Wikifunctions talk:Main Page

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Sister projects

I created a sandbox where the links are in a grid style layout with larger icons and font size to make it easier to navigate. This design is similar to commons: and en:. Thoughts on adding to the main template? Terasail^[✉️] 16:38, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! That looks great. I've copied the (I think clear improvements) across. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 19:07, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Glossary link

The Glossary was moved from Meta here, so the Glossary link should now go to Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Glossary instead. Mormegil (talk) 07:37, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Done Thank you! And fixed more. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 21:46, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Descriptions for links to other projects

At the moment I see above the links to the other projects at the lower end of the main page the following text: "Wikifunctions is part of the non-profit, multilingual, free-content Wikimedia family.". I prefer a more neutral one that is for example used at English Wikibooks: "Wikibooks is hosted by the Wikimedia Foundation, which also hosts:". When I think about usages of the name family I think about companies who are also sometimes using this name to describe the collaboration of the people and the atmosphere at their company. So I have bad associations with this name as there are companies who are using this name where I do not agree with the way how they treat their employees. What do you think about this alternative name.--Hogü-456 (talk) 20:59, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi Hogü-456. The same wording is used Wikidata and Commons. I understand the perspective about companies who misuse the term, but we've used "family" for the collection of wikis for decades! (see also "sister project"). See also related usages such as m:Tree of Wikimedia wikis by language family. Personally, I also believe we should be careful to not let people who mis-use a term, take control of that term. I hope that helps. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 21:18, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Background, translations, video, and content

Background context: We started the project off with a relatively simple design and content for the Main Page. It was drafted on beta-Wikifunctions (and help requested in the Newsletter), with some great additions from @Terasail, and a lot of inspiration from Wikidata's Main Page. I used the MediaWiki Main Page structure as the basis for it, because that had semi-recently been overhauled so I knew the code was uptodate, and it was properly translatable, plus the aesthetics were minimal. [I like "minimal" personally, and I didn't want to impose any particular aesthetic on the page]. So far, it's seems to be generally working out. I suggest keeping that overall structure and aesthetic for now [partly because I've been through many complex and frustrating redesign processes for Main Pages over the years!], but it's up to you.

Note: Translations: It is now possible to translate Template:Main page! Sorry for the delay with marking that up. (I was having trouble getting them to display properly yesterday, and was going to ask for your help today, but @Ameisenigel noticed and fixed it. Thank you!)

Question: Video (and other possible content additions): I'd like to add File:Wikifunctions in 7 minutes.webm (with its translatable captions) into the Main Page, because I've seen many people remark ~"Oh, the project makes a lot more sense to me after watching that!". I think it is helpful for people who prefer learning via video/audio to have it easily discoverable, and Outreach: wiki has done this for years. But I'm not sure where to locate it within the page layout. Do you have any thoughts/suggestions? Perhaps the page needs a new content-block to balance it out (it uses a 2-column design in larger windows), or just generally? E.g. "Communication" as Wikidata has? Or something else?

I hope these notes help. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 18:57, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

The sister projects are not translatable but in template references that aren't defined in the call. I'd rather have them marked in Template:Main page so all translations can be found in one place.

Since the multilingual projects handle their main pages differently, the Commons, Wikispecies and Meta links need to be translated, whereas Wikidata, Incubator and MediaWiki do not. /Autom (talk) 19:42, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Ah, thank you. Done

For the labels: I think I've done so in the most efficient way. I was tempted to use the wikimediaprojectnames from translatewiki for the names of the 6 multilingual projects, but as you wrote it's probably best to keep them all in one place to avoid confusion.

For the links: I've added e.g. b:{{int:lang}}: to the monolingual projects to save translation effort. There's probably a better way to format that so that the English version doesn't link to x:en:, but it should work for now. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 21:08, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

(I see the error, looking now...) (Fixed.) Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 21:10, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Redirect all zh-* variants to zh

The Translate extension disables all zh-* variants in favor of zh, as specified in $wgTranslateDisabledTargetLanguages (see phab:T39338). So if a zh-* variant is selected as the user language, Template:Main page/zh should be displayed. This can be handled similarly to how it's done on Wikidata (see the source code of d:Wikidata:Main Page). Stevenliuyi (talk) 07:30, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

But how would you deal with concrete term differences? The terms differ dramatically in China, HK, and Taiwan. MilkyDefer 09:51, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

LanguageConverter is actually available on all zh translated pages, enabling the use of -{}- syntax and allowing variant changes on pages like Template:Main page/zh. The issue here is that when the translated page is transcluded, the variant cannot be changed anymore. I think this issue can be tackled by using mw:Template:LC zh, as done on mw:Template:Main page/zh. Stevenliuyi (talk) 15:29, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Wikiversity logo changing request

{{edit request}} Hi, I wish replacing the Wikiversity logo in the template by this logo : [[:File:Wikiversity logo 2017.svg]]. The reason is that the actually used logo in the template was replaced 5-6 years ago by a new logo in the wiki. Regards, Manjiro5 (talk) 12:28, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

@Manjiro5: Good spot. Done! Jdforrester (WMF) (talk) 15:54, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

@Jdforrester (WMF) Thank you very much ;-) Manjiro5 (talk) 21:17, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Wikimania

The Wikimania events can be removed from "Upcoming meetings". /Autom (talk) 14:30, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Done already. Sannita (WMF) (talk) 17:23, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Favicon

Why does the favicon display with a hazy white border? Can this be fixed? (I think I found the file but I can't find that in search.) Cheers, Edward-Woodrow (talk) 00:25, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Yup, there are two related issues with the favicon - outlines tracked at phab:T326094 and similarity tracked at phab:T343597. Both require some related areas of expertise, hence they haven't been quickly fixed already. -- Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 00:48, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the info, Quiddity (WMF). I looked at the .ico file, and it looks like the reason there's a white border is that there's a white border. (I mean, it isn't a weird display problem. We just need to remove a few pixels.) Once someone figures out how to edit the file, we just have to remove the outline; it will display the same on white because the background is transparent, and will hopefully look good on black. Edward-Woodrow (talk) 19:50, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

I've created a high-contrast version of the favicon, without any blurring or white outlines (the blue became slightly modified for contrast reasons), if that's any help. Commons won't allow me to upload .ico files, though. Edward-Woodrow (talk) 20:04, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! Perhaps you could add it to a comment in that Phabricator task? (drag-and-drop within the comment box there should work, or there's a toolbar button to upload). I believe that .ico files are ok there. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 21:17, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately, connecting e-mail to my Wikimedia account is required to log in to Phabricator, something I am not willing to do. Edward-Woodrow (talk) 21:20, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Fortunately, the changes I made are easily replicate. Just download the .ico file, and remove the white pixels (and make a few cosmetic changes) in GIMP or a related application of your choice, and all should be well. Edward-Woodrow (talk) 21:54, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Quiddity (WMF): or, really, convert File:Wikifunctions-favicon-32.png to .ico. Edward-Woodrow (talk) 19:48, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Move "WFI7M" video to own box

Should the "Wikifunctions in 7 minutes" be moved to its own box on the main page to stop the unevenness that is there currently. See Template:Main page/sandbox for an example of how this could look. Terasail^[✉️] 22:07, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Maybe put the video above the bullet list, and turn that into an hlist, with the whole box's contents horizontally-centred? Jdforrester (WMF) (talk) 12:58, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

@Jdforrester (WMF) I have updated the sandbox, was that more in line with what you were suggesting? Terasail^[✉️] 16:06, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

@Terasail: Thanks, that looks better to me; what do you or others think? Jdforrester (WMF) (talk) 17:57, 16 October 2023 (UTC)