File talk:WW2-Holocaust-Poland.PNG

 

Very busy image

Hi. The current image has a lot of information on it, all currently visually shouting for attention. The change I made was to allow the most important information (site locations) to stay visually important, but names of areas, and the colours of areas to be more faded - there is no need for them to be bright, just legible / differentiated. Hohum (talk) 13:27, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

• I hear you, but what is most important depends on the part of the Holocaust history you're concerned with. Wikipedia articles illustrated with this image vary greatly ... from death camps, to ghettos, to new regions of Nazi Germany, to sites of extermination, to deportation routes, etc. For example, in an article about Ponary massacre (one of several dozens), borders are more important than cities, while in articles about ghettos, deportation routes are more important than borders, and so on. I can tone down some parts, using Photoshop layers, but not everything at once, like you tried. Also, please tell what parts of this map are important to you specifically, and what Wikipedia article brought you here? I'd like to understand your argument better. Thanks, Poeticbent talk 20:35, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

I only want to tone down two things, region names, and region colours. They should still be perfectly legible/discernable, of course, just not so demanding of attention. If everything demands attention at once, it's not working as an informational map well. I've come across the image on various articles, but primarily w:Extermination camp and specific camp articles. As such, locating the individual camps/ghettos would seem to be the first thing people will want to do, seeing where that fits in the general "national" borders, with the exact names of specific subregions being last on the list. It would be useful if everything inside the Polish border had a colour bias different to the surroundings (or vice versa) - to give instant visual context, figuring out which border colour surrounds what is tricky. Hohum (talk) 15:01, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

• Poland's "national borders" are interlaced with Reichskommissariat borders, i.e. Ostland or Ukraine. Change of hue for Poland alone would be misleading. Please take into account also the necessity to accomodate people with vision impairment. I've dealt with similar complaints in the past already. I can tone down names of specific subregions a bit, but I would also love to get feedback from other Wikipedians like User:Piotrus for example. Poeticbent talk 18:01, 31 March 2018 (UTC)