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:::This was the only way to get wider community interest into the debate. The Wikipedia community might as well agree to keep the article, instead of moving its contents to the other fascism articles. [[User:Intangible|Intangible]] 16:27, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
:::This was the only way to get wider community interest into the debate. The Wikipedia community might as well agree to keep the article, instead of moving its contents to the other fascism articles. [[User:Intangible|Intangible]] 16:27, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
:::And I'm not sure why you would vote even before I could get the afd process completed. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Economics_of_fascism_%282nd_nomination%29&diff=prev&oldid=89024102]. That's just out of line. [[User:Intangible|Intangible]] 16:31, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
:::And I'm not sure why you would vote even before I could get the afd process completed. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Economics_of_fascism_%282nd_nomination%29&diff=prev&oldid=89024102]. That's just out of line. [[User:Intangible|Intangible]] 16:31, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

==[[User:Instantnood|Instantnood]] POV-pushing at [[Single-party state]]==

Three arbitration cases have been filed against [[User:Instantnood|Instantnood]], regarding his POV-pushing and edit-warring on China-related articles.

#The [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Instantnood%2C et al.|first arbitration case]] closed prematurely.
#The [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Instantnood 2|second arbitration case]] resulted in him (and [[User:Huaiwei|Huaiwei]], who tried to stop Instantnood) being placed on probation and restrictions imposed on him.
#The [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Instantnood 3|third arbitration case]] resulted in him (and Huaiwei) being placed on indefinite general probation.

His actions have resulted in him being banned from many articles, including [[Singapore]]. After being banned from an article, he will move on to another article, and get banned from that article, and move on to another, and so on.

Recently, he has been POV-pushing and edit-warring on [[single-party state]], insisting that Singapore be included in the list of single-party states. As a Singaporean, I know that we are a [[dominant-party system]], not a single-party state, as we have elections and the opposition has 2 seats and 33% of the votes, despite facing discrimination imposed by the ruling party.

Instantnood made 3 reverts in slightly over 2 hours, although he did not violate 3RR.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Single-party_state&diff=85835913&oldid=85477065][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Single-party_state&diff=85845551&oldid=85842981][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Single-party_state&diff=85848626&oldid=85846419] He also made disruptive and deceptive edits on the talk page.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Single-party_state&diff=90291390&oldid=90221372][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Single-party_state&diff=88599474&oldid=88418129]

His only supporter in the dispute is [[User:Regebro|Regebro]], who could possibly be a sockpuppet of Instantnood. Although I will assume good faith, given Instantnood's long history of edit-warring, and his past use of sockpuppets, I think a CheckUser may be useful. Besides Huaiwei (who has also had sanctions imposed against him) and [[User:Vsion|Vsion]], [[User:Terence Ong|Terence Ong]] and I agree that Singapore is not a one-party state.

I request that an administrator enforce the arbitration restrictions (such as probation) imposed on Instantnood, and if neccesary, impose further sanctions or start another arbitration case. In addition, as consensus is against him, and Singapore was not on the list of single-party states before the edit war started, I request that it be removed from the list.

--[[User:Hildanknight|J.L.W.S. The Special One]] 01:31, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

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    Copperchair (talk · contribs) is under Arbitration Committee sanction for tendentious editing on Star Wars and War on Terrorism. The editor is also currently on a 1 year and 1 day editing block (ending 2007-03-13) for violating the conditions of their probation. The final decision in their case is here: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Copperchair.

    Is it possible to increase Copperchair's block to indefinite and block IP range 190.10.0.XX as well? Since the 1 year and 1 day block, Copperchair has continuously violated the block and the probation via sockpuppets most originating from the indicated IP range:

    1. Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Copperchair
    2. Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Copperchair
    3. Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Copperchair (2nd)
    4. Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Copperchair (3rd)
    5. Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Copperchair (4th)
    6. Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Copperchair (5th)
    7. Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Copperchair (6th)

    Reported by: Bobblehead 04:23, 25 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

    • Well, for starters I will reset Copperchair's one year ban to one year from now. If he keeps it up it will amount to an indef block anyway. The IPs can't be blocked longterm because it might affect other users. When you see edits from that range the IP can be blocked briefly and the edits reverted, or the range blocked for a couple of days, but not longer. I'm afraid the only practical long term solution is to keep reverting his edits and hope he gets bored and finds something else to do. Thatcher131 20:20, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      Well, better than nothing. Thanks! --Bobblehead 21:40, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

    Intangible (talk · contribs) is under Arbitration Committee sanction for "disrupts by tendentious editing." The final decision in their case is here: Ruling.

    After a brief period of appropriate editing, User:Intangible has resumed "disrupts by tendentious editing." This primarily takes the form of idiosyncratic POV pushing reagrading the status and terminolgy used to describe various groups considered right wing by a majority of scholars.

    The following diffs show the offending behavior
    Total deletion of a list of "Parties Considered to be on the Far Right."
    Deletion of political tendency noted by many scholars to be far right or similar term.
    Summation

    I have been struggling with User:Intangible for days on several articles where this pattern of disruptive editing has re-appeared. If needed, I can provide other diffs that show the offending behavior. I thought that by starting with one incident, the sanction could be mild and instructive, rather than punitive. Note that the case was "Closed on 08:33, 12 September 2006 (UTC)." Note the dates of the diffs cited by Intangible below. I have been attempting to get this user to abide by the arbitration decision. --Cberlet 02:51, 14 November 2006 (UTC) Note further deletion by Intangible: Diff.--Cberlet 02:57, 14 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

    Reported by: Cberlet 16:33, 13 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

    This is a bad faith attempt by User:Cberlet. I already [1][2] went to the talk page earlier to discuss this issue, but nobody (and certainly not you) replied there. If anyone is being tendentious it is you. Really, I should make a list of all the times you mention my so-called "idiosyncracy" [3] or "POV pushing" [4] (while User:Nikodemos seemed to agree with me, expanding the section some more [5]) or "acting like a jerk" [6] or "apologist for neofascism" [7]. This is only a small sampling, but I believe that all these comments by User:Cberlet taken together constitute a serious personal attack on my person. Where should I look for community input into this matter? Intangible 17:40, 13 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    Just for the sake of completeness, on November 12, User:Flying Hamster said "This article is suitable in its POV/accuracy however". [8] This was before User:Cberlet entered the POV list to this article on November 13. [9] Intangible 10:18, 14 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    Just for the sake of even more completeness, somehow my removal of a list of "far left" organizations from the Far left article did not cause an upset with User:Cberlet. [10][11][12][13] . Intangible 17:00, 14 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]


    Regarding Intangible, no action on the diffs cited. Neither of those lists had any citations. (Can you imaging, for example, List of celebrity lesbians without reliable sources?) In the case of Parties Considered to be on the Far Right, note that considered to be is weasel terminology, and many of those parties are not identified as "Far right" in their own main articles, so compilation of the list looks like someone's opinion. I suggest rebuilding the list including only parties that are labeled far right in their main articles, assuming such labeling is backed up by reliable sources. (In some cases the label is applied perjoratively by critics and disputed by the party itself; it will likely be unproductive to go over the labeling issue in two articles, which I why I suggest basing inclusion in a list on the terminology used in the main article, with leeway allowed for disputes—perhaps Parties labeled as "Far right;" see main article for more information.) Likewise for the inclusion of paleocons—find some pundits to source the statement to.
    Regarding Cberlet, you can try Mediation or a user conduct Request for comment. Thatcher131 07:56, 14 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    The list included British National Party, National Front (France) and Austrian Freedom Party, to name a few. These three parties are considered as far right by political commentators, newspapers, etc. I don't see why they should not be included. Sources are given in the relevant articles (no need to move the "edit battle" with tendencious editors such as Intangible to all Wikipedia: let's keep to the relevant far right parties articles). User:LucVerhelst has just taken a long wikibreak, tired of edit-warring with Intangible on
    Intangible has kept the same attitude that he always had. Tazmaniacs 13:03, 14 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    The list also included Freedom Front Plus and National Front (Belgium) which are not described in those terms. Intangible may be banned from articles he edits disruptively. In this case I do not see disruptive editing. He removed the list in June after a 6 day waiting period on the talk page. Cberlet added it back without discussing it at all, and Intangible has not even removed it again. If (for example) someone were to update the list using the criteria I suggested (or some other criteria based on reliable sources rather than one person's opinion), and explain the reasoning on the talk page, and Intangible were to continue to remove it, that might actually constute disruption. The thing is, Intangible being under arbitration does not relieve other editors of the obligation to provide sources or work with him. Let me give two counter-examples. Editor A removes several sourced sections from an article alleging the US engages in state-sponsored terrorism. The sources proved that bad things happened, but not that the US was alleged to be behind them. While editor B went to AN/I to complain, editor C found and added sources making the allegations of a US government connection; editor A agreed the sources were acceptable and the article was ultimately improved by the addition of reliable sources through the wiki process. One the other hand, editor X frequently disputes classification of bands in different music sub-genres, edit warring with other music fans. In every case I have looked into, there are no reliable sources offered on either side, and the classification of a band is based on web forums or statements like "every fan knows this", "this band is generally considered to be" and so on. If Intangible disputes editors' characterizations of far right groups, make sure you are quoting reliable sources rather than your own opinions. If he removes them then, it may constitute disruption. If he adds sources with differing views, then you report the views of all reliable sources per NPOV policy. Thatcher131 13:38, 14 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    Intangible games the system by finding one cite that is then claimed to refute all other cites. Then there is a staged debate over deleting all the cited published material that claims a group or person is part of the political right. Certainly we all need to provide sources, but the reason I picked Far right is that it was part of the summer editing blitz by Intangible involving hundreds of pages, in which editors could not even keep up with his massive deletions. That's why the artitration was opened in the first place. Intangible posted the comments on Far right before the arbitration was opened. Then months later deleted the material. There are scores of pages where Intangible can do this. It violates the spirit and intent of the probation. Please go back and read the arbitration. It is not about sourcing, it is about Intangible disrupting "articles which relate to nationalist or right wing European political parties. It is alleged that Intangible engages in tendentious editing which minimizes the neo-fascist tendencies of such parties." Intangible does not constructively participate in writing entries that explore a variety of views, Intangible engages in promoting an idiosyncratic POV that sanitizes from entries published claims regarding right-wing affiliation.--Cberlet 14:22, 14 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    I am aware of the arbitration record and I believe I have been reasonably diligent in pursuing an understanding of the complaints against Intangible (see here, here and here). Intangible may be banned from articles for disruptive editing. "Disruptive" is always going to be a matter of judgement, of course, but I don't think any uninvolved admin would find changing an article once in June and once in October to be "disruptive." I was very concerned about BBET when it was brought here, but as both Intangible and LucVerhelst were guilty of edit warring, I was wary of appying a one-sided sanction, and Dmcdevit shared the same concern. I was also prepared to ban Intangible from Paul Belien over his peculiar interpretation of the reliable source policy, but it seemed that Intangible and Luc were engaged in productive discussion on the talk page, which is a) not disruption and b) generally what we want people to do. Arbcom could have outright banned Intangible from editing articles about right wing politics and they declined to do so. As Mackensen said when I asked him about BBET, "Intangible represents a useful counterpoint to the other editors and hasn't passed the threshold at which his contributions cease being worthwhile." Maybe there are other articles or better examples of disruptive editing, but you haven't made the case regarding Far right and BBET. Thatcher131 16:55, 14 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    For me the issue is not the one example I gave, but the continued pattern of tendentious and idiosyncratic claims made on discussion pages as a prelude for deleting text with which Intangible disagrees. Perhaps Intangible has now made my point far clearer. See here and here for Far Right; and here and herefor Progress Party (Norway) Endlessly contesting properly cited scholarly material with which Intangible disagrees is precesely why Intangible was put on probation in the first place.--Cberlet 14:07, 15 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    And now this message to me from Intangible: here--Cberlet 14:09, 15 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    I am becoming more concerned about Far right and have left a comment on the talk page regarding an apparent misunderstanding about WP:NPOV. I'll deal with the talk page as well. Sorry but I agree with Intangible on Progress Party (Norway), at least for now. The criticism section is woefully under-sourced and has had {{fact}} tags sitting on it for at least a month. This e-mail by Jimbo should be of some interest. I don't believe that pushing to have unsourced criticism backed up by a citation constitutes disruption in this example. Thatcher131 02:33, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    In the Progress Party (Norway) article Intangible is campaigning for more than just the removal of unsourced criticism; he desires to delete several scholarly citations which describe the Progress Party as "radical right". He and another editor, User:Heptor, demand that the party be labelled according to its own skewed perceptions of itself. Moreover, Intangible claims that news reports from mainstream, reputable media organzations such as the BBC and CNN are inadequate. Yet, even when I insert the opinions of the scholarly sources he's always clamouring about, he claims that they are outdated and therefore irrelevant or that their opinions are invalid because they don't all use the same definition of "radical right"; so it is impossible to satisfy his demands. He has used these same specious arguments in articles about other far-right parties; they are what caused him to be banned in the first place, as you know. -- WGee 03:06, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    Cberlet's diffs did not show that. Can you provide some, please? Thatcher131 03:10, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    You should read the last two threads on the talk page whenever you have the opportunity, but in the meantime here are a couple of comments on the talk page that exemplify Intangible's disruptive nit-picking:
    What about the sentence "I use the label ‘populist right’ as opposed to the ‘new radical right’ (Kitschelt and McGann 1995), since I wish to underline that these parties’ 1990s manifestations are generally not radically neo-liberal on the economic issue dimension, and being so is a defining feature of Kitschelt and McGann’s ‘new radical right’ category" don't you understand? Intangible 12:37, 27 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    You don't understand. There is a debate over terminology among scholars. Each author tries to define a specific subset of right-wing politics. Our job is not to point out the terminological variation, but to highlight the central themes of the nmajority of scholars of the political right. Intangible, you continue to use these terminological debates, which are well-known in the field, as an excuse to sanitize from many articles any claim from a reputable published source that a particular group is right-wing, or far right, or extreme right. This is the core of the problem with your disruptive, endless, contrary, nit-picking discussions on this and other pages. You have a POV, and you engage in territorially priapic, structurally omphaloskeptic, faux intellectual word games to mask your POV war against majority scholarship. And yes, I do understand, since I co-wrote a book on the subject . . . . --Cberlet 13:15, 27 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    -- WGee 03:22, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm not sure what your point is WGee. Re the Progress Party, I have already given examples that show the party is just labeled as "right-wing" or populist or whatelse, and I don't see what it would add to the article to say that "some label the party as right-wing, some label the party as radical right."
    Hell, the only nitpicking is by you people, because you are never really concerned with doing actually more with the article, explaining the parties' platforms or whatever not. Hell, readers would easily discern from a political party's platform whatever the political party is about. They do not learn that from empty labels that serve no purpose but to prevent any honest discussion of the matter at hand. Intangible 11:35, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

    <-------------The above statement by Intangible clearly demonstrates an unwillingness to abide by the guidelines regarding reputable sources established on Wikipedia. Intangible is a deletionist continuing a POV campaign to eradicate any scholarly terminology with which Intangible has any disagreement. Here is another clear example of Intangible scoffing at the terms of probation: Diff.. The position being articulated once again by Intangible is precisely the "disrupts by tendentious editing," that primarily take the form of idiosyncratic POV pushing regarding the terminolgy used to describe various groups considered "right wing" by a majority of scholars. Certainly there are matters here where more citation is required, but that is not the issue around which I am asking for enforcement of the probation through an appropriate administrative action.--Cberlet 15:57, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

    Intangible continues to appear to not comprehend the issues involved in the arbitration nor the parameters of the probation: Diff. I am going to take a break for a few days and see if others can seek to enforce the appropriate sanctions in this matter.--Cberlet 19:19, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

    I know I will not be popular in certain quarters, and I encourage you to find somone else to review the situation. In the current context, I don't find Intangible's edits to be disruptive enough to warrant page banning. I think both sides have misunderstood WP:NPOV. Intangible seems to want to neuter the article of any point of view, while Cberlet has been arguing that if a majority of academics state something, then it must be so. NPOV contemplates reporting all significant points of view. I would suggest that that introduction should have reasonably neutral intorduction, and a discussion in the body can report how different sources classify the party. However, classification of political parties as left, right, etc. is part of the way things are, and if Intangible continues to try and remove all attempts to report party labels that havbe been applied by others then I will consider an article ban. More on the article talk page. Thatcher131 12:37, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    I believe that you are (probably accidentally) mischaracterizing Cberlet's position. He is not stating that "if a majority of academics state something, then it must be so". He is stating that if a majority of academics state something, that is the view that Wikipedia should report as the mainstream view on the matter. That is pretty much exactly Wikipedia:Reliable sources in a nutshell. - Jmabel | Talk 19:45, 23 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

    Request for another Admin to review this situation

    Intangible continues the campaign: on Far right, and now with another AFD filing after failing to impose a minority POV on the page Economics of fascism: here. Could another Admin review this situation please?--Cberlet 15:47, 20 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    This was the only way to get wider community interest into the debate. The Wikipedia community might as well agree to keep the article, instead of moving its contents to the other fascism articles. Intangible 16:27, 20 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    And I'm not sure why you would vote even before I could get the afd process completed. [14]. That's just out of line. Intangible 16:31, 20 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

    Three arbitration cases have been filed against Instantnood, regarding his POV-pushing and edit-warring on China-related articles.

    1. The first arbitration case closed prematurely.
    2. The second arbitration case resulted in him (and Huaiwei, who tried to stop Instantnood) being placed on probation and restrictions imposed on him.
    3. The third arbitration case resulted in him (and Huaiwei) being placed on indefinite general probation.

    His actions have resulted in him being banned from many articles, including Singapore. After being banned from an article, he will move on to another article, and get banned from that article, and move on to another, and so on.

    Recently, he has been POV-pushing and edit-warring on single-party state, insisting that Singapore be included in the list of single-party states. As a Singaporean, I know that we are a dominant-party system, not a single-party state, as we have elections and the opposition has 2 seats and 33% of the votes, despite facing discrimination imposed by the ruling party.

    Instantnood made 3 reverts in slightly over 2 hours, although he did not violate 3RR.[15][16][17] He also made disruptive and deceptive edits on the talk page.[18][19]

    His only supporter in the dispute is Regebro, who could possibly be a sockpuppet of Instantnood. Although I will assume good faith, given Instantnood's long history of edit-warring, and his past use of sockpuppets, I think a CheckUser may be useful. Besides Huaiwei (who has also had sanctions imposed against him) and Vsion, Terence Ong and I agree that Singapore is not a one-party state.

    I request that an administrator enforce the arbitration restrictions (such as probation) imposed on Instantnood, and if neccesary, impose further sanctions or start another arbitration case. In addition, as consensus is against him, and Singapore was not on the list of single-party states before the edit war started, I request that it be removed from the list.

    --J.L.W.S. The Special One 01:31, 27 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]