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Dop.L



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 7:56 pm Reply with quote
I always loved that bit in Samurai Flamenco when Hazama said to Goto "Both my parents were murdered. That's the best backstory a hero could have"
Total callout.
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Gemnist



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 8:36 pm Reply with quote
Hehe, love the Rob Liefeld reference (for those who don't know, he's a Marvel comic writer and artist, and the creator of Deadpool, who is constantly criticized for giving his characters Man-boobs and countless other obscene criteria).

Also, its Crisis on Infinite Earths. Still a great storyline.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 8:52 pm Reply with quote
I'd always been curious about Golden Bat personally. It would be great if Eastern Star could handle releasing it so it can be obtained a bit more easily.
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ParaChomp



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 11:19 pm Reply with quote
No mention of Tiger and Bunny again?
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dash56



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 12:01 am Reply with quote
Gemnist wrote:
Hehe, love the Rob Liefeld reference (for those who don't know, he's a Marvel comic writer and artist, and the creator of Deadpool, who is constantly criticized for giving his characters Man-boobs and countless other obscene criteria).

Also, its Crisis on Infinite Earths. Still a great storyline.


Now I'm picturing All Might with a bunch of pouches and no feet Laughing
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Hawkmonger



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 2:55 am Reply with quote
You all laugh, but Horikoshi has already done his send up to Liefeld. Stain.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 3:49 am Reply with quote
ParaChomp wrote:
No mention of Tiger and Bunny again?


I was gonna mention this as well. In my opinion, this is the only show so far to ever get it right. Just from the writing, you can tell this was made by people who were into comics. I mean seriously, the main villains of the first half are quite literally The Joker and Harley Quinn.
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Bamble



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 6:19 am Reply with quote
Mike Toole wrote:
we'd already gotten some of the 1970 Ryoichi Ikegami Spider-Man manga (which, incidentally, is very badly in need of a complete, finished re-release)


It was also badly in need of an unedited version as well, with some of the later stories that Marevl did translate being subject to censorship. I always suspected the more relatively extreme content of the later stories was a factor in why the translation was cancelled.

And while we're on the subject, a translation of Kazuhiro Koike's even more obscure early 1970s Hulk manga, which was never collected even in Japan, wouldn't go amiss either!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 10:50 pm Reply with quote
No mention of "Cyborg 009", the 1st Japanese super hero group? For shame, Mike.
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Levitz9



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 11:10 pm Reply with quote
Even considering how much grittier the original Kamen Rider story was (especially compared to its current incarnations), its origins in Ishinomori's much-darker vigilante story The Skull Man, and the dour ending it had in its manga... I'm still stricken that the original Kamen Rider would be counted as less of an "Ally of Justice" story and more of a "dark hero" thing. I mean, his ending theme even called him "Seigi no Masuku"--the Mask of Justice. ("Full speed ahead, Cyclone~!") I really should know better, but... Kamen Rider is all about the kids, man...

Thanks for these columns, Mike. Your stuff... it really helps these days.
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ParaChomp



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 1:53 am Reply with quote
v1cious wrote:
I was gonna mention this as well. In my opinion, this is the only show so far to ever get it right. Just from the writing, you can tell this was made by people who were into comics. I mean seriously, the main villains of the first half are quite literally The Joker and Harley Quinn.
Can't forget the obvious parallels to the X-Men.

The superhero genre is for every culture but all these recent superhero anime are Japanese heroes with an American coat of paint. It feels awkward but luckily/unfortunately the other way around is equally awkward. The two mediums don't blend due to letting their heritage show. Japanese superheroes have unbalanced stories while American superheroes can't exaggerate naturally. There might me something good there but it never understands what it's mimicking. Regardless, when the Japanese do tackle superheroes, it's always refreshing due to how oversaturated the American market is with superheroes.

Tiger and Bunny does superheroes the best out of every anime I've seen but in turn, it doesn't represent its country of origin in the slightest. Instead, it embraces the American superhero while turning it on its head with a television show and a ranking system. It's a simple premise that reflects the media that surrounds superheroes both in fiction and nonfiction. Due to the abundance of superheroes in the media, the show has become better with age.

With that in mind, I really need to rewatch this series.
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Stuart Smith



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 3:09 am Reply with quote
Levitz9 wrote:
Even considering how much grittier the original Kamen Rider story was (especially compared to its current incarnations), its origins in Ishinomori's much-darker vigilante story The Skull Man, and the dour ending it had in its manga... I'm still stricken that the original Kamen Rider would be counted as less of an "Ally of Justice" story and more of a "dark hero" thing. I mean, his ending theme even called him "Seigi no Masuku"--the Mask of Justice. ("Full speed ahead, Cyclone~!") I really should know better, but... Kamen Rider is all about the kids, man...


Kamen Rider might have a lighter tone these days, but the core principle of being a dark hero is still there. Virtually every Kamen Raider's powers originate from an evil source, or at least the same source the villains utilize as well. Gaia Memories, Core Medals, Lock Seeds, Magic. What separates the Kamen Riders from the villains is him using those powers to protect people.

-Stuart Smith
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