Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Bohemian F.C. players

List of Bohemian F.C. players

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PROD contested by article creator, who saus that this list is "easily referenced" - yet it has remained unreferenced since its creation in November 2010. I believe that the article should be deleted because sources for players, in order to create a list similar to List of Arsenal F.C. players and many more, will be very hard to find, and I don't view it as suitable in having this page as a collection of biographies (again, unreferenced!) of people who are not notable enough to have their own page. GiantSnowman 14:05, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 14:07, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
• Keep. WP:CLN says that this list may exist as a counterpart to Category:Bohemian F.C. players. It would, in fact, be quite easy to fill out and source this list from the sources given in those articles. WP:BURDEN says "it has always been good practice to try to find and cite supporting sources yourself". I submit that Giant Snowman has not done this, even though I have pointed these sources out to him. This nomination therefore fails WP:BEFORE, part B, item #2.—S Marshall T/C 14:15, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

• Where have you pointed me to these sources? GiantSnowman 14:51, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

• In this diff.—S Marshall T/C 15:47, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

• I don't think a Wikipedia category counts as a reliable source - especially one full of unreferenced BLPs... GiantSnowman 15:51, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

• I'm afraid you have to follow the links to find the sources. A degree of effort is involved; sorry about that.—S Marshall T/C 16:43, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

• Well, like I said, the category is full of unreferenced BLPs, and many non-notable articles. GiantSnowman 14:39, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

• Yes! That's exactly what we agreed when we discussed this before, at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Frank Morris (footballer). At that time, you said this, which I understood to be unequivocally supporting the idea of converting the separate articles to a single list. I'm confused by your apparent change of heart on this.—S Marshall T/C 22:25, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

• At the time I supported a redirect, never a merge, which is what it has become, and I have changed my mind over time - now instead of having two seperate unreferenced articles, we have one. GiantSnowman 22:43, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

• We're discussing one unreferenced list. Hang on, I'll go and reference it for you.—S Marshall T/C 22:54, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
• There, I've now added the reference I pointed out in October 2010.—S Marshall T/C 23:00, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

You mean this one? If so, please tell me you're joking - that website is a Wikipedia mirror with all the information taken out! GiantSnowman 00:28, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. — • Gene93k (talk) 23:48, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

• Delete. Article like this should only exist if fully sourced or something similar to List of Arsenal F.C. players. This articles is in a bad state and in my opinion if these players do not have their own articles then this in affect are unsourced biographies. Are these players alive because if these are then could be deleted as a WP:BLP issue. Warburton1368 (talk) 18:24, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

• It's not an article, it's a list. The sourcing issues are fixable, which means we're supposed to collaborate on fixing them (at which time we can remove any entries that remain unsourced). I think the mistake underlying this post is the belief that AfD is about the current state of the list. It isn't. It's about whether a decent list could exist with this title.—S Marshall T/C 23:04, 28 August 2011 (UTC)