Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Christian music

Request for input in discussion forum

Given the closely linked subjects of the various religion, mythology, and philosophy groups, it seems to me that we might benefit from having some sort of regular topical discussion forum to discuss the relevant content. I have put together the beginnings of an outline for such discussion at Wikipedia:WikiProject Religion/2011 meeting, and would very much appreciate the input of any interested editors. I am thinking that it might run over two months, the first of which would be to bring forward and discuss the current state of the content, and the second for perhaps some more focused discussion on what, if any, specific efforts might be taken in the near future. Any and all input is more than welcome. John Carter (talk)

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Goals

Hello,

I am really like to help you with translation in French of your articles for the French Christian community.

I am already translating the article about Plus One.

Blessing,
Laurent Franky-68

Acquired the Encyclopedia of Contemporary Chrsitian Music with CD

If anyone needs anything on an entry in this book, I'm available. A quick look has found it to be extensively researched with a wealth of useful information for pre-internet era contemporary Christian music - it also includes (most) chart positions on the CHR chart from 1978 to 2002. If there's a discography that needs references or work, let me know. I also have the AC Hot Hits book for citations, so this collectively is about 99% of the two major CCM charts. I and am actively looking the out-of-print CHR one if anyone has it and is willing to sell. Toa Nidhiki05 00:58, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

@Toa Nidhiki05: is the book Powell, Mark Allan (2002). Encyclopedia of Contemporary Christian Music. Peabody, Massachusetts: Hendrickson Publishers. ISBN 1-56563-679-1.? If so, I have it as well. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:14, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Yep, it’s that one. Toa Nidhiki05 13:03, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Sweet. Then <ref>{{cite book |last=Powell |first=Mark Allan |title=Encyclopedia of Contemporary Christian Music |publisher=Hendrickson Publishers |year=2002 |location=Peabody, Massachusetts |isbn=1-56563-679-1 |page=}}</ref> is how you add it. if it's used repeatedly, I use name="EofCCM" when adding it. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:45, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, even came with the CD and I was able to get the PDF untethered from the CD, so I have a searchable PDF file of the entire book. Gonna be invaluable in the future. I'm going to start fixing some artist discography pages - unfortunately we lack the Inspirational or Rock charts, which leaves some artists (like dc Talk with the Rock chart or Phillips, Craig & Dean with the Inspirational chart) shortchanged, but it's better than nothing and AC and CHR are and always have been the two major charts. Toa Nidhiki05 23:04, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Created new subsection for The CCM Update on the CCM Magazine page

Information can be found at the CCM Magazine page and others are welcome to add information as needed. The CCM Update published the primary CCM charts for over two decades; in chart history tables or in mentions, the charts should be attributed to The CCM Update, not CCM Magazine, for CCM charts after May 1983, when the publications split. This covers the AC, CHR, Inspirational, Rock, and Country charts. Toa Nidhiki05 01:21, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Steven Curtis Chapman discography/archive1

I've nominated Steven Curtis Chapman discography for featured article. Chapman is one of the most successful figures in CCM history and his discography is extensive, so this was a major undertaking; here's a link to the nomination if anyone is interesting in commenting on the nomination to resolve any details in what will hopefully be the first of many featured list discographies for legacy artists here. Toa Nidhiki05 01:41, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Some good news and some bad news

After extensive internet sleuthing, I’ve acquired a complete database of every single song to have charted on every chart published by CCM Magazine and The CCM Update from 1978 to 2001. This covers the four historically major charts (AC, CHR, Inspirational, and Rock) as well as the defunct Country, Southern Gospel, and Bluegrass (listed as “BG”, which is why I’m assuming its bluegrass) charts. After examining the entries they seem to line up completely with my own research on the topic (including chart frames that I know exist for the rock and CHR charts) as well as the information featured in Hot Hits, so I am confident this is a completely authoritative resource on the subject.

Now, the bad news - this is no located on a website. It’s a Microsoft Access file that I have since converted to an Excel file. I’m going to contact CCM Magazine and see if they’d be interested in starting a database on their website using the information - assuming that fails (which it likely will), I may purchase my own domain and republish this information, or just give the chart numbers to anyone who is interested. Toa Nidhiki05 19:51, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

The database would be a good resource. Let us know how the publisher approaches the discussion. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:09, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

I’ve sent them a message via their website. Hopefully I’ll hear back and be able to work something out. This is really invaluable stuff and I am hopeful they’ll be open to some kind of arrangement. Toa Nidhiki05 20:22, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Classic Christian Charts is under construction

Happy to announce I've started work on Classic Christian Charts, which will include the entire chart archive I've found. Here's a sample post of what this is going to look like - it has the entire AC chart history in web PDF and Excel form.

• Adult Contemporary (1978-2002)

I'll be getting a full domain name once I've finished the website. My goal for right now is to get all 8 major charts (Adult Contemporary, CHR, Inspirational, and Rock as well as County, Metal, Black Gospel, and Southern Gospel) uploaded. For now I would advise not citing to this, if it's even to be deemed reliable - although by my quick check of certain artists, it seems to be very accurate. I have not heard back from CCM Magazine about publishing this, unfortunately, so this website seems like the best way to try. Toa Nidhiki05 02:03, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

Just so you know I've not forgotten about this, I think I'm going to shift to an eBook model. I've started work on a Christian rock eBook similar to the Hot Hits book and hopefully can make ones for all of the charts, so the information can be easily found online. Toa Nidhiki05 02:14, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

The book is finished and should be published on Amazon through the Kindle store in the next few days. Nominal price is probably going to be $0.99-$2.99 for now and it will have an eBook and paperback option. I'll post a link here when it's up. Toa Nidhiki05 20:47, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Michael W. Smith discography nominated for featured article

I've nominated Michael W. Smith discography, a top-importance article under this project's purview, for featured list. For anyone interested, any and all comments are welcome. Toa Nidhiki05 00:02, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Christian rock chart book is out and is free for this week

My Christian rock chart book is now out and is free on the Kindle store until this Friday! It’s more bare-bones than Hot Hits or Powell’s encyclopedia but AFAIK it’s the only online-accessible full chart archive. Toa Nidhiki05 11:24, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Billboard has added several charts to their artist pages

Sample page for MercyMe. The Christian AC Songs chart is now listed along with Bubbling Under Hot 100 and Music Video Sales. This is a big deal for Christian discography pages! Toa Nidhiki05 13:22, 7 August 2019 (UTC)