Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Justin Collins (2nd nomination)

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The result was keep. I will also be performing the move for which there is consensus as part of this discussion. Barkeep49 (talk) 03:24, 31 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Justin Collins[edit]

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This is a bit complicated, so bear with me. I was creating a short article today in response to a requested article at the rugby union wiki project for a player called Justin Collins (rugby union). We already have an article at Justin Collins for a different rugby league player (for the uninitiated, rugby union and rugby league are similar in name and practice but are actually entirely separate sports).

After completing the article, I took a closer look at the rugby league article and noticed that several facts about the rugby union player seem to have been inserted into the rugby league article, such as the birth date, birth place and physical dimensions. There are several confusing similarities between these two subjects: they both have the same name, they are both Australian by birth (though the rugby union player moved to New Zealand when he was 10 and has been there ever since); they both play a similar sport. I believe this has led to facts about the rugby union player being inserted in the rugby league player article without the authors realising what they were doing, creating a very confusing situation.

When I tried to look for some other sources to try and untangle this mess and find the real information for the rugby league article, I couldn’t find any reliable sources relating to the rugby league player. If he’s played for Hull FC as the article says then he would be notable if that were verifiable, but since I can’t verify it he fails the WP:GNG. ElAhrairah ^{inspect damage}⁄_berate 20:00, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 20:02, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 20:02, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep but move to Steve Collins (rugby league) and add to the disambiguation page at Stephen Collins (disambiguation), removing the "See also" entry for him there. It looks as if he is better known by this name - see all the sources given. There are various sources which support him playing for Featherstone Indie article, Wakefield Express and for Hull FC an Alamy photo, "Collins try ends Giants' comeback". But there's obviously a horrible mess of confusion between Steve and Gus, with all profile pages giving the same date of birth for them both, such as union club site and league club site. Plenty of work to be done disentangling. PamD 21:18, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't realise that - lack of rugby league knowledge shining through. I agree with your suggestion. I'm inclined to believe the bio data relates to the rugby union player, the sources look solid. ElAhrairah ^{inspect damage}⁄_berate 07:15, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep but move. The rugby league player is clearly notable and clearly a different person from the rugby union player. It's also clear that he goes by the name Steve, so the page should be moved to Steve Collins (rugby league). --Mkativerata (talk) 10:08, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep but move to Steve Collins (rugby league). There was some confusion in my mind when I initiated Justin Collins article this time last year; as the rugby league player appears to be known as both Justin and Steve in the hullfc.com reference, but apparently nowhere else. The date/place of birth appeared reasonable, as Tasmania is an island state of Australia not New Zealand, and so it gave initial credence to the date/place of birth being for the Australian rugby league player rather than the New Zealand rugby union player, but it now seems more likely to be conflated. I think we can all agree that neither the rugby league player or the rugby union player are; Justin Lee Collins. Thanks to @Boleyn: for directing me here. DynamoDegsy (talk) 20:28, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for weighing in here. Very easy to get those two mixed up! I think the sources for the bio information of the rugby union player look pretty solid, so I've removed that information from the league article if that's ok. ElAhrairah ^{inspect damage}⁄_berate 17:44, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and move to Steve Collins (rugby league) as per all of the above. No Great Shaker (talk) 10:09, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and move to Steve Collins (rugby league).4meter4 (talk) 21:43, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.