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Treeborn
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Couldn't make it out to see this one. But, if it's directed similar to the first, guess that's all the more reason to buy it when it's released on Blu-ray.
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zrnzle500
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This was the first anime film I saw in theaters, and it was a very enjoyable experience. The writing, visuals, and comedy were all great, the last of which was definitely enhanced by being in a theater. I certainly don't mind the blood and sexuality, the latter of which is a consistent through-line of the franchise. Yeah Hanekawa is definitely more endowed than the TV version and frankly more than I would like, but not by too much and far from the worst I've seen from late night anime, even just considering this season (Looking at you Occultic;Nine). The only thing I regret is not seeing the first one in theaters. I'd say this would be the best anime film (well best film period) I've seen this year, but that title will likely be taken by Your Name when it comes out later this year
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Oroboro
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What really struck me when watching this movie, is that from Hanekawa's perspective, she basically thinks that's she's walked into the scene as the protagonist of a Twilight-esque vampire romance novel. She attempts to get to know this broody loner, and he ends up being a broody loner super sexy vampire. Obviously she's hit the jackpot.
Which makes how her romance arc ends all the more depressing. Shinobu barely did anything at all this movie, which was disappointing, but it looks like the third will have that in spades. Biggest complaint? spoiler[I had to pay [expletive] $60 for parking because the cubs game was in town. ] |
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relyat08
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Simply put, this is one of the best film experiences I've ever had. I was honestly a slightly underwhelmed by Tekketsu-hen, it was good, but it was very different than what I've come to expect from the series, and it ended with very little happening. BUT not Nekketsu. This part was pure orgasmic, glorious, excess. The animation was brilliant, the direction was sharp and clever, and the tone was somehow a perfect mix of very disparate dark dark moments, hilarious cartoony gags, and some of the sexiest stuff I've ever seen in the medium. And it all worked. I don't even know how, but it did. Oishi is a genius. And man, it was great to see Hanekawa get front and center like this once again.
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SonOfaMonkey
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Calling it right now, this film had the best use of Thus Spoke Zarathustra, period.
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Jayhosh
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Every time I hear about a new Monogatari thing coming out, I read the synopsis and think "hey, that sounds pretty interesting!" But I saw the first season a while back and was overall pretty mixed on it. On one hand, I was really impressed with the artistry and directing on display, and all of the various Japanese mythology and such that was being explored, but the cold and detached delivery of exposition and characters frustrated me. It's hard for me to get invested in characters who are near-literally unrelatable, like the girl who's problem was that she was too perfect. It's like the writing makes up its own fake rules and emotional basis, which made it hard for me to give a shit about anybody. And then there was all of the... fanservice? Or at least, I think that's what that stuff was supposed to be. Again, it felt like it was trying to be so avant-garde that not even something as pedestrian as that could be simple. But something I was sure I understood was that the main character likes groping little girls (But it's okay for the vampire girl! She's actually centuries old so it's totally legal!). Again, why should I care about this person? Is he even the main character? Does this series even have one? Speaking of fanservice, seeing a clip of that "toothbrush scene" from the second season solidified my decision to never watch anything Monogatari related ever again. So what it mainly comes down to is that I feel like the show's constantly directly telling me that I don't like it because I "just don't get it." And the fans kind of act that way too. Whenever I bring it up, they'll usually say something like "I didn't get it at first either," like I just need to give it time to sink in. But that was years ago when I watched it, and my opinion still hasn't changed at all.
I apologize for turning this review discussion into a rant about my thoughts on the series as a whole (or I guess just the first season). I suppose I had to get it out since I've never really talked with anybody whose felt the same way (though I'm sure they're out there somewhere). Maybe I'll give the series another chance someday, if not just for the absolutely beautiful animation and overall design of everything (which I love). |
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zrnzle500
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Being too perfect isn't Hanekawa's problem. To avoid spoilers (cause I don't remember how much they got into that in the first season) I'll just say significant family issues to say the least. That seeming perfection is also ultimately a facade. It's not that she doesn't have negative qualities or emotions, but that she represses them, which manifest themselves in Black Hanekawa. Personally, I find her line of "I don't know everything. I only know what I know" very relatable. Not just the line itself, as everyone doesn't know everything and can relate to that, but rather in the context of her being a model student, I understand the sentiment behind it well. So at least for me, she is not nigh unrelatable. As to fanservice, it is definitely meant as fanservice. Even if they were doing other stuff in those scenes, the fanservice component of those scenes were definitely meant as fanservice. Nick Creamer wrote an editorial for this site last year on the series that may interest you. I don't know if it will change your mind, but it may show you how at least one fan of series understands it. |
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Jayhosh
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Honestly, it's been so long since I've seen it that I can barely even remember who's who. I'll just take your word on it and assume that was the character I was thinking of. I'm guessing the first season didn't focus on her background as much if I felt that way.
I remember the scenes with Araragi and the school girl (again, can't remember her name) being a big turn off for me. I'd like to think I don't consider myself to be an uptight stick in the mud when it comes to fanservice (currently watching and enjoying Keijo here), but some of it felt just plain excessive. I think maybe it wasn't necessarily the fanservice itself that bothered me so much as the major tonal whiplash that came with it. Thanks for linking that article, it was very helpful. It did a much better job at explaining the appeal of the series than any fan I've talked to about it thus far. Many of his point were things I'd kind of already assumed, that the series was a sort of jack of all trades. And perhaps for some people it's a master of none, and for others the complete opposite. It did increase my drive to give it another shot. I know that the series' chronological order is different from its release order. Which would you recommend following if I'd go down the rabbit hole again? |
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Kougeru
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Is is exactly how I feel, TBH. If you click older Monogatari articles on this site, you might even see me talking about how I don't understand the hype for this series and how I find that overrated. Monogatari Second Season basically changed all that for me. I absolutely love the franchise now and I can't get enough. I'm super excited to see this though the sexuality sounds a bit beyond what I like (well, I don't really "like" any sexuality in my anime but if it's done for a good reason, I can appreciate it) |
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zrnzle500
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@Jayhosh the release order is fine enough for the full TV series, though Nise is probably going to be the most challenging for you and it is the next one. Though either chronologically or release order, you'll have to watch that next. I'm not sure you can skip it due to some characters introduced in it. I think like Kougeru you'll like Second Series though. You probably could watch the OVAs (one of the Nekos, Hana, and Tsuki) when you want considering you watched the first. You could definitely watch Kizu though a) you would have to wait for the physical release or less legitimate means to see it, and b)it isn't finished yet.
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killjoy_the
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You could wait for Kizu to finish to watch that next. It's the one where you need the least context, originally the one released right after Bake, and much more straightforward than the rest of the series imo. Nise is definitely a love-it-or-hate-it thing and it's the next one, so I can't say I'd recommend it to someone who's already mixed on the series as a whole. Neko: Kuro somewhat assumes you've watched Nise, but you could give that one a try too. |
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