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== Request for input in discussion forum ==

Given the closely linked subjects of the various religion, mythology, and philosophy groups, it seems to me that we might benefit from having some sort of regular topical discussion forum to discuss the relevant content. I have put together the beginnings of an outline for such discussion at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Religion/2011 meeting]], and would very much appreciate the input of any interested editors. I am thinking that it might run over two months, the first of which would be to bring forward and discuss the current state of the content, and the second for perhaps some more focused discussion on what, if any, specific efforts might be taken in the near future. Any and all input is more than welcome. [[User:John Carter|John Carter]] ([[User talk:John Carter|talk]])
<br /><br /><sub>Automated message by [[User:Project_Messenger_Bot|Project Messenger Bot]] from [[User:John Carter|John Carter]] at 15:44, 5 April 2011</sub>

== So there's a resource.... ==

Hello friends. I have a story to tell. Long ago, I wrote bunches of articles here, ranging from bands to eventually big topics like [[Christian music industry]] and [[Christian music festival]]. Over time while doing research for numerous articles, I realized that even where resources were already available, finding specific references inside of them was not an easy task.

For instance, if you had all 30 years of ''CCM'' magazine in front of you, you still couldn't write effectively about [[Andrae Crouch]]. Trouble is, it's too much to look through, and you don't specifically know where it is, etc. Second, While building pages like [[WP:CCM/S]] I came to realize that there were numerous smaller resources which could offer a unique perspective, but were next to impossible to find without a guide or way too wasted time. Finally, obscure topics were next to impossible to research properly. [[Christian ska]], for instance, spend over a year in various stages of research before seeing the light of day.

What was really needed was a new resource, one that would simplify research where such sources were available. Since I have a background in programming, I figured that I could make it happen. Check out what I've been working on at the [http://cmnexus.org CMnexus].

[[User:DantheCowMan|Dan, the CowMan]] ([[User talk:DantheCowMan|talk]]) 00:16, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

: Has this project died? [[User:DantheCowMan|Dan, the CowMan]] ([[User talk:DantheCowMan|talk]]) 19:01, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
::No but most WikiProjects aren't as active as they were a few years ago. I wish you good luck with your website! '''<font color="#000000">[[User:Royalbroil|Royal]]</font><font color="#FFCC00">[[User talk:Royalbroil|broil]]</font>''' 03:25, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

[[User:DantheCowMan]] since nobody ever thanked you for this, I've found this resource to be invaluable in working on articles, specifically finding stuff from CCM Magazine and Charisma. So kudos for this! '''[[User:Toa Nidhiki05|<i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Toa</i>]] [[User talk:Toa Nidhiki05|<i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Nidhiki05</i>]]''' 00:59, 26 May 2019 (UTC)


== Goals ==
== Goals ==
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Laurent [[User:Franky-68|Franky-68]]
Laurent [[User:Franky-68|Franky-68]]


== Red Letters ==
== Request for Review ==


Hello,
I just saw that there is an article for "[[Red Letters (song)|Red Letters]]", a song by [[Crowder (musician)|Crowder]]. I know that there isn't an article or even a redirect, but shouldn't there be some kind of disambiguation for the identically-named song by [[dc Talk]]? It was featured on ''[[WOW 1999]]''. [[User:Morriswa|Morriswa (Charlotte Allison)]] ([[User talk:Morriswa|talk]]) 05:31, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

== A new newsletter directory is out! ==

A new '''[[Template:Newsletters|Newsletter directory]]''' has been created to replace the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:List_of_newsletters&oldid=891896284 old, out-of-date one]. If your WikiProject and its taskforces have newsletters (even inactive ones), or if you know of a missing newsletter (including from sister projects like [https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page WikiSpecies]), please include it in the directory! The template can be a bit tricky, so if you need help, just post the newsletter on the [[Template talk:Newsletters|template's talk page]] and someone will add it for you.
:– Sent on behalf of [[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]]. 03:11, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
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== FA nomination for Almost There ==

[[Almost There (album)]] article is up for [[WP:Featured article|featured article]] status. As a significant (high-importance) article in this WikiProject, any and all project members are invited to comment on or review [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Almost There (album)/archive1|the nomination]] and help see if it fits the [[Wikipedia:Featured article criteria|featured article criteria]]. '''[[User:Toa Nidhiki05|<i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Toa</i>]] [[User talk:Toa Nidhiki05|<i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Nidhiki05</i>]]''' 22:31, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

== [[As I Lay Dying (band)]] ==

Hi guys,

So I started an individual [[WP:GA|GA]] reassessment on this in-a-way Christian [[metalcore]] band's article nine months ago...yeah, you can say I got distracted, ahaha. I managed to let a whole season from my favorite hockey team come and go by before I finished the halfway done review. Anyway, I was reminded in March, and it had been bugging me at the back of my mind until today when I found time to do it. I have completed the reassessment and I am willing to keep it open a good long while - like a month - for improvements (it's only fair since I did accordingly). I am letting everyone know immediately, since there does seem to be a hefty chunk of work that needs to be done in addition to what I've already fixed, although I believe saving it is possibly feasible. Please let me know, either here or on the article's talk page, if you're interested in putting some work in. Thanks for your attention! '''[[User:DannyMusicEditor|<span class="smallcaps" style="font-variant:small-caps;">danny</span><small>music</small><span class="smallcaps" style="font-variant:small-caps;">editor</span>]]''' <sup> [[User talk:DannyMusicEditor|oops]] </sup> 03:23, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

== Reminder: FA nomination for [[Almost There (album)]] ==

Just a reminder to anyone interested: the article for [[Almost There (album)]] is up for [[WP:Featured article|featured article]] status. This is a high-importance article in this WikiProject and one of the best-selling Christian records of all time so, any and all project members are invited to comment on or review [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Almost There (album)/archive1|the nomination]] and help see if it fits the [[Wikipedia:Featured article criteria|featured article criteria]]. The nomination is starting to lose attention and might be archived soon, so any comments are appreciated! '''[[User:Toa Nidhiki05|<i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Toa</i>]] [[User talk:Toa Nidhiki05|<i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Nidhiki05</i>]]''' 16:04, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

== Nomination of [[:Portal:Christian music]] for deletion ==
<div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0">[[File:Ambox warning orange.svg|48px|alt=|link=]]</div>A discussion is taking place as to whether '''[[:Portal:Christian music]]''' is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to [[Wikipedia:List of policies and guidelines|Wikipedia's policies and guidelines]] or whether it should be [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|deleted]].

The page will be discussed at [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Christian music]] until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the page during the discussion, including to improve the page to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the deletion notice from the top of the page.<!-- Template:mfd-notice --> <span class="smallcaps" style="font-variant:small-caps;">[[User:Northamerica1000|North America]]<sup>[[User talk:Northamerica1000|<span style="font-size: x-small;">1000</span>]]</sup></span> 23:14, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

== Found some of the CCM Magazine Chart archives (from August 1995 on) ==

Prior to Radio and Records publishing the Christian music charts, CCM Magazine did. They did not do this in their monthly magazine, but in a side magazine called ''The CCM Update''. Most of these charts are essentially lost, outside of if you happened to subscribe to the magazine or if you own one of the two Hot Hits books, which only covered the AC and CHR charts.

After some digging I’ve managed to find a small archive of this publication, stretching from May 29, 2000 to the creation of the R&R chart. The archive can be found [https://web.archive.org/web/20011217000146/http://www.ccmupdate.com:80/ccmupdate/index.html here]. Unfortunately, only the top 10 songs for each week are shown (I assume the print version would showcase the entire chart) but it does include the four major CCM charts:
*Adult Contemporary (the predecessor of the R&R and Billboard AC charts)
*CHR (the predecessor of the R&R and Billboard CHR charts)
*Inspirational (the predecessor of the R&R and Billboard Soft AC/INSPO chart, which is now defunct)
*Rock (the predecessor of the R&R and Billboard Christian rock chart, which is now defunct)

The links on the archive page show the number-one single each week. Clicking on any of the chart names shows the entire top ten for all charts. The Christian rock chart only published bi-weekly (every other week), and is absent in the odd weekends between the chart reveal. The other 3 charts were published every weekend. '''[[User:Toa Nidhiki05|<i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Toa</i>]] [[User talk:Toa Nidhiki05|<i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Nidhiki05</i>]]''' 15:37, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
:UPDATE: [https://web.archive.org/web/19981203051042/http://www.ccmcom.com/ccmupdate/ I found it!] This is a more substantial archive that goes all the way back to August 1995. This covers the entirety of the gap for Hot Hits CHR, which only went up to 1997. I am not sure if all of the links here work but it’s better than nothing! This also includes a chart I’ve never heard of before - the Country Christian chart, published bi-weekly! These charts only include the top 5 singles. '''[[User:Toa Nidhiki05|<i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Toa</i>]] [[User talk:Toa Nidhiki05|<i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Nidhiki05</i>]]''' 18:26, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Additional source: the [https://web.archive.org/web/20000408140051/http://www.ccmmagazine.com/ccmmag/00jan/ccm_top100.html decade-end AC] charts for the 1990s. 100 songs in total. '''[[User:Toa Nidhiki05|<i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Toa</i>]] [[User talk:Toa Nidhiki05|<i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Nidhiki05</i>]]''' 12:21, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

== Some changes to [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Christian music/Sources]] ==

I realize this project is mostly dead outside of a handful of committed editors, but figured I'd note some changes made to [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Christian music/Sources]] - an excellent resource page that is kind of hidden on the front page to be honest:

# Added a link to CMnexus, a phenomenal resource for finding Christian music articles. While you still need to manually look for them, it gives a great look of the names and dates of articles, making it easy to find coverage of groups and albums.
# Overhauled the charts section. The section on ''CCM Magazine'' charts now correctly attributes them to ''The CCM Update''. I've listed all five charts (CHR, AC, Inspriational, Rock, and Country) as well as guidance on usage (reliable before the creation of comparable ''Radio & Records'' charts). I've also included the link to the minimal online archive, as well as a note that The Encyclopedia of Contemporary Christian Music has a limited history of the CHR chart. I have this book on order so I'll see if it's true or not.
# Provided accurate beginning and ending dates for ''Radio & Records'' and ''Billboard'' charts, as well as guidance on finding the information for R&R and lesser ''Billboard'' charts. Unfortunately, Billboard has ended the longstanding Soft AC/INSPO and Christian rock charts, and I have adjusted it to recognize that fact.

I would like to make a few other proposed changes:
# Removing The Rock Across Australia. I don't know if this is a countdown chart or what, but it basically exists only on a facebook page.
# Advice on ''Cross Rhythms'' charts. ''Cross Rhythms'' itself is highly notable, but are the charts actually real or are they simply taken from a single radio station? If it is real and not a [[WP:BADCHART]], it should be incorporated more into articles. Their charts are quirky and sometimes include crossover or secular artists like Paramore (who have charted year-end in 2014, 2015, 2017, and 2018), so it's a nice addition to our normal ones, if they are legit.

I'm currently trying to find any way to access the old CCM Update charts, which would make it much easier to accurately reflect artist discographies. I've had little luck so far but I'll note any more updates. '''[[User:Toa Nidhiki05|<i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Toa</i>]] [[User talk:Toa Nidhiki05|<i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Nidhiki05</i>]]''' 02:29, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
: It looked good. I don't see any problems with your suggested changes either. As for ''Cross Rhythms'', they have a very broad definition of what constitues Christian music. They are more open than ''True Tunes'' or ''Harvest Rock Syndicate''. Thanks for your work on this. [[User:Walter Görlitz|Walter Görlitz]] ([[User talk:Walter Görlitz|talk]]) 06:40, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Almost There (album)/archive2|Featured article nomination]] for [[Almost There (album)]] ==

I’ve [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Almost There (album)/archive2|renominated]] [[Almost There (album)]], a high-importance article in this project, for [[Wikipedia:Featured article]]. Any editors are welcome to add to the discussion at the nomination page. '''[[User:Toa Nidhiki05|<i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Toa</i>]] [[User talk:Toa Nidhiki05|<i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Nidhiki05</i>]]''' 13:18, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

== Acquired the Encyclopedia of Contemporary Chrsitian Music with CD ==

If anyone needs anything on an entry in this book, I'm available. A quick look has found it to be extensively researched with a wealth of useful information for pre-internet era contemporary Christian music - it also includes (most) chart positions on the CHR chart from 1978 to 2002. If there's a discography that needs references or work, let me know. I also have the AC Hot Hits book for citations, so this collectively is about 99% of the two major CCM charts. I and am actively looking the out-of-print CHR one if anyone has it and is willing to sell. '''[[User:Toa Nidhiki05|<i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Toa</i>]] [[User talk:Toa Nidhiki05|<i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Nidhiki05</i>]]''' 00:58, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
:{{ping|Toa Nidhiki05}} is the book {{cite book |last=Powell |first=Mark Allan |title=Encyclopedia of Contemporary Christian Music |publisher=Hendrickson Publishers |year=2002 |location=Peabody, Massachusetts |isbn=1-56563-679-1 }}? If so, I have it as well. [[User:Walter Görlitz|Walter Görlitz]] ([[User talk:Walter Görlitz|talk]]) 04:14, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
::Yep, it’s that one. '''[[User:Toa Nidhiki05|<i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Toa</i>]] [[User talk:Toa Nidhiki05|<i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Nidhiki05</i>]]''' 13:03, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
::: Sweet. Then <nowiki><ref>{{cite book |last=Powell |first=Mark Allan |title=Encyclopedia of Contemporary Christian Music |publisher=Hendrickson Publishers |year=2002 |location=Peabody, Massachusetts |isbn=1-56563-679-1 |page=}}</ref></nowiki> is how you add it. if it's used repeatedly, I use name="EofCCM" when adding it. [[User:Walter Görlitz|Walter Görlitz]] ([[User talk:Walter Görlitz|talk]]) 14:45, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
::::Yeah, even came with the CD and I was able to get the PDF untethered from the CD, so I have a searchable PDF file of the entire book. Gonna be invaluable in the future. I'm going to start fixing some artist discography pages - unfortunately we lack the Inspirational or Rock charts, which leaves some artists (like dc Talk with the Rock chart or Phillips, Craig & Dean with the Inspirational chart) shortchanged, but it's better than nothing and AC and CHR are and always have been the two major charts. '''[[User:Toa Nidhiki05|<i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Toa</i>]] [[User talk:Toa Nidhiki05|<i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Nidhiki05</i>]]''' 23:04, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

== Created new subsection for ''The CCM Update'' on the [[CCM Magazine]] page ==

Information can be found at the [[CCM Magazine]] page and others are welcome to add information as needed. ''The CCM Update'' published the primary CCM charts for over two decades; in chart history tables or in mentions, the charts should be attributed to ''The CCM Update'', not CCM Magazine'', for CCM charts after May 1983, when the publications split. This covers the AC, CHR, Inspirational, Rock, and Country charts. '''[[User:Toa Nidhiki05|<i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Toa</i>]] [[User talk:Toa Nidhiki05|<i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Nidhiki05</i>]]''' 01:21, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Steven Curtis Chapman discography/archive1]] ==


I've nominated [[Steven Curtis Chapman discography]] for [[Wikipedia:Featured article|featured article]]. Chapman is one of the most successful figures in CCM history and his discography is extensive, so this was a major undertaking; [[Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Steven Curtis Chapman discography/archive1|here's a link to the nomination]] if anyone is interesting in commenting on the nomination to resolve any details in what will hopefully be the first of many featured list discographies for legacy artists here. '''[[User:Toa Nidhiki05|<i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Toa</i>]] [[User talk:Toa Nidhiki05|<i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Nidhiki05</i>]]''' 01:41, 25 June 2019 (UTC)


Please I’d love to ask for help as regards a draft I created [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Emmanuel_Iren Emmanuel Iren]
== Some good news and some bad news ==


After extensive internet sleuthing, I’ve acquired a complete database of every single song to have charted on every chart published by '''CCM Magazine''' and ''The CCM Update'' from 1978 to 2001. This covers the four historically major charts (AC, CHR, Inspirational, and Rock) as well as the defunct Country, Southern Gospel, and Bluegrass (listed as “BG”, which is why I’m assuming its bluegrass) charts. After examining the entries they seem to line up completely with my own research on the topic (including chart frames that I know exist for the rock and CHR charts) as well as the information featured in ''Hot Hits'', so I am confident this is a completely authoritative resource on the subject.


Many thanks as I await your response. [[User:Mevoelo|Mevoelo]] ([[User talk:Mevoelo|talk]]) 02:06, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
Now, the bad news - this is no located on a website. It’s a Microsoft Access file that I have since converted to an Excel file. I’m going to contact CCM Magazine and see if they’d be interested in starting a database on their website using the information - assuming that fails (which it likely will), I may purchase my own domain and republish this information, or just give the chart numbers to anyone who is interested. '''[[User:Toa Nidhiki05|<i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Toa</i>]] [[User talk:Toa Nidhiki05|<i style="color: green; font-family: Mistral;">Nidhiki05</i>]]''' 19:51, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
: The database would be a good resource. Let us know how the publisher approaches the discussion. [[User:Walter Görlitz|Walter Görlitz]] ([[User talk:Walter Görlitz|talk]]) 20:09, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

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Goals[edit]

Hello,

I am really like to help you with translation in French of your articles for the French Christian community.

I am already translating the article about Plus One.

Blessing,
Laurent Franky-68

Request for Review[edit]

Hello,


Please I’d love to ask for help as regards a draft I created Emmanuel Iren


Many thanks as I await your response. Mevoelo (talk) 02:06, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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