January 16, 2012
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A move to scrap Swedish laws requiring compulsory sterilization for people undergoing gender reassignment surgery has been put on ice following opposition from the Christian Democrats.
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Mental Health? ... Should such a high risk group be allowed to have such operations and follow up health related costs which as an individual is very expensive to the publicly funded health budget.
In regards to the Nazi comments (Hitler only had 1 ball ... The others in ___ ______")
What Sweden has failed on is the ability for so called transgendered to reclassify their sex.
While such operations may help mental insecurity, they are purely cosmetical. And by the government to allow the reclassification of gender is fraud, since the medical establishment have not found a way to reassign sexes.
What is your personal issue with these people?
Seriously you go on about them and have even claimed to campaign against there rights in the past.
What is the the issue?
I don't have any personal issue with "these people" (as you refer to them)
I don't support fraud, regardless of the reason.In the same way I don't support MP's expenses claims in a fraudulent manner.Or the bankers who have stolen money from the peoples taxes.
A rose by any other name ....
What allot of people don't seem to consider is not just the environment a child could be expected to live in and the social stigma. But the increased possible hereditary issues that could have devastating effects on the child's health. But most importantly, such surgery is supplemented with large amounts of hormones and very strong drugs in an attempt to suppress parts of the body which could have devastating effects on any attempt to reproduce and it's offspring.
Unfortunately, so much attention is spent on the patients rights which is primarily a cosmetic procedure.That it completely overshadows and ignores the human being and issues it could be made to suffer because of that of the parent.
It's like breeding a human for spare parts.
To be blunt, what you are saying is similar to the nonsense that the catholic church comes out with.
Cross sex hormone treatment would very quickly chemically sterilise a person. Add in anti-androgens and you should have chemical sterilisation in a couple of months.
Sex change surgery would instantly sterilise someone. The testicles are cut of and the overies are removed the other direction.
Someone getting a sex change is not fraud. They are just living there lives.
Again, is name calling the best you can do?
You can be as "Blunt" as you want, but the facts remain the same.
- Fraud
- Mental Health issues
- High suicide and self harm
- Heavy medication that effects the reproduction system
- Social Stigma
Add to this the name calling, and it would appear to me that this perversion of information by yourself to name call and present misleading facts and coverup much of the many issues this type of surgery involves, reminds me more so of the religious style of organisations you like to try to smear people who disagree with you, with.
What allot of the readers seem to fail to understand is, this is NOT forced sterilization.
Patients who elect to have such do such on their own free will.
This is an agreed package for what is basically state paid, extensive cosmetic surgery that itself is not due to disfigurement and is only done so on mental health grounds for aestheticall changes.
Many medical establishments set rules on what patients need to do, to qualify for surgery.
People who abuse alcohol, dont find it very easy to get liver transplants do they.
Sweden has a very long history of sterilisation. They sterilised 63,000, most of whom were Sami. Unfortunately that mentality still exists in a lot of quarters in Sweden, even though mostly hidden today.
@ byke,
A minority does not commit fraud by existing. I have heard that fraud arguement before regarding minorities and to be blunt that type of arguement is disgraceful.
They don't do you any harm or anyone else. Did you ever hear of live and let live?
A slight, but important, correction "Sweden has a long and sad history of ENFORCED sterilization" And it's not just the Christian Democrats who are involved.
@byke
Have you proof of your facts regarding Fraud, Mental Health etc.?
Yet again you are making false statements in an attempt to pervert this discussion.
And at no point have I nor anyone else on this thread, made any mention of the "right to exist". In fact your use of such, is much more akin to Nazi propaganda.
Receiving state backing to deliberately mislead is fraud. Simple as.
The same way that impersonating a police officer is a criminal offense.
There is no fraud, except in your mind.
You clearly have some reason to hate that minority.
Produce your evidence of fraud. There is none. Existance of a minority is not fraud.
@ McChatter
Yup, the Social Democrats were the main drivers for sterilisation of people they did not approve of.
There is no point in having a discussion or being part of such if you deliberately look to make false claims in an attempt to justify your views.
Deliberately attempting to change legal identification documentation to state a different sex to that in which you are biologically, is Fraud.
So someone changing there name when they get married to there spouses name is fraud as well, in your book?
Byke, there is no point in having a discussion with on you on the subject as you are consumed by hatred of that particular group, for whatever reason.
Seriously you really need to consider the concept of "live and let live" towards people that do you no harm.
Fail.
Look in the mirror.
Think about it. A women wants to LEGALLY call herself a man. Since NO man has any FEMALE reproduction organs it is required to remove those female parts = sterilization.
What these people wanna do is to change the definition of "man" to include pregnancy, and they are not honest about it! Invent a third sex then if you must instead of lying.
The brain is the most important gendered organ of the body, it decides your sex, not your body. It has a sort of map (I dont know the correct term), if this is set to female and the body is male the person will suffer is the most awful way.
Without treatment with cross sex hormones and often surgery the suffer will go slowly out of there mind, often resulting in very bad depression and sometimes suicide. Lots of transsexual people die before they get the courage to seek treatment, which has a very high success rate, most going on to lead very productive lives.
To say to go through this is a choice just shows great ignorance of the condition, it is a birth defect, I don't think any one would choose to go through the amount of suffering and pain transition can cause, if you are born with this you do not have a choice. I am transgenderd, I hate the pain I have caused to my family and loved ones, but if I had not I know I would be dead and not writing this.