Forum - View topicAnswerman - Why Does Fanservice For Girls Get So Much Blowback?
Goto page Next Note: this is the discussion thread for this article |
View previous topic :: View next topic | ||||
Author | Message | |||
---|---|---|---|---|
Kurasaki
Posts: 1 |
|
|||
Post in script removed ~ Psycho 101 | ||||
Back to top | ||||
RAmmsoldat
Posts: 1213 Location: North wales coast |
|
|||
there was backlash against free? first I've heard of it. | ||||
Back to top | ||||
valoon
Posts: 35 |
|
|||
I think fanservice overall is a sad thing, it's okay but sometimes the extent of it is just too much - but because most authors of such fanservice for males anime are mainly males themselves, they don't know how women feel about that. | ||||
Back to top | ||||
cg89
Posts: 4 |
|
|||
the answer is its very common, usually pointless, and 9 times out of ten not at all titilating in any manor. | ||||
Back to top | ||||
DuchessBianca
Posts: 463 |
|
|||
I know I'm in the minority but as a female I love and enjoy pretty much all the heavy fanservice shows whose target demographic is male, even ones which are literally just that. While it doesn't bother me as I enjoy it I can understand how people have gripes about fan service getting shoved into shows that aren't fanservice oriented for sales or whatnot.
Though like another poster this is the first I'm hearing about any Free! backlash, was there really? Thats just sad... Loved free and that S1 ED is still the most catchy ED I've ever heard and a treat to look at too |
||||
Back to top | ||||
Levitz9
Posts: 895 Location: Puerto Rico |
|
|||
Another key difference is that many fujoshi-oriented shows are in on the joke (see: Gou in Free!). Male-oriented fanservice always has this disgusting presumptuousness to it, pure Kojima-style "there's a point to seeing her nipples bleed through her shirt/you will be ashamed of your deeds and actions!" crap. There hasn't been a female-oriented show with an equivalent to Cross Ange's "It's not anal rape, it's a medical procedure!"
It's still worth pointing out that fujoshi fanservice can be as hurtful as otaku fanservice in that it's still objectifying gay relationships. Just because people are super-into yaoi doesn't necessarily make them LGBT allies, especially if gay couples to them are just something to ogle. It's the very definition of objectification: ignoring the humanity behind individuals for the sake of their image. But, as Justin points out, it's nowhere nearly as endemic as the Ken Akamatsu model. Also worth considering are the false equivalences a lot of men bring up: men think that characters like Kratos from God of War are female eye-candy. That kind of thing really twists what is/isn't fanservice for women. EDIT:
This was a really big deal when it came out. KyoAni fans were seriously ruffled when the studio responsible for making their waifu come to life suddenly made one show that wasn't aimed at them. It was like that comic where they pour soda into a woman's cup and a guy complains he isn't getting any soda when his cup is already full, so he forces the soda-bearer to pour more into his overflowing cup. (Also, Splash Free is a damn catchy song. ) Last edited by Levitz9 on Wed Jun 29, 2016 12:20 pm; edited 1 time in total |
||||
Back to top | ||||
CrowLia
Thread Killer
Posts: 3910 Location: Mexico |
|
|||
When the show was first announced there were at least a handful of threads in this forum that were 50+ pages of angry otaku telling women what they should like and being pissy because KyoAni had "betrayed them", swearing to boycott the company and guaranteeing that Free would be a failure because "women don't buy anime" |
||||
Back to top | ||||
Hoppy800
Posts: 1923 |
|
|||
Fujoshi would be respected more if a lot of them didn't oogle over shipping and such non-stop (this was a MAJOR problem with the Hetalia fanbase). With male orientated fanservice, people just say they want to see it, want the girls and the haters will hate on it and move on and don't force it into people's faces. Last edited by Hoppy800 on Wed Jun 29, 2016 12:23 pm; edited 1 time in total |
||||
Back to top | ||||
Beatdigga
Posts: 1873 Location: Here! |
|
|||
No one can get an even targeting mix anymore. It's too far in one direction or the other. It's either raging myosigny or Ghostbusters 2016, where you're sexist if you dislike it instead of because it looks like a flaming dumpster.
We are so polarized in our opinions that this blowback is inevitable. Last edited by Beatdigga on Wed Jun 29, 2016 12:24 pm; edited 1 time in total |
||||
Back to top | ||||
Valhern
Posts: 435 |
|
|||
There surely was. Even I myself was like "oh my god it was a frigging commercial KyoAni you've never done anything out of any other commercial" and I honestly feared that it would've been a heavy fanservice show but with guys and everyone would've been like "yooo progressive!!" but I think they've done a very good job in that regard, it's not annoying nor becomes an obstacle. As homoerotic element, it was pretty much the "We COULD go there but we leave that for fanfiction", pretty much like anything KyoAni has done. And I had reasons to fear it since everytime KyoAni tried to go a more ecchi route, it hasn't gone very well. PD; I thought that the girl on the thumbnail was wearing some kind of boxing gloves before taking a good look at it. Wow. Last edited by Valhern on Wed Jun 29, 2016 12:25 pm; edited 1 time in total |
||||
Back to top | ||||
Asturaetus
Posts: 13 |
|
|||
There was fanservice in Real Drive? I remember a lot of people being put off that Aoi - the female main - was chubby, but I don't really remember fanservice. Sure you didn't mean Mardock Scramble with the nude diving and the gay dolphine? Last edited by Asturaetus on Wed Jun 29, 2016 12:25 pm; edited 1 time in total |
||||
Back to top | ||||
Cam0
Posts: 1733 |
|
|||
It's the first time I've heard of it. Of course I didn't pay much attention to Free! news or threads so it makes sense. Sounds ridiculous. I need to go looking for these threads. |
||||
Back to top | ||||
Parsifal24
Posts: 429 Location: Holland MI |
|
|||
I find fan service boring more than offensive as you can only see the same tired tropes recycled again and again. I guess from a design point it can be interesting in either a morbid curiosity sort of way or out of some interest in the minimal story. I tried to watch Free and good visuals aside I found it boring same goes for High School D X D.
It would be nice to see more female-centered fan service shows but then you risk getting into the same writing problems and accusations of pandering series such as Miricle Train and Brothers Conflict being two examples that come to mind. Along with the creepy romanticization of abusive relationships that creeps up in some series. So neither is perfect but a fan base exists for both it would just be nice to see women get something as well even if I don't watch it. The problem is when fans feel they are "owed" something by creators. This was the problem with the Free "controversy" as fans felt they had some kind of stake in what Kyoto Animation made because they loved their works. That kind of reaction is just immature to me. |
||||
Back to top | ||||
Themaster20000
Posts: 488 |
|
|||
Solid answer. It's definitely the worst when your watching a show that's serious in tone,and the director decides to throw in a bunch of pointless fanservice. That said,I do enjoy the occasional one like Monster Musume,which works due to being to about it's intentions,good animation,and most importantly it's creative with it's premise; which is one of the biggest issues with these shows. Last edited by Themaster20000 on Wed Jun 29, 2016 12:38 pm; edited 1 time in total |
||||
Back to top | ||||
FenixFiesta
Posts: 1986 |
|
|||
The issue becomes multi faceted, it isn't just about exploiting fictional characters with oversized (or in some cases undersized) breasts and flashing a panty shots at every opportunity, it is that the media creators just give up and believe that "the idiot otaku audience will eat up ANYTHING as long as it has cute enough girls in compromised positions".
Characters that have actual thought in there production usually last longer in the fandom cognitive, any trained artist or mangaka can draw our a "titillating character" but to make a character resonate with the target audience they have to be more than there drawn curves. As for why a vocal portion of the community goes nuts when there is intentional female pandering, that is a social issue that would need more than a full page response but the short of it is due to "societal conditioning". Last edited by FenixFiesta on Wed Jun 29, 2016 12:45 pm; edited 1 time in total |
||||
Back to top | ||||
Anime News Network Forum Index -> Site-related -> Talkback |
All times are GMT - 5 Hours Goto page Next |
|
Page 1 of 13 |
|
Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group
⬈
⬋
-
+
Forum
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
The Summer 2016 Anime Preview Guide
anime
The Summer 2016 anime preview guide has begun! Check back daily for reviews of all of this season's biggest new shows.
Available Now: Food Wars! The Second Plate Berserk - ReLIFE - Momokuri ― Welcome to Anime News Network's Summer 2016 Preview Guide! Here's how it goes: our team of critics write up their impressions instantly and they get posted as they go along. Each critic will cover as many shows...
Available Now: Food Wars! The Second Plate Berserk - ReLIFE - Momokuri ― Welcome to Anime News Network's Summer 2016 Preview Guide! Here's how it goes: our team of critics write up their impressions instantly and they get posted as they go along. Each critic will cover as many shows...
Anime Expo 2015 News Roundup: Day One
events
Check out all the giant-size headlines from Anime Expo 2016 right here! Enormous announcements from Crunchyroll, Viz Media, Yen Press and much more!
― July 1-4 2016 Los Angeles, California Day One Headlines Viz Manga Adds Dragon Ball Super, Gundam Thunderbolt, Rei Tōma's The Water Dragon's Bride Max Mittleman Stars in One-Punch Man English Dub Yen Press Licenses Rokka Novels/Manga, Isolator, Big Ord...
Don't Be Cruel [2-in-1 Edition] GN 1
manga
This boys' love double feature contains two complete different stories that happen to star the same characters. Rebecca Silverman examines which of these two romantic tales outshines the other.
― This may sound disingenuous, but Don't Be Cruel's first two-volume omnibus really is two different books. By this I mean that while volumes one and two are about the same characters, the stories they're invo...
Shonen Hollywood: Holly Stage for 49 Sub.DVD
anime
Shonen Hollywood takes a more down-to-earth approach to the idol anime business, but does it succeed in finding its own voice? Nick Creamer investigates.
― Shonen Hollywood is reflective of two major emergent trends in anime: shows about idols and shows about attractive young men aimed at a largely female audience. Given that, it'd be easy for many fans to dismiss the show as “not their thing,” parti...
Anime Spotlight - Handa-kun
anime
Everybody can't help but follow the misadventures of Handa-kun!
― Handa-kun Visit the Official Site Story Characters Trailer Cast & Staff Gallery On air starting July 7, 2016 (JST) Key Staff Director: Yoshitaka Koyama ("Noramimi" series, "Kero Kero Chime") Series Supervisor: Michiko Yokote ("Prison School", "Shirobako" as Series Composition) Character Design: Mayuko Matsumoto ("KanColle", "Gingitsun...
Gonna be the Twin-Tail!! BD+DVD
anime
This lighthearted parody of otaku fetishes has its moments, but there may be only so many pigtail jokes you can pack into twelve episodes.
― How much do you like pigtails, or twin-tails as they're known in anime? Probably not as much as Soji, the protagonist of Gonna be the Twin-Tail, one of the weirder otaku parodies to come out in recent years. Soji is obsessed with the hairstyle to the point where...
Interview: Unified Pictures and Vampire Hunter D
anime
Last year, Unified Pictures announced a new Vampire Hunter D TV series - now they're back with more details, some exclusive concept art, and a Kickstarter proposal!
― In June of 2015, it was announced that a new Vampire Hunter D animated coproduction was in the early planning stages, but since that time there have been no further publicized developments. Ahead of their Anime Expo 2016 panel, we touch...
Anime Spotlight - Love Live! Sunshine!!
anime
Nine high school girls, led by second-year student Chika Takami, are driven by one seriously big dream: To become the next generation of bright, sparkling “school idols”!
― Love Live! Sunshine!! Visit the Official Site Story Characters Trailer Cast & Staff Gallery On-air starts July 2016. Key Staff Director: Kazuo Sakai ("Mushi-Uta" as director, "Mobile Suit Gundam AGE"as episode director) Series Co...
Anime Spotlight - Fate/kaleid liner Prisma☆Illya 3rei!!
anime
A battle to grant the magical girl's normal yet grand wish begins!
― Fate/kaleid liner Prisma☆Illya 3rei!! Visit the Official Site Story Characters Trailer Cast & Staff Gallery On air starting July 6, 2016 Key Staff Chief Director: Shin Oonuma ("Kokoro Connect" sa chief director, "Baka and Test - Summon the Beasts" as director,"WATAMOTE" as director) Series Composition: Kenji Inoue ("Baka and Test -...
Answerman - Why Does Fanservice For Girls Get So Much Blowback?
anime
Fanservice for guys is a standard part of the anime experience, but we're entering an age of equal-opportunity ogling, and there's a lot of complaining about that. Justin digs into it.
― Eric asks: I keep hearing negative things about fan-service for men(like how the women are unrealistically curves, wear way tor revealing outfits, etc), but i haven't heard anyone saying the same thing about fan-ser...
The Best and Worst Anime of Spring 2016
anime
The Spring 2016 anime season is wrapping up, so it's time for our reviews crew to pick their best and worst shows of the season! My Hero Academia, RE: Zero and more - and don't forget to tell us yours!
― Spring is wrapping up, which means it's time to poll our Daily Streaming Reviews team and find out which shows they loved the most, and which shows they'll try the hardest to forget! Once you're done...
Fairy Tail BD+DVD 20
anime
The beginning of the Tartaros Arc marks a dark shift in tone for the adventures of Natsu and friends. Rebecca reflects on what changes the anime has made to the even grimmer manga version of these events.
― The Tartaros Arc of Fairy Tail is one of the darkest thus far – and that's toning it down quite a bit from the manga. While this show usually takes what I think of as the Soul Calibur Approach to ...
The Best and Worst of the Season So Far: Week of June 17-23
just for fun
We're closing in on the final week, and the rankings are starting to firm up - Assassination Classroom makes a play for the top spot! Where did your favorite shows wind up on our weekly user rankings?
― Our team of reviewers are following 25 anime series of the Spring 2016 season and readers are rating each episode as the reviews go up. So let's have a look at what ANN readers consider the best (and...