User talk:Suffusion of Yellow

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Hey, you might want to modify that filter to exclude admins, or perhaps anyone with rights, to reduce false positives. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:02, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

@HJ Mitchell: Disabled for now, because I'm not sure what to do with that. It's supposed to be tracking a Firefox bug that causes unintentional page corruption when you close and then reopen an editing tab, so in theory it should be applied to all non-bot users. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 20:40, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Filter 12

Did you mean to disable the filter in Special:AbuseFilter/history/12/diff/prev/27938? Galobtter (pingó mió) 06:56, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Ah I see the comment at Wikipedia:Edit_filter_noticeboard/Archive_10#12. There's definitely a lott of overlap. 20 of the last 500 hits were saved, so I could go either way on disallowing or disabling this filter. Galobtter (pingó mió) 07:02, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

@Galobtter: I could go either way also. I set it back to disallow for now; that wasn't supposed to be a half year long test! The condition limit has been doubled, so pruning filters is now more about runtime, and mental strain on those trying to remember what ~300 filters do. But no objection to disabling. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 23:14, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

On a similar note, it seems you set Special:AbuseFilter/420 to log only but haven't re-enabled any actions. A quick check of the log seems to confirm that the edits are generally vandalism. Galobtter (pingó mió) 08:14, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Alright, set it to warn. Restoring the old setting of disallow+throttle seems kind of pointless; there were only a few hits per day before I removed the throttle. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 21:54, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for traps and pitfalls

I just ran into Wikipedia:Edit_filter/Traps_and_pitfalls#Test/examine_interface_and_recent_changes while testing Special:AbuseFilter/1245, and would have had no idea what was going on if I hadn't read that. Also big thanks for User:Suffusion of Yellow/batchtest-plus and all the other useful filter-related scripts of which I have installed all. I would not want to go back to the days before batchtest and honestly don't know how I edited filters without it. Galobtter (pingó mió) 05:02, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! Updated it a bit, since apparently at least user_age is correct now. I don't see how the other variables could be easily fixed; The "real" added_lines isn't saved anywhere unless a filter trips (hence 1201 (hist · log)), and answering "what was this user's edit count at this time" seems like an expensive database query to run on 100 users. And I'm happy batchtest-plus has found at least a few users. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 22:18, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

EFH

Hi Suffusion of Yellow, I've been considering requesting EFH, as a lot of the filters are private, especially the ones that always have false positives, and I have a basic understanding of perl regex, with intent to learn more. I was wondering if you would consider me as someone who would be a good candidate for the right. On a side note, Illusion Flame has proposed disabling filter 1248, as its just constantly filling up the filter log. Thanks, Zippybonzo | Talk (he|him) 15:38, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

@Zippybonzo: I would probably not support at this time. I generally like to see at least one of:

• Long-term dedication to filter-related matters. I can only find about 50-60 edits to filter-related pages, mostly going back about three weeks.
• Serious in-depth digging. Figure out which part of the filter matched, and whether it's fixable, etc. I realize there's a chicken-and-egg problem here, since you need EFH to access Special:AbuseFilter/test and other tools. But do the best you can.
• Extensive experience with other technical matters; e.g. bots, user scripts, or complex template/module editing. Not seeing much of that.

Now, my standards are probably higher than some others. I see EFH as "EFM in training", a view not shared by everyone. But I'd suggest waiting. Do keep up the good work, though. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 20:46, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

		The Usability Barnstar
		This thread is yet another example of your skill in finding ways in which Wikipedia's user interface can and should be better, adding on to things like WP:THEYCANTHEARYOU and others. Have a Barnstar! {{u|Sdkb}} talk 04:50, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, Sdkb! I probably should write an essay or something about occasionally changing your preferences, just to see what other people see. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 22:32, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, I limit the scripts/gadgets I use for that exact reason. I think that piece of advice could fit into a larger essay about editing with readers in mind; WP:READER could be turned into that but doesn't quite fit currently. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 22:43, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

I was thinking more along the lines of Edsu's hat, e.g. "How could you have missed that notice!? It's bright orange and filling the screen!" "What notice? I never got a notice." "Of course you did. Are you just trying to gaslight us..." etc. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 23:19, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Hah, ah, that makes more sense now! {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 23:26, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Page mover granted

Hello, Suffusion of Yellow. Your account has been granted the "extendedmover" user right, either following a request for it or demonstrating familiarity with working with article names and moving pages. You are now able to rename pages without leaving behind a redirect, move subpages when moving the parent page(s), and move category pages.

Please take a moment to review Wikipedia:Page mover for more information on this user right, especially the criteria for moving pages without leaving a redirect. Please remember to follow post-move cleanup procedures and make link corrections where necessary, including broken double-redirects when suppressredirect is used. This can be done using Special:WhatLinksHere. It is also very important that no one else be allowed to access your account, so you should consider taking a few moments to secure your password. As with all user rights, be aware that if abused, or used in controversial ways without consensus, your page mover status can be revoked.

Useful links:

• Wikipedia:Requested moves
• Category:Requested moves, for article renaming requests awaiting action.

If you do not want the page mover right anymore, just let me know, and I'll remove it. Thank you, and happy editing! Spicy (talk) 22:30, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks

I'm not even sure what the filter was angry about, but I was reverting in a paragraph on LGBT populations, so I guess that had something to do with it. Thanks again for dealing with that vandal! 47.227.95.73 (talk) 20:21, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, it's supposed to catch multiple uses of some words, e.g. "He's gay, totally gay..." and so on. You've probably been told this about seven million times already, but if you create an account, you'll be excluded from most filters one you're autoconfirmed. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 20:28, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, question for you.

In regards to Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Rollback of Vector 2022 you stated your support for the rollback of Vector 2022. How do you feel now about the skin, months after the discussion?

Before you answer this question, please read my user page to see why I am asking you this question. You do not have to answer this question at all if you wish. If you do answer this question, could you please state if you are okay with your username being used, possibly publicly? Thank you-- DisposableUser12345 (talk) 01:24, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

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mark-reverted

Hi, is it possible to use this on new vector? User:Suffusion of Yellow/mark-reverted

I think it doesn't work on new vector. Tehonk (talk) 09:50, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

@Tehonk: Thanks for reporting. Should be fixed now. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 01:42, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for fixing it, it works now. Tehonk (talk) 14:17, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Five years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:34, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

"Does not have the privilege of reporting other users to ANI"

While I understand that someone like WP:LTA/BKFIP making frivolous ANI requests should have those ANIs closed, I don't understand what you mean by "privilege" on the ANI you've recently closed. If you could explain to me that would be great. (Sorry if my question sounds kind of annoying.) Millows! | 🪧 03:12, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

@Millows: "That would be great", heh? So, an analogy:

Say you're a manager at some company. There's this employee, who does reasonably good work, but just doesn't get along with anyone. One day, you let him go. The next day, he shows up, walk in to your office, and says "I walked by Peter's desk on the way in, and saw him put the wrong coversheet on his TPS report". You tell him he needs to leave; he doesn't work here anymore. The next day he shows up again, this time wearing a new hat, and again complaining about Peter's TPS reports. Again you tell him to leave. He does this every day, for years, each time wearing a new hat.

Do you, every day, walk over to Peter's desk and say "we need to talk about your TPS reports". No, that would be allowing a fired employee to harass another worker.

Now, back to Wikipedia. This point is, it doesn't matter if the report is "frivolous" or not. We shouldn't even look at it. If we did, then, then we'd be creating a recipe for any banned user to "get" their "enemies"; just create ANI reports over and over until one of the 879 admins is having bad day, and falls for it. Such reports need to be shut down swiftly, regardless of the merits, before things get out of hand.

I of course don't mean reports like "User:X is threatening to shoot up a school". Obviously, WP:UCS (and basic decency) means you look at that.

A much shorter, and more policy-based, answer would be WP:BMB. But some people over-use BMB to imply that any 12-year old who gets blocked for a five-minute vandalism spree is somehow prohibited for life from ever creating a new account, or that we should blindly restore vandalism and BLP violations, if the reverting user was evading a block. Again WP:UCS. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 20:25, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

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- 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 16:21, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

@Illusion Flame: Thanks, replied. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 20:48, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

I think I remember you do some coding for filters...

But anyway...maybe you could take a look at these edits for the creative ways some folks are getting around all the Chuck Feed etc stuff: [1] & [2]. I'd never seen the "code" workaround & the other wording is also connected to the meme. Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 02:07, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

@Shearonink: Replied by email. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 22:36, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Yes. Thank you. I agree. Shearonink (talk) 00:52, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Hm

I guess we were ahead of our time.[3][4] ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 13:42, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

EFH

Hello. I'm considering requesting EFH soon, and would like any advice you might be able to toss my way. I'm mainly involved with false positives (edits seen here) and, ever since your FilterDebugger script, I've been able to examine the causes behind a filter tripping more easily. It's mostly the reasons I'd expect (the problematic edits are usually a no-brainer), though I've found a few interesting ones here and there. EggRoll97 ^(talk) 05:37, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

If you want to what I think, it's that creating the EFH right was a mistake; it's a read-only right which makes "abuse" (e.g. poor security practices) impossible to detect. And I've never felt we have a shortage of EFHs; it's always more EFMs (willing to actually update filters) that we need. So I tend to sit out most EFH requests, because it's usually not my objection to the specific candidate.

My concern is always the next user showing up with "well, you granted it to user:X and I clearly have more experience", and you've got to admit that they're right. Then we end up with an attack surface of 2000 EFHs. Will all that said, I think I will support you, but, for the reasons given above, it's not going to be the sort of "strong support" where I badger any opposers...

If you want to know what other people will think, the four previous requests are going to be an issue. Definitely be up front about that, link to the archives from your request, and explain what's different.

Also, always happy to know that someone finds FilterDebugger useful; any suggestions for improvement? Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 20:25, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

I can't say I disagree with your concerns (namely because a point was raised a few years ago that it might be better to just run the gauntlet for adminship instead, given the level of sheer trust that would be necessary), and share at least a part of them. As for FilterDebugger, no specific feedback. I will say that getting into it without any experience does take a bit of tinkering, but all good things do, so I'd say that's a plus more than anything. I'd say FilterDebugger is perhaps the reason I actually started taking a look at why filters tripped, rather than just whether the edit was supposed to be disallowed, and mainly because it made it so easy to do so. EggRoll97 ^(talk) 02:45, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

FilterDebugger

It looks like the implementation of ccnorm doesn't properly map '¡' to i. Special:AbuseLog/36337996 is currently shown as not a match. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 12:53, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

@0xDeadbeef: Thanks; looks like mw:Equivset has finally been updated! I'll rebuild with the newer version. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 19:23, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Should be fixed now. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 19:40, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

works now, thanks! 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 07:07, 13 November 2023 (UTC)