Commons:Deletion requests/File:SR Montenegro coa.png
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This deletion discussion is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. You can read the deletion policy or ask a question at the Village pump. If the circumstances surrounding this file have changed in a notable manner, you may re-nominate this file or ask for it to be undeleted.
"Made by a friend, especially for Wikipedia". No evidence of permission for the free usage. Eleassar (t/p) 09:31, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
Keep - that is quoting the original uploader from 2005. Why the sudden interest in 2012 is beyond me but either way this image is due to Yugoslav laws ineligible for copyright (just like anyone can print laws and no one can hold copyright on those prints) so it's all quite irrelevant.--Avala (talk) 17:22, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
- As visible from the file history, the current file is a derivative of the 2005 file and as such non-free for Commons. See also COM:Coats of arms. --Eleassar (t/p) 21:36, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
- What part of "ineligible for copyright" don't you understand? It CAN'T be copyrighted because it is legally excluded from being so. Fry1989 eh? 21:46, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
- Where do you see this text in the file description page? PD-Yugoslavia lists some copyright sentence from the Croatian act, but the link to verify it is dead and what does it have to do with a coat-of-arms created (drawn) in Slovenia in the 2000s in any case? --Eleassar (t/p) 21:49, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
- This arms isn't from the 2000s it's from 1974, Yugoslav copyright applies, and the successor state of Montenegro's PD-MNEGov says "Official materials of state authorities or materials published by any other person or institution which do public function.", which holds the current coat of arms as ineligible for copyright and thus any past coats of arms of Montenegro as well. Fry1989 eh? 21:56, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
- This coat of arms is from the 2000s, originates from Slovenia. It was not just copied from some official publication, it was drawn anew after a model by a friend of the uploader. --Eleassar (t/p) 21:58, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
- Derivative of 1970s drawings. This is all PD under the law. Fry1989 eh? 22:09, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
- What law? Obviously, as the coat of arms was drawn in Slovenia, the Montenegro law does not apply to it. --Eleassar (t/p) 22:13, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
- What laws do you think? The ones I've been talking about the whole time, the Yugoslav copyright law, and the laws of the successor states. It doesn't matter which of the successor states this was drawn in, it's a derivative of a version that is ineligible for copyright under the law. Fry1989 eh? 22:43, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
- Per COM:Coats of arms: "CoA found on Commons may be (1) reproductions of PD-old artworks, (2) recent artwork with a clear "free" licence, (3) self-made reproductions. The rest should be deleted (and eventually will be)." This is not a reproduction and has no clear free license. --Eleassar (t/p) 23:03, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
- It has plenty of obvious evidence that it's PD. The laws say so, but even more ironically is your initial quote when you first nominated the file: "Made by a friend, especially for Wikipedia". That makes it very clear that whoever drew it, did so releasing their file for Wikipedia. They gave up any rights to it. You have absolutely nothing on this file. Fry1989 eh? 23:35, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
- What law? Obviously, as the coat of arms was drawn in Slovenia, the Montenegro law does not apply to it. --Eleassar (t/p) 22:13, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
- Derivative of 1970s drawings. This is all PD under the law. Fry1989 eh? 22:09, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
- This coat of arms is from the 2000s, originates from Slovenia. It was not just copied from some official publication, it was drawn anew after a model by a friend of the uploader. --Eleassar (t/p) 21:58, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
- This arms isn't from the 2000s it's from 1974, Yugoslav copyright applies, and the successor state of Montenegro's PD-MNEGov says "Official materials of state authorities or materials published by any other person or institution which do public function.", which holds the current coat of arms as ineligible for copyright and thus any past coats of arms of Montenegro as well. Fry1989 eh? 21:56, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
- Where do you see this text in the file description page? PD-Yugoslavia lists some copyright sentence from the Croatian act, but the link to verify it is dead and what does it have to do with a coat-of-arms created (drawn) in Slovenia in the 2000s in any case? --Eleassar (t/p) 21:49, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
- What part of "ineligible for copyright" don't you understand? It CAN'T be copyrighted because it is legally excluded from being so. Fry1989 eh? 21:46, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
- As visible from the file history, the current file is a derivative of the 2005 file and as such non-free for Commons. See also COM:Coats of arms. --Eleassar (t/p) 21:36, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
Kept: You are both right and both wrong. The blazon (formal description) of a COA typically does not have a copyright, but our policy is that each representation of a COA has its own copyright which belongs to the artist who drew it. Thus the issue is not whether Yugoslav or Slovenian law applies, but what law applies to the drawing itself. Since it was apparently made for WMF projects, it seems to me we can keep it. . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 12:12, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
