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Le Concert Spirituel

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... that Le Concert Spirituel, an ensemble focused on French sacred music and opera in historically informed performance, played Handel's open-air music at The Proms with 18 oboes and a band to match? Source: several, for main fact this review

Reviewed: Hebrides Terrace Seamount
Comment: The article had a crazy history, developed independently by two users here, and one there, and merged. Users listed in chronological order.

Created by LouisAlain (talk), Gerda Arendt (talk), and Mccapra (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 11:07, 21 February 2020 (UTC).

Reviewing... Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:25, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
Expanded 5x, I couldn't see any dodgy copyvios. Might I suggest the paragraphs should be merged a bit? QPQ done. Might I suggest the hook is a little wordy, and could be cut a bit? The hooky bit is that it was played with 18 oboes and a band, perhaps not that they focus on French sacred music, which could be gleamed from the prose in the article? Other than that, good to go. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:30, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
Thank you! Well, English music is not their normal thing to play, as their name suggests. We could drop that HIP clause. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:38, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi, I came by to promote this, but I am confused about the hook wording. Do you want to say:
ALT0a: ... that Le Concert Spirituel, an ensemble focused on French sacred music and opera, played Handel's open-air music at The Proms with 18 oboes and a band to match?
But there is no citation for the ensemble performing sacred music. And the first paragraph under Recordings lacks a cite.
Personally, I think there is too much going on in this hook. If they play sacred music and opera, why are we mentioning Handel? I think it would be more interesting to talk about the ensemble, like:
ALT1: ... that Le Concert Spirituel, founded in 1987, revives the French repertoire played at the court of Versailles, using period instruments?
As there is no citation for the period instruments part, that could be left off the hook as needed. Yoninah (talk) 23:49, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Trying to absorb:

ALT2: ... that Le Concert Spirituel, an ensemble focused on reviving music performed at the court of Versailles, played Handel's open-air music at The Proms with 18 oboes and a band to match?

I think we need to say "performed" vs. "played" as at least a hint that they mostly sing, not only play. Link to the court perhaps? Years are normally not hooky, and "revive" more or less includes the historically informed way, - how else would one revive? "sacred" would be supported by most titles in their recordings, but is a bit of an ambiguous word, so let's do without. As the reviewer noted, the 18 oboes are hooky - 2 is normal - so should not be left out. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:07, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: but your ALT2 hook is still mixing chalk and cheese. If they specialize in old French repertoire, why are we talking about them playing Handel? Yoninah (talk) 10:54, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Because of the contrast. If me mentioned some French opera or Requiem, the whole "focus" thing could be dropped, but now the 18 oboes were (only?) in this English music. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:57, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

So? It doesn't make sense to twist and turn a hook to fit into 18 oboes. Good hooks can be written from any information. Yoninah (talk) 11:26, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt, Yoninah, I have just added inline citations for both "period instruments" and "French sacred music", so that issue shouldn't hold back any hooks any longer. If a new focus for a hook is needed, perhaps something could be done with Sémélé by Marais (world premiere recording that won the Echo Klassik, though that would require additional sourcing for "world premiere"). In any event, it would be nice to get this nomination moving again. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:19, 26 March 2020 (UTC)