File talk:Flag of the United States.svg

 

Discussions from w:Image_talk:Us_flag_large.png (which no longer exists)

Proportions

• The executive order listing proportions can be found here [1]. Look to the far bottom of the page

--Jacobolus 06:46, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Color specifications

I've altered the colors to meet US government specifications. The US flag is a great deal darker in color than people realize. Here it is Image:Us flag large colorspec.png, so you can take a look and see if you want to replace the very bright version on the wiki page with something closer to the proper colors Dogface

I copied a larger version from the CIA world factbook. Press CTRL F5 on the page and tell me what you think of that one. --Jiang 22:34, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Color specifications 2

The following is quoted text:

The official regulation, which I just tracked down at the Defense Technology Information Center website http://www.dtic.mil is General Services Administration "Federal Specification, Flag, National, United States of America and Flag, Union Jack," DDD-F-416E, dated November 27, 1981. It specifies the colors by reference to "Standard Color Cards of America" maintained by the Color Association of the United States, Inc. These are:

• Cable No. 70180 Old Glory Red
• Cable No. 70001 White
• Cable No. 70075 Old Glory Blue

Joe McMillan, 25 January 2000

Old Glory Red (PMS 193C), White, and Old Glory Blue (PMS 281C)

(From: http://www.fotw.us/flags/us.html)

According to this site [2] these colors in RGB are:

• Old Glory Red: BF0A30
• Old Glory Blue: 002868

—Cantus…☎ 09:03, Jan 31, 2005 (UTC)

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The official colors given by the US Embassy in London [3]:

• Old Glory Red: PMS 193C (Solid Color, Coated), is approximately RGB 191, 10, 48 = BF0A30
• Old Glory Blue: PMS 281C is approximately RGB 0, 40, 104 = 002868
• White = RGB 255, 255, 255 is approximately FFFFFF

#BF0A30

#002868

white

--Jacobolus 23:48, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)

SVG version discussions

I am going to start using the "clone" function, based on what was I was told, and see if we could knock the image size down a few notches. Zscout370 (sound off) 06:43, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Sounds fine. Note that the SVG file size has no effect on the generated PNG file size. Also, the original flag's height was divisible by 13, which is sort of nice; your new version has height 300, so each of the 13 stripes is 23.07 pixels high. 741x390 would be slightly nicer. dbenbenn | talk 10:18, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

I put it back into the original size (130 hoist), and the cloning is done. Zscout370 (sound off) 19:11, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

I like your idea about using the <use> tag. I never knew about that tag, and it simplifies things a lot. I've uploaded a new version, completely rewritten to use that tag. I increased the hoist by a lot. It's important for the height to be divisible by 39, so that the star positions can be specified exactly. Also, it's nice to have the flag be at least 1280px wide, so it displays at full size on the description page. dbenbenn | talk 21:54, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

More about the colors: Flags of the World quotes the Texas Government Code, which apparently states

(b) The red and blue of the state flag are:

(1) the same colors used in the United States flag; and

(2) defined as numbers 193 (red) and 281 (dark blue) of the Pantone Matching System.

User:dbenbenn 00:16, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

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From the article:

1/130=0.05384615...

1/130 was 0.00769230 last time I checked. --67.172.99.160 01:24, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

-You're right, 1/130 isn't 0.053..., but 7/130 is. I've changed it in the article so that it's correct now. --Tobias Schmidbauer 14:13, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

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I was trying to save-then-upload the image over to the OLPC wiki at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Image:Flag_of_the_United_States.svg. I'm getting an error "Error creating thumbnail: convert: Non-conforming drawing primitive definition `polygon'." Any ideas? Charles Merriam 20:47, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Ah, this appears to be related to https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-154, specifically that ImageMagick's built in SVG handling cannot deal with this code, and, for the OLPC wiki, ImageMagick will need to be recompiled with RSVG libraries. Charles Merriam 21:02, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

If it doesn't like "polygon" it's fairly easy to convert a polygopn path to an orinary path... AnonMoos 00:31, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

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There is still some room for improvements.

Each little star currently consists of 5 triangles, but a pentagram only needs 3 triangles.

Example:

5gon star radius = 1; -> triangle hypotehnuse ~= 0,955;

<polygon id="pt" points="-0.4775 -0.1545, 0 0.191, 0.4775 -0.1545" fill="#fff"/>
<g id="star">
  <use xlink:href="#pt"/>
  <use xlink:href="#pt" transform="rotate(72)"/>
  <use xlink:href="#pt" transform="rotate(-72)"/>
</g>

Only 3 triangles are needed, no additional scale factor.

Here an final implementation:

File:Flag_of_America_19_10.svg

djmj 1:35, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

New flag.. (could use help on filesize)

I noticed that the old svg flag had colors which don't quite match up with the correct Pantone swatches in Illustrator. This version should be accurate. If someone can figure out how to apply the exact colors from this version to the last version, keeping the much smaller filesize, that would be great. --Jacobolus 01:34, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I'm confused. The two svg files preview with slightly different colors, but looking at the source, they use the same color values. Maybe there's some sort of ICC profile mismatch? Dunno, I'm stumped. I've reverted to the old flag. --Jacobolus 07:00, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Some edits (also mostly ignore previous header)

Alright, I've done a bit of editing of the file, adding some metadata, including a link back to this page, and making the file fit in an 80 column width. It increases the file size a bit, but it's still < 4k, and metadata is always good. :) --Jacobolus 08:11, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, metadata is a good thing! I'm no expert, but I think the current version isn't valid SVG code. In the <svg> tag on line 3 is a definition for the xmlns:xlink namespace, but there's no definition anywhere for xmlns:rdf, xmlns:rdfs, xmlns:dc. I think I've seen SVG files that had additional URLs for defining those metadata tags. Do you know anything about that? User:dbenbenn 17:33, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Isn't there a validator somewhere? W3C says their HTML validator can handle SVG: "It also supports XHTML Family document types such as XHTML+MathML and XHTML+MathML+SVG, and also other markup vocabularies such as SVG." I can't seem to find it though. Also, I'm most delighted to see in what detail you people examine this file, striving for everything to be perfect. Such correctness is something I really love about Wikipedia! —Bromskloss 22:51, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

License

Surely {{PD-OpenClipart}} is no longer relevant considering how the flag (and it's code) look now. /Lokal_Profil 00:30, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Name of this Image

I consider the name of this flag image wrong. The name of the state in question is United States or USA not the United States (even if a wrong spelling redirect exists). Similary ill-named include Image:Flag of the People's Republic of China2.svg. We don't have a Image:Flag of the Iraq or Image:Flag of the Belgium or any other Flag of the <Whatsoever state. So the name of this image should be changed immidiately, even if its used on 200.000+ pages -- maybe because of that, because we tell the people something incorrect. --Matthiasb 13:47, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

The name of the image is the same as the English wikipedia article en:Flag of the United States... AnonMoos 17:28, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

More image notes (version of 00:43, 14 May 2008)

For the current version of the image (version of 00:43, 14 May 2008), an effort was made to simplify the SVG file and tighten the file size. This happens to result in a reduced file size of 1776 characters (recalling the Declaration of Independence) on 50 lines (evoking the States of the Union). Coincidentally, the longest line in the file turns out to be line no. 7, checking in at 77 columns. This also happens to recall the year the original 13-star Old Glory was adopted (1777). Plus, three sevens are supposed to be lucky. Or maybe I’m just superstitious having grown up in the South. —Technion 01:35, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Czech description

{{Editprotected}}

Please add to description

{{cs|[[Flag|Vlajka]] [[United States|Spojených Států]]}}

--sevela.p (talk) 20:16, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

 Done--Waldir ^talk 09:02, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Albanian description

{{Editprotected}}

You may also add the albanian description

{{sq|[[Flag|Flamuri]] i [[United States|Shteteve të Bashkuara]]}}

--Cradel (talk) 22:07, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

 Done--Waldir ^talk 08:39, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Russian description

{{Editprotected}}

Please add Russian description:

{{ru|[[:ru:Флаг|Флаг]] [[United States|Соединённых Штатов Америки]].}}

SkyBon^{Talk\Contributions} 19:55, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

 Done — Mike.lifeguard | ^@en.wb 00:25, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Albedo

hey this image is way to bright i see the flag everyday and i would apprecaite if you would please make it darker thank you -- 18:22, 4 December 2008 64.160.203.139

Actually, using "#002868" for blue and "#bf0a30" is plenty dark already, and certainly a long way from the cartoony versions of these colors ("#0000ff" and "#ff0000"). Anyway, the RGB color-system is inherently device-dependent (not to mention lighting-dependent)... AnonMoos (talk) 20:31, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

"pop-up" description

I would like all flags to have "some" text when people "mouse-over" the image... Or even have a link to the country article. Anyone know "what" text gets brought up upon "mouse-over". -- Mjquin id (talk) 00:23, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

If you use the "thumb" parameter on a Wikipedia article etc., that used to happen automatically (but apparently not anymore)... AnonMoos (talk) 14:59, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Spanish description

{{Editprotected}}

Mind adding the Spanish description?

{{es|La [[:es:bandera|bandera]] de los [[:es:Estados Unidos|Estados Unidos]]}}

Thanks ~ ωαdεstεr16_«talk^stalk» 05:25, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Done (And if you want to request an edit to a protected page, use {{Editprotected}} normally, do not wrap it in {{Tlx}}!) --Mormegil (talk) 09:22, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Add categorization

{{editprotected}} There's a nice categorization of flags going on, with subcategories for each country. However this image is not in it.

Please add this to category ( Category:SVG_flags_-_United_States_of_America ). The parent category is ( Category:SVG_flags ). Quite useful for easily browsing & finding.

Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trickv (talk • contribs) 09:54, April 9, 2009 (UTC)

Added {{Editprotected}} --Yarnalgo (talk) 06:20, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Done --Mormegil (talk) 09:18, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Things to add

This file should be added to these categories:

• Category:Blue, red, white flags
• Category:SVG sovereign state flags

I would also like to see these added to the description:

Chamoru: Banderan Estados Unidos

Esperanto: Flago de Usono

Français : Drapeau des États-Unis

Hawaiʻi: Ka hae ‘Amelika Hui Pū ‘ia

Latina: Vexillum Civitatum Foederatarum Americae

Diné bizaad: Wááshindoon bikéyah ałhidadiidzooígíí dáh naat'á'i'

Homo lupus (talk) 19:21, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

 Done. For the next time: When requesting an edit to a protected page, add {{Editprotected}}, some admin would notice sooner. --Mormegil (talk) 08:09, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. Homo lupus (talk) 17:29, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Adding

Hi! Please add this to the description: Svenska:Förenta staternas flagga

Thanks,Kstaden (talk) 19:40, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Irish Description

{{Editprotected}}

Please add to description

{{ga|[[Flag|Bratach]] na [[:ga:Stáit Aontaithe|Stát Aontaithe]]}}

86.41.133.15 13:30, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

 Done Kwj2772 (msg) 08:06, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Revert to last version

The current version is incorrect. It should be reverted to the version dated 14 May 2008. The blue is BB133E, while it should be BF0A30, and the red is 002664, even though it should be 002868. See en:Flag of the United States#Colors. Guy0307 (talk) 13:56, 1 November 2009 (UTC)