNs with identical interests to WCF/Vamlos. Hunan201p (talk) 15:55, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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21 November 2022[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

User targets Afroasiatic language content to disinform similar to blocked Vamlos sock 195.208.178.74. Notably, this IP sock made a lot of reverts of User:WorldCreaterFighter sockpuppets in a potential example of WP:GHBH. On Ancient Semitic-speaking peoples page, between 13:44 and 13:47 on 16 September 2022, User:Eddiitt0 utilized a WorldCreaterFighter favorite paper (Hodgson et. al, also used by User:Azazmeh and User:WikiEdit2204 WCF socks) as a citation on a statement directly contradicted by the paper.
The statement:
"and say that the view that Proto-Semitic speaking groups in the Horn of Africa originated in Western Asia cannot be supported by archaeological, epigraphic and linguistic evidence."
The paper:
"We hypothesize that a population with substantial Ethio-Somali ancestry could be the proto-Afro-Asiatic speakers. A later migration of a subset of this population back to the Levant before 6 ka would account for a Levantine origin of the Semitic languages [18] and the relatively even distribution of around 7% Ethio-Somali ancestry in all sampled Levantine populations (Table S6). Later migration from Arabia into the HOA beginning around 3 ka would explain the origin of the Ethiosemitic languages at this time [18], the presence of greater Arabian and Eurasian ancestry in the Semitic speaking populations of the HOA (Table 2, S6), and ROLLOFF/ALDER estimates of admixture in HOA populations between 1–5 ka"
User was warned on talk page twice for original research on Ethiopian Semitic languages on 26 September 2022 and a revert on 1 October 2022. User was also warned for similar edits made on 17 September 2022, 26 September 2022, and a revert on 1 October 2022 on South Semitic languages page.
On 12 November 2022 on the Ancient Semitic-speaking peoples page user removed the Hodgson source along with a high-quality source by prominent Ethiopian studies scholar Donald N. Levine and replaced it with a book about the Origin of the Jews, which is not dedicated to the origin of Semitic languages in the Horn of Africa. He also used NPOV language for a topic without an academic consensus "many scholars now think" whereas the other theories cited say "some scholars."
Clumsiness of edits and diction also indicative of Vamlos sockpuppetry. Additionally, user has made contributions to Ancient North Eurasian which emphasize their mostly European origin:

This is very similar to recent edits from an IP editor who has admitted to being WCF/Vamlos:

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24 February 2023[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

This user can be linked to a Virgin Media UK IP, typical of the "United Kingdom" WCF socks, such as Vamlos, DerekHistorian, Shinoshijak, etc.

  • [58]: Golden Horde was formed in 1240's by Batu Khan, in todays Europe to Kazakhstan. While the Golden family was from Mongolia formed in 1180's to 1210 *[59]: What does a 2016 genetic study of Golden family (pre-1200) of Genghis Khan from Mongolia have anything to do with Golden Horde (1240-1502) in Europe?

The IP edits are identical to WCF, including a shared interest in Native American/Asian genetics, Ainu/Emishi culture, Hoabinhians (and their relation to Negritos), wartime sexual violence, etc:

  • "Asian" soldiers at Germany occupation rape article: [60] [61]
  • Negrito-related edits (keyword Hoabinhian):[62][63]

- Hunan201p (talk) 19:51, 24 February 2023 (UTC) Hunan201p (talk) 19:56, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Feb. 26 update: I am adding Queenplz to be checked, as I have always suspected they were related to this LTA, yet they always managed to evade the checkusers. Like Queenplz (and DerekHistorian), Gemmaso seems to harbor a mistaken assumption that this study supports a relation between its sample and the Ongud clan of medieval Mongolia: [67], [68][69] - Hunan201p (talk) 20:01, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

March 1st update: @Bbb23: could you or anyone else take a look at this? I have been running short on time this week.

Vamlos and Gemmaso identical edits at red hair:

TheBestTheBetter makes nearly identical edits regarding 2016 Mongolian DNA study, emphasizing that all remains are Mongoloid and the assumption of a possible Ongud origin:

Both users seem to have a high time preference, as seen in these agitated edit summaries, where they complain about time elapsed:

Gemmaso, like Vamlos is highly skeptical of Rashid al-Din's historical veracity regarding the Borjigin:

It is interesting to note that all of their edits at Golden Horde are also identical to DerekHistorian's, who is still linked to WorldCreaterFighter. They also share the same ALL CAPS and boldface editing style, poor English, lengthy commentary, and irritability. See this talk page discussion. - Hunan201p (talk) 13:07, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Hunan201p, make up your mind, you are everywhere. I invited you on article talk page and you ignored it. I asked for your opinion on talk page you ignored too, I replied to your warning in my talk page and you ignored it.

You opened a investigation and now opened a edit warring? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warringGemmaso (talk) 22:17, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nah, I'm someone else who is against Hunan201p bias edits. There is not a single edit in his Asia related topics that doesn't promote his bias western eurasian over East Eurasian. You Austronesier, you do nothing and just ignores it despite being a user from Asia.
Austronesier, check again. I never edited Mongoloid once in a wiki article. I was the one who edited East Asian physical type [80] , I even corrected Hunan201p spelling of " West Eurasian' [81]
As for genetic study. Please the 2016 genetic study terms only uses "Mongoloid" and "Caucasoid". Do you suggest Hunan201p should remove that genetic study because it keeps using?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5023095/
Press F3 result for "Mongoloid" 16x. The result for " Caucasoid" 14x. Type East Asian and you get only 1 result for mtDNA and other geographic result including South East Asia
QUOTES
"All physical anthropological parameters indicate that the skulls of the Tavan Tolgoi graves were all anthropologically Mongoloid"
"reveal genealogical admixture between Caucasoid and Mongoloid ethnic groups, despite a Mongoloid physical appearance. "
I can make 20-30 quotes like this. I'm thousand percent glad the study 2016 study that Hunan201p repeatedly mentions Mongoloid like 16 times, because what Hunan201p wants is to make every of his editing sound as western eurasian(caucasoid) as possible in EVERY article, his edits, always minimize every East Asian result as much as he can or if he can without looking biased, he does the same with Golden Horde. He doesn't want people to read the words he doesn't like and uses wikipedia rules went it benefits him but he breaks it himself when needed. LOOK AT OUR DISCCUSION in Talk:Red_hair, he uses original research or secondary language blog as a source to claim Odegei Khan red beard like is a authentic source. Gemmaso (talk) 23:48, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
As seen at WP:AN3, Gemmaso has now admitted that the above accusations are incorrect. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:19, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
AirshipJungleman29, I admit I was wrong some things with Hunan201p but definitely NOT WRONG ON red hair and Golden Horde. Even when I asked you about if I should add Ögedei Khan into as a historically figure confirmed with red hair (as part of the world real population with 1-2% red hair), you yourself say your not sure and is no expert on this.
As for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Horde#Genetics, both I and Hunan201p use the same 2016 study as source https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5023095/
This is Hunan201p original edit. No mention of the bodies anthropological or physical appearance, only say they were West Eurasian migrant R1b and East Asian female D4, it might aswell had made people think they were 50% west eurasian, 50% east eurasian. I though they looked something in-between East-West before I checked the sources at first feeling, but they all looked East Asian. You can be R1b and still be 90% East Eurasian (genetically or physically). Also the Author suggested it could be related to Genghis Khan female lineage but that wasn't included either.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Golden_Horde&diff=prev&oldid=1123339118
My current edit. As 100% Neutral as it can be. The 2018 study mention all their physical appearance and genetics, so the same can be for 2016 study. And the author suggested they could be related to clan product marriage but more likely related to Genghis Khan's female lineage not just his male lineage. You can read the 2016 study it at top, or read it in the Result section and Discussion section at the bottom. I established links in the page.
  • All physical anthropological parameters indicate that the skulls of the Tavan Tolgoi graves were all anthropologically Mongoloid
  • it seems most likely that the Tavan Tolgoi bodies are members of Genghis Khan’s Golden family, including the lineage of bekis, Genghis Khan’s female lineage, and their female successors
The only reason they are not included is either you didn't know, or they don't want to be nuetral, and want to manipulate the reading results.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Golden_Horde&diff=prev&oldid=1141871084Gemmaso (talk) 08:06, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This is not a content dispute, it's an SPI investigstion. - Hunan201p (talk) 00:34, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments[edit]

09 May 2023[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

This user has been editing logged out as the IP 77.103.186.178, as can be seen when the IP removed a post only for Bermandolaoro to repost it two minutes later.

Then, looking at the IP's contributions, we can see that the IP made four edits to Vamlos' sockpuppet investigation page. These were made from the POV of another sock Gemmaso, who was suppposed to be replying to me, but presumably forgot to login. Gemmaso was forced to edit the page to hide the IP's involvement. In this, they succeeded-the IP met with no comment.

This shows indisputably that Bermandolaoro and Gemmaso both edit logged-out as the IP 77.103.186.178, and as Gemmaso is a sock of Thelordofsword, Bermandolaoro must be too. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:26, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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I do not understand why I received the 77.103.186.178 IP address. I could careless though. Over 90% of the edits, have nothing to with me. Check carefully. All the edits before Febbruary are by someone else. The ones in May are all mine. Bermandolaoro (talk) 11:33, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments[edit]

Just noting that I've blocked based on behavioral evidence, but I'd like to see if a checkuser agrees. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:01, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

27 October 2023[edit]

Suspected sockpuppets[edit]

Earlier this year, Bermandolaoro was very occupied with the infobox caption at Genghis Khan - see for example Talk:Genghis Khan#Infobox caption. They were soon blocked as a sockpuppet of Vamlos

A Reddit thread created in early October focuses extensively on this dispute, and asks for "someone's Wikipedia account" or "help to bring down white supremacist" (me).

A couple of days ago, Sengoku-lord posts a comment which duplicates word-for-word that Reddit post. This shows that Sengoku-lord, the creator of the Reddit post, and Bermandolaoro, are almost certainly one and the same; if not, Sengoku-lord is a WP:MEATPUPPET from the Reddit thread. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:04, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Both editors add much content about Chinese men marrying or 'miscegenating' with African women:

Darbarosic appears to be a single purpose account judging by their edit history. -- Hunan201p (talk) 21:01, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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27 June 2024[edit]

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