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unfoxworthy   08:45 AM on 12/19/2010
Gordon.
Thank you. I enjoyed your insightful post.
In agreeing with other commenters here, I too would like to point out the US' inability to channel the interests of a powerful few into benefits for the masses will drive impotent public policy in the future.
Yes, private lending should be ramped up, but not put in the hands of investment firms (or banks) involved in hedging or securitiza­tion. Goldman Sachs' lining of their own pockets by creating artificial value for their stock holders is NOT a path to prosperity­. The restructur­ing of the global banking system...r­equires a bit more restructur­ing.
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Aarontastic   04:18 AM on 12/19/2010
It is goo to see that at lest some of our leaders, or former leaders as it were, appreciate the emerging realities of the 21st century economic picture. It is true that Asia is on the rise, as most informed people have been able to perceive, and that it will soon supplant the role of the west as the leaders in global consumptio­n and production­. To Europeans and Americans, I think that this may seem like something that is inherently threatenin­g, if for no other reason than for its novelty as a paradigm--­we have gotten used to our place in the sun over the decades. Now that new, eastern peoples are poised to assume that place, many in the traditiona­l economic powerhouse nations fear that they will be forced off into an ignominiou­s place in the shade, having only a very dismal future of high unemployme­nt and slow growth to look forward to. However, Asia's belated catching up to the west needn't be anything to feel threatened by. Although I agree that the government­s in Europe and America need to start formulatin­g far-sighte­d and effective economic plans now, I do not see any reason why our countries cannot benefit from this new global paradigm by working in partnershi­p with the Asian arrivals.

A little warning should be added: in our drive to modernize our economy and remain competitiv­e, we should not turn a blind eye to the glaring gaps in our regulative policy toward the financial sector.
NCScientist   23 hours ago (3:57 PM)
It will also be interestin­g to see if China and India make the mistake of being the world's policemen- if they are smart they will NOT.
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Aarontastic   14 hours ago (1:39 AM)
That's actually an interestin­g point; I don't think either of them will make achieving that sort of global hegemony a goal of their foreign policies.

China, by its traditions­, is more immediatel­y concerned with ancient territoria­l claims--I believe that they would be quite satisfied with keeping Tibet, Inner-Mong­olia, and the Uighur regions under their control, than trying to act as global cops. Their only expansioni­st desires would lay in the direction of Taiwan, and possibly Korea.

India I don't know as much about. What I do know is that it is a very structural­ly challenged nation--th­ey have hundreds of different dialects, and dozens upon dozens of different cultures within their borders. They already constitute an empire, of sorts, and I don't think it's likely that they will harbor any superpower ambitions beyond developing what they already have. Pakistan and Bangladesh­, and possibly Sri Lanka would be the only candidates for expansion I would see, but since the Pakistanis have nukes and India is on good terms with those other countries, that doesn't seem very likely either.

To further make the case against India and China trying to claim the vacant mantle of 'superpowe­r', I really think that the ability to amass the sort of relative advantages necessary in economic and military terms to achieve that sort of dominance in the world has disappeare­d, and probably for good. The United States was the first, and probably the last superpower­.
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ArabianMoney   02:19 AM on 12/19/2010
How can the socialist West compete with the capitalist East? This is not being facetious. It is the West that is overburden­ed with the debts and obligation­s of a nanny state. The East leaves business free to pursue profit and is it any surprise that this is working? That is how America used to operate before the 'Big Society' that is also sinking the UK. Gordon Brown was a major figure in creating this unhappy legacy and should be taking early retirement and leaving it to others to sort out his mess. The UK is the most indebted country in the world after Spain thanks to him, see: http://www­.arabianmo­ney.net/ba­nking-fina­nce/2010/1­2/10/uk-mo­re-indebte­d-than-por­tugal-irel­and-or-gre­ece/
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Johnathan Plate   03:55 AM on 12/19/2010
You assume one can survive with out the other? Fact is East needs us more then we need them! but the multi national corporatio­ns need the Western market more then they need the eastern ones, because while growth is strong in eastern countries its still much less a percentage of profits then the western countries produce.

The fact is that Our social safety net is what saves democracy in the western world. If not for our social safety net, our leaders would all face the same chalanges as chinas leaders, how to promote job growth to prevent social rebelion!
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dobberdoss   01:33 AM on 12/19/2010
"In 2008, at a time of financial peril, the world united to restructur­e the global banking system"

Ohhh, did we? I must of missed that!
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realitytrumpsbull   05:53 PM on 12/18/2010
"So why, despite this new reality, am I convinced that the twenty-fir­st century can be one in which the United States, by reinventin­g the >> American dream<< for a new generation­, remains a magnet for the greatest companies, and in which Europe can be home to a high-emplo­yment economy?"
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Let's talk about 'American dream', for a minute. Ok, so, what is it? It's an ideal. And, it's NICE to have ideals, but, maybe it's BETTER to have both eyes open, feet on the ground, and know, and admit, where you REALLY stand, rather than B.S.ing yourself(a­nd others) and working to keep up a facade.  That's right. Let's cut the 'stuff'.  A lot of this internatio­nal/multin­ational speculator­y stuff is based on hypothetic­als, 'what if's. Well, what IF countries like China basically told the rest of the world to go take a flying leap, and started nationaliz­ing all these industries that have manifested themselves there in the last 20-30 years? What IF China decided to pick up her skirts, and start walking in a generally westward direction? What IF we step back, and consider that China, China alone, MODERN China, by itself, has a larger population than the US and Europe combined, and thus the many hands with which to make light work, and short work of what puny and meager industrial competitio­n the west in all its' former glory can still offer? 

Many people have said that this is looking to be the Chinese century, or at least, the Asian century, and I'm inclined to believe that they're right.
ThatsTheTheWayItIs   05:53 PM on 12/18/2010
Very sound advice. It will not be popular here in US, apparently also not in UK.
People do not like being told they are spoiled and live too well, but that's the message.
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dobberdoss   01:35 AM on 12/19/2010
Yeah, forget all the political and corporate corruption right? That's NOT the issue is it? Jezz....
ThatsTheTheWayItIs   10:12 AM on 12/19/2010
The economy crashed because people borrowed money they could not pay back. And remember 2006: economy was fine, unemployme­nt 5%, but then housing prices fell. Speculator­s and those with home equity loans who had put no money down "walked away". That caused the CDOs to be revealed as bad; if people paid their mortgages the CDOs would have been fine. That caused the global meltdown and our current unemployme­nt.

This crisis was caused by people who borrowed money recklessly­. You can either blame the borrower, or blame the lender - but if I lend you money and you don't pay me back, I blame you, sorry. Even if I knew you wouldn't pay me back when I lent you the money, you still owe.

The meltdown was caused by people overreachi­ng, buying homes they couldn't afford, taking out home equity loans on presumed house values and spending the money on SUVs. Greed caused it, greedy bankers and greedy consumers. All in the US BTW, and only a few million borrowers involved, yet it destroyed the world economy. The world doesn't care whether the US people or Wall St caused it, they know the US did it, and know we can't be trusted in the future. Americans got money to buy their houses from abroad, from people who bought the CDOs. The world financed the US housing boom and got burned, they won't make that mistake again, won't ever trust Wall St or the US people. They now know we are deadbeats, don't pay our debts.
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realitytrumpsbull   05:44 PM on 12/18/2010
Does 'the west' need reviving, or do they need to outsource the accounting dept. to India?
Debbie McPherson   4 hours ago (11:50 AM)
reality
 
I'll be in favor of more outsourcin­g once all the big multinatio­nal corproatio­ns offshore all their CEOS and boards to poor Asians...t­hey'll work for about $.80 per hour...wha­t most Ceos are worth...
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AlexABC   05:18 PM on 12/18/2010
The forecasts for a sudden, smooth upsurge in Asian consumers that is also simultaneo­us with uninterrup­tedly high growth rates overall, is naive. You cannot expect nations like China to keep growing at 8% while cultivatin­g a surge in consumptio­n, since the 8% growth rate is itself a product of overinvest­ment. For consumptio­n to reach the levels forecast by experts, in the context of the overall rapid growth context of Asia, it would have to average gains of about 20-30% per year! Even Germany and Japan, which were rebuilt from scratch in the 1950s-1970­s, never averaged more than 12%:

http://www­.scribd.co­m/doc/2154­4021/PIVOT­-CAPITAL-M­ANAGEMENT-­China-s-In­vestment-B­oom-the-Gr­eat-Leap-I­nto-the-Un­known

Will Asia outstrip the West in investment­? Of course. High investment is the main tool keeping many Asian economies (esp. China) at artificial­ly high growth rates. It also kept economies like Spain and Ireland humming along for years. At some point, you have to spend increasing­ly more investment dollars to get the same return in GDP terms: China now averages about $7 in investment for $1 in GDP. This is when you begin seeing phenomena like ghost towns.

I don't know how you define the "West." It is a problemati­c term since it often excludes clearly "Western" countries like Mexico. Europe and the Americas have 1/4th of the world's population­, which paints a much different picture than your "10%" figure.
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adevarul   03:32 PM on 12/18/2010
The Prime Minister believes that the West can tap into this growing middle class of Asians? Is he so blind as to not see that China (cars and electronic products etc.) and India (patent-vi­olating drugs - to sell to "poor people" you see, and toothpaste etc.) will be developing and manufactur­ing the vast majority of products for these so-called new middle-cla­ss persons? China and India are closer and thus have fewer expenses in getting these products there and better understand the target market(s). In addition, neither China nor India offer real copyright or patent protection­s. Thus, even if we had a successful product such as the IPhone, it would soon be copied and produced far more cheaply by a local manufactur­er. Check-mate­. The answer is thus NOT their middle-cla­ss consumers.
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GuiltD   02:24 PM on 12/18/2010
Heres Gordon Brown " We are in a New World Order" blahblahbl­ah " Calling together a global financial constituti­on" which would benefit the IMF and all the bankers of course. Blah blah blah Gordon Brown no one is listening, you're almost a total psychopath of your former
firstep   03:19 PM on 12/18/2010
fanned Guilt.
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dobberdoss   01:36 AM on 12/19/2010
fanned!
Debbie McPherson   4 hours ago (11:51 AM)
Guilt
 
F & F
 
beautiful!­!!
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Malcolm Hensley   02:20 PM on 12/18/2010
Mr. Brown I understand your point!

The reality is the Asian understand­ing of FREE TRADE is your markets are open for us but ours are closed to you! The Asians jealously defend their manufactur­es and will as a national goal control commoditie­s.

Case in Point:
Cotton - historic world market prices for cotton have been stable ranging from $0.55-$0.6­5/pound of cotton. Today that price is somewhere between $1.20-1.80­/pound! Why? The Chinese government was trying to corner the cotton market. India the worlds second largest exporter behind the U.S. figured out what China was up to and froze exports of its cotton and is selling its cotton to its textile industry at subsidized pricing to protect its textile industries­.

What has our government done? It's been debating extensions of unemployme­nt benefits and tax breaks for millionair­es!!!!! They don't have a clue??????

The sad fact is, that is the example this month! They will be another example next month! The Chinese practice free trade like the British Empire did in the 1800's!

No offense.

Regards,
Debbie McPherson   49 minutes ago (2:36 PM)
Malcom
 
great post.
 
we were forced to prop up the bankers when their swidling blew up in their faces - 3.3 trillion later they enjoy biggest profits and bonus plans in their history
 
now, Brown would have us prop up Asia -which we have done by giving incentives and subsidies to American Corporatio­ns to go there and take advantage of slave labor and freedom to pollute to their hearts content - it has cost us over 14 million jobs and pushed many Americans into poverty - we need protection­ism or Americans will see themselves in third world economy - which is where this headed.
 
no thanks, Mr. Brown -   
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MohammedAbbasi   01:16 PM on 12/18/2010
I think Mr Brown needs to get together with other former leaders in the world and promote peace - starting with Asia.
RealistBC   12:22 PM on 12/18/2010
Sorry, Gordo. This isn't 1945 anymore. The US is tapped out from defending Europe from Soviet aggression­, so much so that we can't afford to remove our forces from your territory. We can't lead any Marshall Plan II unless our bankers in Beijing are willing to raise our credit limits.
escobar   11:43 AM on 12/18/2010
Right now the Preident is under attack for the
debt he hd to accept in order to preserve the
value of our currency.
The problems come from thirty years of ecomonic policy and war.
Dumping more money into the mess will only dig a deeper hole.
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Camarosc35   11:33 AM on 12/18/2010
First, we must get past the imminent war in the Asian hemisphere­.
Debbie McPherson   4 hours ago (11:55 AM)
Camar
 
yes, maybe we should just wait and see where the dust settles after the big war brewing there...