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Has Keith Chegwin been stealing comedians' jokes on Twitter?

The standup community's displeasure at Cheggers recycling gags online shows how comedy's rulebook has changed

Keith Chegwin
No laughing matter ... Keith Chegwin has upset standups by tweeting their jokes. Photograph: David Fisher/Rex Features

Oh, Cheggers. His career has taken some pretty unlikely turns (if not hairpin bends) over the years, from acting for Roman Polanski in 1971's Macbeth to acting as stooge to DJ Mike Read in The Saturday Superstore. He followed that with a stint as presenter of Britain's first all-nude quiz show, and even played himself as a rabid anti-semite in Ricky Gervais's Extras. Now he has been cast in yet another unlikely role – as an unapologetic gag thief.

Like far too many stories at the moment, this all started on Twitter. Chegwin decided to use his account, where he has more than 36,000 followers (no, me neither), to broadcast a whole load of gags and one-liners. He claimed that these were either his own work, or traditional gags minted by long-dead comics.

Unfortunately, they weren't. Among the gags retold by the one-time player of pop were identifiable jokes written by a number of contemporary standup stars, including Milton Jones, Lee Mack and Jimmy Carr. And what Cheggers presumably envisaged as a warm-hearted bit of fun has stirred up a sizeable amount of bad feeling within the comedy community. One comedian, Ed Byrne, even took Chegwin to task on Twitter, telling him he was wrong not to credit "working comics" for the jokes he was using.

Now, you could be forgiven for reflexively assuming that the standups are being a little bit precious about this (and that's the line Chegwin has taken, telling his followers with apparent glee that he's managed to upset the "ususal [sic] bunch of jealous comics"). And to be fair, a lot of people have a bit of a blind spot when it comes to the concept of intellectual property. But it surely can't be that hard to grasp the principle that whether you're in a building site, an office or browsing on the internet, finding out that someone is passing off your hard work as their own is not exactly on – especially if you're working freelance, as pretty much every comic is.

Interestingly, though, Chegwin's attitude wouldn't have been out of place in the pre-alternative comedy era. Comics who played the working men's clubs and the music halls will tell you that there wasn't the same importance placed on safeguarding your own material. In fact, acts would feel free to draw on gags they'd picked up from other people and incorporate them into their own repertoire without too many recriminations afterwards – although Bernard Manning's oft-repeated put-down of another comic (again, a gag rebroadcast by Chegwin) that he "doesn't tell jokes; he refreshes the memory" suggests that there were limits even then.

The idea that a comedian had outright ownership of his material seems to have taken root in this country once Manning et al gave way to the Ben Elton generation. For the original alternative comedians, simple gag-telling was far less important than presenting a fully-formed original perspective on the world. And if you were trying to offer an audience something distinctive (with all the added hard work that involves) then it became crucial to ensure that your gags were wholly your own.

In recent years, the main victims of plagiarism in standup have been those comics who rely heavily on one-liners and quickfire jokes. For gag thieves, these present the perfect opportunistic crime: they're easy to lift and contain fewer hallmarks of the originator's personality. In 2004, Jimmy Carr threatened to sue Jim Davidson for copying a routine the Channel 4 star believed was his, while the American gagsmith Emo Philips (who I recently interviewed for the Guardian) has fought a never-ending battle against those who cheerfully rip off his work without credit. Philips is currently on the case of Daniele Luttazzi, who used a string of plagiarised jokes as the basis for a successful career in Italy.

Philips has also had his jokes passed on by chain emails, often wrongly attributed to the likes of Peter Kay or John Cleese. And now the Twitter phenomenon has opened up another frontier in online joke theft. You can see why those who tweet standups' jokes might see this as not so different from retelling them to their mates in the pub. But you can surely also sympathise with those comics who are seeing their work transmitted with no attribution on one of the world's largest-growing social networks.

One word of caution, though: coincidence. Comics do come up with similar jokes from time to time, where there's an observable logical absurdity that's struck more than one performer, or a lateral step that more than one act has innocently taken. But that doesn't seem to be what's happened with Cheggers. He looks to have adopted a bunker mentality, refusing to accept criticism online and blocking comics such as Byrne and Simon Evans from his Twitter account. He should count himself lucky that they've been relatively civil, restricting their complaints to 140 characters. When the US comic Joe Rogan felt fellow standup Carlos Mencia was stealing his gags, he gatecrashed a gig and confronted him onstage. At least Chegwin has been spared such public humiliation – hosting Naked Jungle probably gave him enough of that to last a lifetime.


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  • ian64 ian64

    22 Jul 2010, 1:30PM

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  • JonnyB JonnyB

    22 Jul 2010, 2:01PM

    Probably worth adding that the 'Ben Elton generation' (argh! Is that what they're known as?) also saw a general shift to comics pretty well exclusively writing their own material rather than using third-party writers. So only natural that you'd feel a bit more strongly about having your routine pilfered.

  • DickTurnip DickTurnip

    22 Jul 2010, 2:21PM

    I'm surprised he hasn't been given more acting work after his hilarious contribution to Extras. Maybe he should be given his own radio show where he plays his own favourite music constantly, he could call it CHEGGERS PLAYS PAP.

    Cheggered (noun) to have ones ideas/material ripped off by another less talented individual.

  • JimBob78 JimBob78

    22 Jul 2010, 2:22PM

    Russell Brand seems to get away with it eg. nicking the "heroin is very moreish" line off Harry Hill.

    He also uses a line from Lee and Herring rountine in his new film. Though in his podcast Herring does point out as this article does that comedians can come up with similar jokes. The heroin is very moreish line was also used in Peep Show and I wouldn't dream of accusing Armstorng and Bain of being writers who would need to do this. In this case I would give Brand a pass too.

  • hessexham hessexham

    22 Jul 2010, 2:53PM

    After a gig in the late 80s, I told a stand-up whose name I can't remember that his joke about dogs barking had been done by someone else. The always legendary John Hegley was there and quietly pointed out that was the worst thing I could accuse a comic of. I have no excuse, but to plagiarise The Fast Show, I'm afraid I was very very drunk.

  • GuidedByVeal GuidedByVeal

    22 Jul 2010, 3:07PM

    Seem to recall Stewart Lee commenting on the Jim Davidson/Jimmy Carr case, saying something akin to, 'If Jim Davidson is starting to use your material, it's probably time you thought about writing something else'.

  • ian64 ian64

    22 Jul 2010, 3:10PM

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  • WoWaddict WoWaddict

    22 Jul 2010, 3:13PM

    I find it interesting to read the list of comics who are complaining, since I don't happen to find any of them particularly funny.

    A really good standup realises that the true skill is in the performance, not the material. Besides which they should be constantly refreshing their material anyway, so once they've used a joke a few times it's stale anyway so who cares if some lesser comic picks it up? In fact it could be considered a form of viral marketing!

  • RegLaCrisp RegLaCrisp

    22 Jul 2010, 3:33PM

    I thought of Leary and Hicks too..... although at least Hicks had died when I heard about it.

    I also thought of Al Jolson. Apparently he used to go and listen to other shows, pinch their lines, use them once or twice (so he'd been seen and heard using them), and then get his lawyers to write cease and desist letters to the originators for stealing HIS lines. He had enough money and clout to get away with it, so there you go Cheggers - that's how it's done!

    Oh, and 36,000 followers?????????? WTF? What is the matter with people?

  • lkearse lkearse

    22 Jul 2010, 3:37PM

    A really good standup realises that the true skill is in the performance, not the material.

    The stand up circuit is rammed with failed actors, each brimming with confidence, immaculate delivery and projection, but with zero jokes. Material isn't everything, but there's no replacement.

  • BertiePink BertiePink

    22 Jul 2010, 3:40PM

    I was involved in another incident involving Cheggars, stand-up comedians and censorship. In the mid-90's I attended a stand-up gig at Keele University. A stand-up there (I've long forgotten his name) started doing a routine about Cheggar's alcoholism. At that point a woman in the audience stood up and demanded that the comedian stopped this routine as Cheggars was her Uncle (I think she was Janice Long's daughter!) and this episode had caused her family a lot of distress. The comedian said he'd put it to the audience and the consensus was that he should carry on – which he did!!!! It was a pretty funny routine too – one that I doubt Cheggars is going to steal!!

  • scotsboi scotsboi

    22 Jul 2010, 4:02PM

    I think its disgusting that he blatantly stole someone else's work and tried to pass it off as his own. What a charlatan! I hope he is totally ashamed.

    Chegwin, should go and work in LIDL. That is his level.

    However, maybe Stewart Lee on Jo Pasqualue might shed some light here....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YE9Kthyaco&feature=related

    which in itself made me think of Al Jolson. Apparently he used to go and listen to other shows, pinch their lines.

    Its never right to steal someone else's hard work! Those poor comedians who work sooooo hard.

    Anyway, it took me ages to think of content for this post. I need a drink.

  • Benulek Benulek

    22 Jul 2010, 4:22PM

    The best thing about the Hicks/Leary contretemps is the marvellous put-down it gave rise to, which you could never imagine Leary having the wit to think up:

    "I have a scoop for you. I stole his [Leary's] act. I camouflaged it with punchlines, and, to really throw people off, I did it before he did.

  • Toadjuggler Toadjuggler

    22 Jul 2010, 4:27PM

    I see Chegwin in my local Tesco every three or four weeks. He always acts as though he's expecting to be recognised and stopped for banter and autographs. Never happens.

    I also see a BBC news sport reporter (can't remember/never knew his name, sport is for the retarded so I never pay attention) under similar circumstances. He's always being harassed for a bit of an autograph and I keep hoping, schadenfreude being a hobby of mine, that Chegwin will witness it one day.

  • Benulek Benulek

    22 Jul 2010, 4:29PM

    I see Chegwin in my local Tesco every three or four weeks. He always acts as though he's expecting to be recognised and stopped for banter and autographs. Never happens.

    How exactly does that manifest itself? How can you tell that someone is acting as if they're expecting to be recognised?

  • doozler doozler

    22 Jul 2010, 4:36PM

    Interesting.

    ian64, why are you be so hurtful towards a recovering alcoholic who has hardly been on our screens in twenty years?

    Maybe it's you who has a problem. Huh? Aldi man.

  • Toadjuggler Toadjuggler

    22 Jul 2010, 4:54PM

    @Benulek,

    How can you tell that someone is acting as if they're expecting to be recognised?

    you know how people act in restaurants when they want a waiter? Like that, only to strangers not carrying menus and in a supermarket.

  • funky1uk funky1uk

    22 Jul 2010, 4:57PM

    Leave Keith the hell alone, we all tell jokes and jokes get spread by email and 99% of those dont put oh originally by whomever.
    What is this world coming to? Half of the jokes from the so called Stand ups are nicked from other comedians and just changed to suit themselves.
    I get emails just about everyday with jokes in and there's no mention of the comedians that "made them up" shall we say.
    There are worse things going on in this world to worry about, if Cheggars wants to make people laugh then more power to him and no I dont want him telling me who's jokes they are cos frankly I dont care!

  • tractorbuoy tractorbuoy

    22 Jul 2010, 5:19PM

    What is this world coming to? Half of the jokes from the so called Stand ups are nicked from other comedians and just changed to suit themselves.
    I get emails just about everyday with jokes in and there's no mention of the comedians that "made them up" shall we say.
    There are worse things going on in this world to worry about, if Cheggars wants to make people laugh then more power to him and no I dont want him telling me who's jokes they are cos frankly I dont care!

    That's a big accusation funky1uk, I work on the comedy circuit and can assure you that if an act was passing off other people's material as their own they wouldn't last long as they'd rapidly become unbookable, joke theft is seen as a no-no these days.

    Yes, there are worse things to worry about, but you could equally say that to someone who's house has been burgled although it probably wouldn't be off much comfort to them.

    You may not care about who's jokes they are but the writer of the joke probably feels differently, if I stole a lot of money and then gave it out to my twitter followers it would probably make their day but it wouldn't make me any less of a thief.

    If you want to make a judgement on whether my jokes are worth stealing feel free to have a look http://www.twitter.com/TonyCowards

  • mpusa mpusa

    22 Jul 2010, 5:31PM

    keith Chegwin's brilliant and never been afraid to have people laugh at him. Loved it when he was on the Big Breakfast and, yep, I have read his biography too... really inspiring story about bouncing back from alcoholism.

    I'd certainly follow him on Twitter if Twitter wasn't such a joke in itself.

  • superfurryandy superfurryandy

    22 Jul 2010, 5:38PM

    Heh, I see the Cheggers (Chegovians? Cheggoids?) fans are starting to join in order to defend their idol - wonder if they'll make any other posts? One thing, chaps, in order to comment on a subject you really should know something about it - I'm looking at you, funky1uk, if indeed that is your name.

  • funky1uk funky1uk

    22 Jul 2010, 5:43PM

    Now now hold on Tractorbuoy lets compare like for like we are talking about jokes here.
    Things happen everyday that are funny so if a comedian notices something funny and makes a joke out of it nobody else that notices the same thing and comes up with a similar joke can pass it off as their own.
    Come off it, since when have jokes become a comodity! Has the comedy world gone mad. If you read Keiths tweets he doesn't actually say they are his jokes he tells them in a way that would imply they were his, isn't that the way to tell a good joke.
    I am just amazed at the uproar all these comedians picking on Keith, he is a nice guy and he makes people laugh so as I said more power to him.
    I had a quick look at your page and very funny they are, yes I would tell them but I wouldn't expect to be accused of stealing, you comedians can still go out and tell the joke and get paid for your shows, it wont stop people coming to see you. Just lighten up you guys.
    Its very school playgroundish, where Mr Byrne decides he dont like it and he gets all the other funny men to pick on Keith and then we get articles like this having little digs. I could call this bullying if youcall what he does stealing.
    Anyway keep up the good work tractorbuoy :-) Peace out.

  • skylarking skylarking

    22 Jul 2010, 5:54PM

    Russell Brand seems to get away with it eg. nicking the "heroin is very moreish" line off Harry Hill.

    He also uses a line from Lee and Herring rountine in his new film. Though in his podcast Herring does point out as this article does that comedians can come up with similar jokes. The heroin is very moreish line was also used in Peep Show and I wouldn't dream of accusing Armstorng and Bain of being writers who would need to do this. In this case I would give Brand a pass too.

    The Peep Show line was "That crack was very moreish"

    I too wondered who came up with this line first. Maybe Armstrong and Bain changed it from heroin to crack to avoid accusations of plagiarism? Or was Harry Hill the joke thief?

  • TokenGesture TokenGesture

    22 Jul 2010, 6:03PM

    "that [drug of choice] was very moreish"

    That demonstrates the inherent problem in trying to "own" a one liner.

    Different of course if you are palming off entire routines.

    The problem Cheggars has his that he is building a following on the back of the work of others without crediting them despite many of them being themselves on twitter, which is different to you or me telling a gag we heard down the pub, and has riled the "scene"

  • skylarking skylarking

    22 Jul 2010, 6:03PM

    So does tweeting or whatever the fuck they call it constitute publishing or broadcasting? If he releases a DVD of him passing off other people's material as his own, then fair enough. Why do comedians have to have a go at someone who just typed something on twitter? How does it affect their lives? Does Chegwin get paid for posting on twitter?

  • JonnyB JonnyB

    22 Jul 2010, 6:15PM

    So does tweeting or whatever the fuck they call it constitute publishing or broadcasting? If he releases a DVD of him passing off other people's material as his own, then fair enough. Why do comedians have to have a go at someone who just typed something on twitter? How does it affect their lives? Does Chegwin get paid for posting on twitter?

    a) yes, it constitutes publishing. By any definition. Try libelling somebody on Twitter and see what happens.

    b) because I imagine they think that he has not 'just typed something,' but that he has been systematically using other peoples' work, through which they earn their living.

    c) Yes he does, indirectly. By keeping his profile up it thefore maintains his earning capacity. You may pretend that you don't know that it is, certainly, called 'tweeting' - but you can't tell me that you haven't noticed that it's quite important in the meeja sphere, innit?

    Actually I've nothing against Keith Chegwin. I quite liked him in the Plays Pop thing and haven't really seen him since. So I won't join in the 'he is rubbish' comments - but it's a fairly open and shut case, as far as I can see.

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