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Eponyms again

Please see Category talk:Eponyms of Balthazar Preiss. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:23, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

And Category talk:Eponyms of Keith Edgard Roe. Why do these issues keep arsing? (@MILEPRI: re this edit.) Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:21, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

I have indeed made a mistake. I have confused the author. Thanks for the warning.. MILEPRI (talk) 21:44, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Astrolepis/Asterolepis Eichwald, 1840

There is a discussion on Taxacom over which of these names (for which we apparently have as yet no entry under either spelling; though we have the parent taxon Asterolepidae with a red link for Asterolepis) for fossil fishes is correct.

It will be interesting to see the outcome, and to consider how we reflect the matter on Wikispecies.

Note that we have Astrolepis Benham & Windham, (1992; Plantae) and Asterolepis Meyrick, 1910 (Lepidoptera), but neither relate to Eichwald, 1840. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:44, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

As per the cited Taxacom discussion, R. Van der Laan, "Family-group names of fossil fishes", 2018 https://doi.org/10.5852/ejt.2018.466 uses Order Asterolepidiformes, Family Asterolepididae Traquair 1888, "name and spelling in prevailing recent practice", and genus Asterolepis Eichwald 1840, which makes Asterolepis Eichwald 1840 a corrected original spelling cf. the original publication in Bulletin Scientifique publié par l'Académie Impériale des Sciences de Saint-Petersbourg in which it is spelled Astrolepis (there is a separate, slightly later work published in as Neues Jahrbuch für Mineralogie, Geognosie, Geologie und Petrefakten-Kund. 1840: 421-430 in which the "Asterolepis" spelling is used, but this is irrelevant for nomenclatural purposes). My just updated record for this name, which follows Van der Laan in this respect, in IRMNG is at https://www.irmng.org/aphia.php?p=taxdetails&id=11936170 if you wish to take a look. This would make Asterolepis Meyrick, 1910 (Lepidoptera) a junior homonym, something that is apparently unaddressed in the Lepidoptera world at this time. Tony 1212 (talk) 18:40, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Monkey business...

We currently have two similarly named pages Chiropotes utahicki and Chiropotes utahickae. Any mammalogist here who knows which one should have precedence? –Tommy Kronkvist (talk), 21:45, 7 May 2024 (UTC).

The original description is of Chiropotes satanas utahicki BHL, in honour of "Fräulein Uta Hick" BHL; -i is typically a Latin masculine (2nd declension) genitive, while -ae is a feminine (1st declension) genitive; however, while her Christian name is a female name, there is nothing intrinsically female about Hick (unlike, say an -ova surname), so I wouldn't have thought a correction would be necessary; that said, there is Pristimantis gretathunbergae, Nannaria swiftae, and Gibberula goodallae. For what it's worth, utahickae is an "unjustified emendation" here, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 22:30, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Per p. 554 of [1], "Names of women, whether surnames or given names, are handled in First Declension" (i.e. -ae), but is this canonical? Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 22:45, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Article 31.1 of the code, on personal names (i.e. of persons, not first names), says -ae, unless the name has been Latinized, so I guess you could argue Hick has been Latinized to Hickus→i..., Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 23:03, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

See Terra Garbino & Costa, 2015. Some nomenclatural notes regarding authorship and dates of New World monkeys (Primates: Platyrrhini). Sherbornia 2(3) 21–27. Chiropotes utahickae is considered the emended name. It is the correct one according to the Code. It is also argued in this paper that it is better to retain and use the original name: Chiropotes utahicki. Mariusm (talk) 08:20, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

David T. Jones

We have two people by this name:

• David T. Jones (1900-), botanist
• Author of {{Jones, 2013a}}; of the Soil Biodiversity Group (and, in 2001, the Termite Research Group), The Natural History Museum, London - no article yet.

How should they be disambiguated? Can anyone supply the "T." names, or other details? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:48, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

The former might or might be this one. --Matthiasb (talk) 23:43, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you; I shall investigate further. He may also be [2], of the South Florida Natural Resources Center, Everglades National Park, who also wrote about Rutaceae. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:52, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

The LOC catalogue says that David T. Jones was born in 1952. Given that the paper we have for David T. Jones has him working at a university in 1988, I'm inclined to think that date more plausible, and the 1900 might be an error. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:44, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing: There could be a third David T. Jones: AlgaeBase has an alga species authored by "D.T.Jones" in 1944: https://www.algaebase.org/search/species/detail/?species_id=82728 Noting that the IPNI record for the "1900-" David T. Jones [3] has his Area of Interest given as Algae, but Rutaceae is a family of land plants. Monster Iestyn (talk) 22:40, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Seems plausible. The "Berkeley Algal list" ([4]) gives:

• Chlamydomonas vorhiesii ('vorhiesi') D.T. Jones, Protozoa in Great Salt Lake, 1945
• Euglena chamberlinii_('chamberlini') D.T. Jones, Bull. Univ. Utah 35(8): 5, plI fig 7, 1944
• Euglena chamberlinii_('chammerlini') D.T. Jones Bull. Univ. Utah 35(8)[=Biol. 8(4)]: 5, pl. I: fig. 7. 1944.

-- Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:42, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

There was a David Tracy Jones who worked with RV Chamberlin at the University of Utah. Born 1900:[5][6] Quasi-grip (talk) 15:55, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

That must be the same guy. Thank you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:25, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

The latter is now, for want of a better title, at David T. Jones (fl. 2007). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:52, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. An alternative might be "David T. Jones [2]", etc. but that can get messy (especially if not all information is to hand), also is less informative. Tony 1212 (talk) 18:23, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Update

I have now split the former's details into two new pages, and made it disambiguation page, so we now have:

• David T. Jones - disambiguation page
• David T. Jones (1900-) David Tracy Jones, protozoist
• David Thomas Jones, (1952-), botanist
• David T. Jones (fl. 2007), entomologist

The question now is can we get IPNI to resolve their conflation and tell us to which person their standard form "D.T.Jones" refers? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:06, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing That looks fine to me. Will there be an equivalent representation on Wikidata at some point (I am neither sure of the ramifications or the required actions in these cases, but I am guessing that you would be...) Tony 1212 (talk) 18:25, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Already done; but the same IPNI issue needs to be fixed there also, when we have the answer. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:52, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Updated again, with David Tracy Jones. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:26, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

If you have suitable evidence that two people are indeed being conflated, you can email IPNI about their record by the "Contact us about this record" link, though also see https://www.ipni.org/contact. That being said, I just emailed them recently myself about another record, and an automatic message I got from them says:

"Due to other responsibilities, response to IPNI Feedback will be significantly reduced until after the International Botanical Congress (end July). We greatly appreciate your feedback and expect to return to normal response rates in August."

So just be warned. (Though someone later responded to my email anyway.) Monster Iestyn (talk) 20:56, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

I wrote to IPNI this afternoon and have had a reply already - not bad for a bank holiday Sunday! I have updated our pages and Wikidata accordingly, and will do so again when IPNI complete their updates in the next day or two. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:41, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

I think that this discussion is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, don't hesitate to replace this template with your comment. Updates all done. Thanks, everyone. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:18, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

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New properties proposal in Wikidata

Hello, I remember @Faendalimas: comments there that makes me thinks that Wikispecies users may have interesting points of view, or ideas, regarding how is treated synonymy in Wikidata. There are a set of properties proposal that will allow to indicate if an item is "just" a synonym, or/and a protonym, ect.. See taxon synonym of, protonym of, basionym of and replaced synonym of. Christian Ferrer (talk) 04:54, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

New genus and species of Rubiaceae in Spain

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/tax.13181

- MPF (talk) 00:51, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Charles A. Ely

Hello, we have a Charles Adelbert Ely an ornithologist said to be born in 1933, this is confirmed by this page [7], where it is also said that he is the author of "Shallow-water Asteroidea and Ophiuroidea of Hawaii". However this article is from 1942 [8] and he can't be the author as he was too young. Another article from 1944 authored by the echinodermologist is listed in Jstor [9], in the preview we can read "Charles A. Ely, University of Wisconsin". Every where in the web all is like if there was only one Charles A. Ely, so I can't find infos about the echinodermologist. I'm going to create a secong page here for the echinodermologist as to me it seems obvious that he is not the same author, excepted if the date of birth of the ornithologist is wrong. If anyone has comments or information on one of the two authors, they are most welcome. Thanks you, Christian Ferrer (talk) 18:16, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

The article is a thesis for a Master of Science [10] and the author seems to have been born in 1913 [11].I found a Charles Aubrey Ely born that year but didn't check further than that. Quasi-grip (talk) 19:59, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Great, thanks you, when he published that thesis he was affiliated to the University of Hawaii, and I found a newspaper article [12], from 19 September 1938, saying that Charles A. Ely joined the staff of department of Zoology of the University of Hawaii in 1938, and that he was also graduate of the Washington and Jefferson University. Christian Ferrer (talk) 20:57, 27 May 2024 (UTC)