Commons:Deletion requests/Nonsense Portuguese and Union maps

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Nonsense Portuguese and Union maps

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Portuguese Empire maps:

Portuguese Empire (identified):

Iberian Union maps:

Reasons

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These maps of the Portuguese Empire and the Spanish-Poruguese Union of the 16th and 17th centuries are all nonsense duplicates which should be deleted! Use recomended maps of this nature which have been checked for accuracy.

In the case of each situation use the following (NOT FOR DELETION):

Please understand the reasons for this mass deletion request and follow the advice above. For some pages it is morte appropriated to have an 'identified' map such as File:The Portuguese Empire.png while others require a non-identified version such as File:Portugal Império total.png! Maps & Lucy (talk) 01:57, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

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We are heavily using this map: File:Descobrimentos e explorações portuguesesV2.png in Wiki-pt, and have no replacement for it. Why do you say it is nonsense?-- Darwin Ahoy! 15:11, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

 Keep This map: File:The Portuguese Empire.png has errors, such as saying that Madeira was "discovered" in 1419, something that has been widely discredited for decades, while this one: File:Descobrimentos e explorações portuguesesV2.png seems to be more accurate. Why should we replace that map with a worst version? And why should we replace a map with the names in Portuguese with an English version, specially when teh subject is our own Empire?-- Darwin Ahoy! 15:15, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ok to some of the delections but in section 2, I agree with Darwin. In my opinion both the File:Descobrimentos e explorações portuguesesV2.png (which is a relevant Portuguese version and useful to see the evolution of the empire along the discoveries/explorations) and the File:The Portuguese Empire.png, which is considered incomplete, but illustrates the main fortresses/basis supporting the empire - both these files should be kept.--Uxbona (talk) 22:32, 19 March 2010 (UTC)(corrected 2nd map link , this is the one I intend to keep)[reply]

I propose that votes should be made individually on each map. The Ogre (talk) 16:30, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The files File:The Portuguese Empire.png and File:Iberian Union Empires.png are NOT proposed for deletion. If File:Descobrimentos e explorações portuguesesV2.png is used and there are no substitutes is must NOT be deleted. It should be corrected, however. The Ogre (talk) 16:32, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Please inform exactly what should be corrected The Ogre, so that I (or other) can proceed to correct it. It was developed over king João III empire map, with data from referenced chronologies (Diffie, etc), and although many dates are subject to uncertainties, tried to reach a good compromise (I should include Tristan da Cunha island in pt version). As it was marked for delection as nonsense, and a correction demanded from you, it would be of great help to locate the errors. Thanks.--Uxbona (talk) 22:04, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
As I wrote before the map should be corrected because it shows possessions when the map supposedly depict discoveries. In case of depicting possesions must be corrected according to sources as this one [1] By 1600, when the Portuguese Empire (apart from Brazil) remained no more than a string of forts and islands running from West Africa to Macau or this one [2] A contrast is commonly made between an empire of settlement in the Atlantic - the islands and Brazil - and an empire of trade in the Indian Ocean and the Far East. Indeed the Estado da India has even been represented as being in essence little more than a network of trade routes. So it may be appropiate to recall the exent of Portugal's territorial empire in the East and how the Portuguese envisaged its expansion and development. Trasamundo (talk) 22:26, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Trasamundo, it was intended to depict explorations/discoveries along with possessions (during João III de Portugal's reign, circa 1536/43): both are related, the former being the consequence of first. If the map File:Portugal 1521-1557.gif is correct - and it is widely used - I assume that you do not refer to Brazilian possessions (captaincies established in 1535-36, with limit in Tordesillas line) but to the green stripes along African coasts. If those are represented thiner, like in imperio total map, would that be acceptable to you? Is the imperio total map with its thin, almost imperceptible, coastal lines the model? (this map loses in efficacy and clarity while committing so much to exactitude, but that's my opinion). Thanks.--Uxbona (talk) 18:36, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Response here or here Trasamundo (talk) 20:44, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Trasamundo, I updated both maps, still those can be questionable by you: left explanation/arguing to your exposition in both maps' discussion page.--Uxbona (talk) 12:17, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Keep Find it helpful to understand the reach of the Empire, however not as the only resource of course. Different graphic styles and content included help reveal a broader comprehension + understanding. Please keep this one in the map choices.---72.67.215.48 01:01, 9 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted the files that were not in use and kept the ones that were still in use per discussion above. Maps & Lucy (talk) 00:12, 15 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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