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Australia's election stalemate: another headache for Nick Clegg?

Poll result adds to a list of woes for the Lib Dem leader including rumours of defections to Labour and growing signs of discontent

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Nick Clegg. Photograph: Lewis Whyld/PA

What should we all be making of the flurry of weekend rumours about Charles Kennedy-led defections from the Liberal Democrats to Labour? Though I reported this development during my annual August stint on the news rota, it was a matter of duty. I don't think it will happen. The Australian election result complicates matters too.

No one denies that there are problems looming for the Lib Dems inside the coalition, as events of recent days have underlined. As Jackie Ashley notes in her Guardian column today, Simon Hughes – the unofficial leader of the internal opposition – got cross about Michael Gove's "free" school policy and demanded party vetoes.

Then there was the problem over Sir Philip Green's appointment to look at Whitehall waste. Apart from being a loudmouth bit of City rough who famously abused the then-Guardian City editor Paul Murphy on the suspicion he might be Irish, Green is keen to avoid his family wasting too much money on tax: his wife, who lives in tax-lite Monaco, owns much of their wealth. Sir Phil sees her at weekends.

Why do they do it, inflict family separation, residence in Switzerland and other miseries on themselves, just to save money when they're far too wealthy to spend it all in one lifetime?

A chum who worries about this sort of thing tells me that one über-rich contact explained that when you are REALLY rich the only way you can test how good you still are is by seeing how much you can keep from the taxman. Sad or what? Bill Gates, the rich man's rich man, knows better: he gives it away.

Green's appointment niggled Lib Dems, including Clegg, who said at the weekend that he looked forward to Phil's report and that he wouldn't be around long. Tory chums tell me the party is too careless about CVs and that David Cameron, who controls his party machine (always a mistake), is a bit lazy on detail.

So we're seeing signs of discontent. The Times reports this morning that Clegg and his health team will be challenged at their party conference in Liverpool next month over the coalition's plans to hand over £60bn worth of NHS commissioning to unaccountable GPs, all part of Andrew Lansley's vision of workers' control. So you can add that to the list of woes.

Yet I can't see Charlie Kennedy, an MP since 1983 when he was 23, first SDP then Lib Dem, party leader between 1999-2006 (Paddy Ashdown wasn't keen on him), leading a bulk defection as the Michael Ashcroft-owned PoliticsHome website first reported – and Labour grabbed with speed.

It happened, as we reported on Friday, that Ed Miliband, chasing brother David for the Labour leadership, was making overtures, threats of "extinction" too, to Lib Dem supporters in Scotland as the rumour surfaced and has since said he'd welcome defectors with open arms.

I'm sure he'll get some too, as the coalition's cuts take their toll. Today's FT carries analysis – behind the paywall, sadly – suggesting the budget strategy is indeed unfair to the poor. That matters to many Lib Dems, including Kennedy, whose character is shaped by a Highland sense of social justice – and Ming Campbell, whose family were Glasgow Labour.

But what's much more likely to happen, says me, is that the Lib Dems will split in a major crisis – which one, I don't know – and that Kennedy, still nursing his leadership hopes, still only 50, has positioned himself to take up the party standard if Nick Clegg and the free-market wing – the "Orange Book" Lib Dems – stick with the coalition deal, come economic hell or rising sea levels.

Why? Because that's what happened – twice – during the past century, after the 1916-18 war coalition fractured and after the 1931 economic coalition. By the time Winston Churchill's cross-party 1940-45 coalition ended, there was only a taxi-full of Liberal MPs left.

The party spent 50 years in rehab only to gamble its accumulated savings on 11 May. It could work and keep them in power for years, but a split is a serious option. If so, could Lib Dem activists link up with "the party of Iraq" quite so soon, even under a new leader? I doubt it. Principle, priggery, call it what you will.

Jackie Ashley argues today that Labour risks ruining a future relationship with the Lib Dems – something which will be advocated at Clegg's conference, so we hear; it's a more natural partnership – by being horrid to them now.

Well, it's better than ignoring them, as much Guardian political analysis did in the boom Blair years. Ashley points to the amicable tone of the coalition's internal workings so far as proof that times have changed. Hmm.

That requires us to exclude Iain Duncan Smith's promising shouting match with George Osborne over welfare cuts (and his two threats to resign, reported today) and other tiffs. Myself, I think that honeymoons are honeymoons: they end. Day-to-day politics involves shouting and skulduggery, just like football, banking or religion.

But Ashley is right to make the connection with the Australian election, fought under an alternative vote (AV) voting system of the kind Clegg will advocate in May's referendum – and do so against the smart, populist 'no' vote leadership of Matthew Elliott, brains behind the TaxAvoiders' Alliance.

As you know, it produced a stalemate yet to be resolved. My take is that – as in Britain – a government which loses its pre-existing majority has lost. So I don't rate Labor PM Julia Gillard's chances of hanging on to power with the help of backwoodsfolk and Greens, tree-huggers of a different hue.

It's a pity that Tony Abbott, the Oz Tory leader, sounds like a serious plonker. Much of Oz is crisping like fried bacon; it doesn't need an anti-climate change PM in 2010. But that's their problem, not ours, not directly, though we are all in this together, as the coalition likes to say.

Jackie Ashley is also right to remind those who advocated (we're not all guilty around here, Jackie) the overthrow of Gordon Brown by a supposedly more voter-friendly Labour colleague last year, that this plan would not have worked if Gillard's experience is any guide, which it probably is.

Either way, the Australian drama of a hung parliament will now get more attention as it unfolds. It may be just fine, as the Electoral Reform Society was quick to suggest yesterday (voters got what they wanted, it says), but there again, perhaps not. Matthew Elliott and the 'no' campaign will be watching too.

It's another problem beyond his control for Nick Clegg to worry about.


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  • LiberalSweden LiberalSweden

    23 Aug 2010, 1:32PM

    Why would a hung parliament in Oz mean that we should not reform the voting system in the UK?
    People there got what they voted for. Do people want the party that gets a few more votes than the second party to have 100% power (good if you approve of unfettered power I guess)
    People in the UK got what they voted for. For the first time in 65 years the parties in government got more that 50% of the votes, and Brown got thrown out too. Result! But, this time it was only by chance. Reforming the voting system would allow voters to actually get what they want more often. That's good isn't it? or do some people think that voters should not have what they want! (shame on you)

  • ch27 ch27

    23 Aug 2010, 1:36PM

    It is true that the LibDem Party is a coalition in itself, with people like Hughes and Kennedy on the left side and Clegg leading the main bulk of the party down the centre. However, the Labour and Conservative Parties are also broad coalitions. What we have seen in recent months is the centre portions of the Conservative and LibDem parties coming together, and this is causing friction with people on the two wings.

    What will happen over the next few years is anyone's guess. The longer the coalition survives (and I fancy it will go the full five-year term) the more disaffected those people on the wings will become. I don't see the Labour Party finding a new sense of direction in the meantime, so we could well find some of its more moderate members leaning towards the coalition. Adjustments to constituency boundaries and a solution to the West Lothian question will marginalise the Labour Party further.

    Could we end up with a realignment of politics in Britain? Yes, I think we could. If the current economic policy is seen to be working and the effects of a more libertarian society are beginning to be felt, I can see Cameron and Clegg creating a formal coalition before the next election, embracing some of the more moderate members of the Labour Party and allowing two new right (Tory) and left (Socialist) parties to be formed.

  • DaiMarden DaiMarden

    23 Aug 2010, 1:53PM

    " If so, could Lib Dem activists link up with "the party of Iraq" quite so soon, even under a new leader? I doubt it. Principle, priggery, call it what you will."

    LibDems really need to drop their sanctimonious line on this. Who led the opposition to the war in Iraq? Well in terms of the majority of MPs' votes and speeches in Parliament, it was Labour numerically. In terms of the non-nut-bags in the STWC it was Robin Cook, Tony Benn (and with the nut bags it was then Labour Galloway) andthe wider labour movement in the unions (both affiliated and otherwise). Hell, go through those marches, I'd estiamte the majority of party card holders were Labour. If it wasn't for Labour members there would have been a piddling anti-war movement! (though of course, there wouldn't have been a war also...)

    The issue isn't a Labour vs. Lib position, it was far far more complex - a complexity people liek to hide from and distort. So when LibDems play whiter than white with Iraq and continue use it as an excuse to support the hideously unequal economic policies of their coalition, the destuction of lives, the ruining of our welfare state (think the hand wringing of Kamphner here recently) they need to snap out of it pronto. IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID! IT'S OUR WELFARE STATE!

    Iraq? Really!? Jebus.

  • classm classm

    23 Aug 2010, 2:00PM

    You've got to dance with the one that brung you - and that is Clegg's problem. When the party's over, I fear his Party will be over.

    Given the way the LibDems have played this coalition I hope so. I doubt the electorate will trust Clegg again:
    - Duplicity - Cuts; Lies; Increase in vat
    - Sneaky - No mention of Orange Book
    - Holier than thou- Laws cheating expenses -Clegg defeding and desperate to bring the hypocrite back.
    - Feeble - No challenge to Tort ideology
    - Spineless - No challenge to Green appointment
    Etc

  • lankybloke lankybloke

    23 Aug 2010, 2:02PM

    "I can see Cameron and Clegg creating a formal coalition before the next election"

    I read something the other day that quite amused me - along those very lines.

    Cameron and Clegg are deep in discussion, trying to come up with a name for their new creation: "I know" says Dave, "let's take bits from the names of the existing bodies, and combine them into the new name!"

    "Great!" replies Nick, "What do you suggest?"

    "Well," says the direct descendant of George IV, "From our side we'll have the word 'Conservative' and from your side we'll have the word 'Party' "

  • Boslow Boslow

    23 Aug 2010, 2:11PM

    To be honest the Lib Dems were never going to be elected into power.

    They are in the coalition now on the back of a unique set of circumstances. Things are going well for the new government, but the Lib Dems won't get the credit. We can all see their contribution...like the proposed tax for people who work to park their cars on company property, whilst the the great unwashed ride around on the buses paid for by this tax.

    No, there is no future for the Lib Dems, any more than there is for Labour.

  • Bizbuz Bizbuz

    23 Aug 2010, 2:15PM

    People in the UK got what they voted for. For the first time in 65 years the parties in government got more that 50% of the votes,

    No they didn't. If Nick Clegg was honest before the polls his party would have ended with a lot less votes. Nick stole the votes of many like me by LYING. This Coalition government does not have more than 50% of the votes because some of them were STOLEN.

  • AigburthUncle AigburthUncle

    23 Aug 2010, 2:24PM

    @CH27

    I'm afraid your last posting was a combination of wishful thinking and cloud-cuckoo land.

    The LibDem's will fracture once the excesses of the Tories and their Orange Booker friends begin to hurt. What odds on a jobless recovery?

    The LibDems pride themselves on local democracy, so when they start to take heavy losses in Local Elections their grass roots will become restless and/or fade away.

    The 30 years plus strategy of attacking Labour at the grassroots will be undone in 12 months. Roll on next May.

  • eagle12 eagle12

    23 Aug 2010, 2:47PM

    This callous coalition government only happened over 100 days or so, they think they can do better,; but I say NO

    After all the lies that Cam-Con & leader Dem-RAT made us believe; hold NO SHAME or GUILT and with NO-ONE for us on hand to appease the amount of further mountain frustration - I FEAR for the future as many other's in the same frame of mind as my-self.

  • LiberalSweden LiberalSweden

    23 Aug 2010, 3:10PM

    Bizbuz During the election the LibDems said that the party with the most votes and seats would have the right to seek to form a government and that the LibDems would try to work with them to achieve its four main aims (Some are on course, lets see what happens to the others). The LibDems tried to talk with Labour, but they were never going to be able to do it. Brown resigned, remember, and Cameron was prime minister before the agreement was complete. The alternative would be Tories ruling alone, until another election called when the polls looked good for them.

    The LibDems did not lie about the possibility of forming a coalition with other paries. It was on the cards all through the election.

  • carren carren

    23 Aug 2010, 3:12PM

    Clegg has failed! There is no alternative.

    There is a simple choice: The Conservatives or Labour.

    Camerons pre-election rhetoric belated the proposed action on 'Porous Borders', the lack of equipment for the troops etc.
    Is the Cap in place? No.
    Have the troops been supplied with the necessary equipment? No.

    The Tories are still spouting their disinformation. The latest candidate is the Audit Commission.
    The facts are not quite as presented. The annual cost of £41k on flowers is a total cost over the 35 offices for the year.
    The £8k spent at the race course was to hire the premises for a training course for auditors and was held on non race days.

    Same old Tories. Remember it was Hesseltine that created the Audit Quango of the Audit Commission although I doubt whether that will be mentioned.

  • LiberalSweden LiberalSweden

    23 Aug 2010, 3:19PM

    DaiMarden You talk about Labour being the leading light of the opposition to the war, so the LibDems should stop being sanctimonious. That's rich! Most of those anti war Labour folks supported Blair and Brown in much of their assault on civil liberties and the economy, and were happy to keep them in power after they decided to go with Bush and attack Iraq.

    Most of the LibDems opposed the stupid war from the start (not all of course, but most).

    In any case, who cares who lead what. The fact is, most of the current Labour leadership supported what may be an illegal invasion of another country, that has cost many lives and cost a fortune. If the UK had not spent that money, exactly how much debt would the UK have today?

    I agree there is a liberal wing of the Labour party, but it has been rather silent and ineffectual in the last 13 years

  • jimmyroy jimmyroy

    23 Aug 2010, 3:19PM

    BOSLOW: { THINGS HAVE BEEN GOING WELL FOR THE NEW GOVERNMENT}? Where the hell have you been for the last 100 days? it's the worst start for any government that i can remember, and i can remember back to the 50's.

  • LiberalSweden LiberalSweden

    23 Aug 2010, 3:26PM

    carren

    There is no alternative.

    Same old illiberal crap. Still these old message to people - you are only allowed to think one way or the other. You are not allowed to think for yourself.

    There are millions of people out there who think this kind of thinking is just immature rubbish, and I hope they go out and vote for AV next year to prove you wrong.

  • Drypoint Drypoint

    23 Aug 2010, 3:36PM

    The annual cost of £41k on flowers is a total cost over the 35 offices for the year.

    That's still over £1000 a year per office. If you're earning £25,000 and being taxed to penury (as everyone on that sort of money still is), it looks a lot. Just pick some daffs out of the garden.

  • DarranLea DarranLea

    23 Aug 2010, 4:41PM

    Drypoint: -

    I earn approx £25k - you pay roughly 30% tax and NI? That is taxed to penury?

    People like you amaze me - you actually think that the current government is helping you? You're not even on their radar. You're just a pleb like the rest of us.

    I suppose they got you angry enough to vote for them - congratulations

  • Drypoint Drypoint

    23 Aug 2010, 5:08PM

    DarranLea,

    What about all the indirect taxes like 80+% on fuel, VAT, drink duty? The list is endless. You may want to work until early June every year just to pay tax, but I don't. Sorry if you think that's selfish.

    I am a pleb and proud to be one but I don't expect the Government to spend another penny on me - i don't think that's what government is for. It should just govern effectively and not try to bribe the electorate with its own money.

    And no, I didn't vote Tory. But it's not just Tories who are angry with the way Brown turned our economy into a debt-ridden zombie with whole tracts of the country dependent on government spending.

  • sickboy47 sickboy47

    23 Aug 2010, 5:41PM

    @Drypoint

    You may want to work until early June every year just to pay tax, but I don't.

    given that you claim you can remember back to the 50's "nearly", whatever that means, you'll be retiring soon. I assume you don't want a pension? After all, you don't want to be dependant on government spending?

  • Drypoint Drypoint

    23 Aug 2010, 6:17PM

    I mean I can remember it being New Years Day 1960 but no further back, so nearly is very precise.

    And no I won't be retiring soon - but then I'm self-employed and don't want to. In any case we've all been too busy paying taxes for ridiculously generous public sector pensions to be able to save much.

  • JJ26 JJ26

    23 Aug 2010, 7:09PM

    This Conservative coalition was a mistake. Clegg would have been better advised to operate a far looser arrangement in allowing a Conservative minority government.

    In this way, the Lib Dem bargaining position would have been greater. In locking themselves into a formal Coalition it has made it much more difficult for principled to oppose some of the radical and wilder policies of the Conservatives.

    Clegg had a winning hand but he has gambled 50 years of Liberal Democrat rebuilding for policies a large amount of his MPs don't agree with.

    What a shame. It is also a massive shame for the country who could have actually received the kind of government they voted for. A Conservative government with its more extreme polices prevented by a Liberal Democrat / Labour counterweight.

  • JJ26 JJ26

    23 Aug 2010, 7:11PM

    Clegg has also seriously undermined the credability of the Lib Dems and a change in the system for multi party proportional represenation that would allow them to play a greater part in government as they appear to have no priniciples other than a desire for power.

  • RDRDR RDRDR

    23 Aug 2010, 7:13PM

    Erm, Australia has had AV since 1918 and is a good example of why AV is a wholly inadequate substitute for PR. This is their first hung parliament since 1940.

  • JJ26 JJ26

    23 Aug 2010, 7:16PM

    This Conservative coalition was a mistake. Clegg would have been better advised to operate a far looser arrangement in allowing a Conservative minority government.

    In this way, the Lib Dem bargaining position would have been greater. In locking themselves into a formal Coalition it has made it much more difficult for principled Lib Dems to oppose some of the more radical and wilder policies of the Conservatives.

    Clegg had a winning hand but he has gambled 50 years of Liberal Democrat rebuilding for policies a large amount of his MPs and party members don't agree with. An economic gamble which may result in great damage for the country and the Lib Dems out of power for a further 50 years.

    What a shame. It is also a massive shame for the country who could have actually received the kind of government they voted for. A Conservative government with its more extreme polices prevented by a Liberal Democrat / Labour counterweight.

  • JJ26 JJ26

    23 Aug 2010, 7:38PM

    RDRDR

    23 Aug 2010, 7:13PM

    Erm, Australia has had AV since 1918 and is a good example of why AV is a wholly inadequate substitute for PR. This is their first hung parliament since 1940.

    ----------------------------------

    Thanks RDRDR. I am very tired after work. I have a feeling that this Conservative Alliance Government will help me out with that and soon I will have lots of free time to consider and post !

  • JJ26 JJ26

    23 Aug 2010, 7:53PM

    Liberal Sweden

    People in the UK got what they voted for. For the first time in 65 years the parties in government got more that 50% of the votes, and Brown got thrown out too.
    ------------------------------------------------
    I disgree entirely with this comment. People did not vote for a radical conservative government. People voted for a Conservative government without a overall majority so that the other parties, including the liberals could prevent the Tory wilder measures.

    This is not what happened. Clegg has locked the Lib Dems into an alliance where they cannot seriously oppose the Conservative government. Supporting a minority government would have been far better and allowed the Lib Dems to carry out the wishes of the electorate.

  • JJ26 JJ26

    23 Aug 2010, 7:54PM

    Finally. My last comment

    Liberal Sweden
    ---------------------------------------------------
    Reforming the voting system would allow voters to actually get what they want more often. That's good isn't it?
    --------------------------------------------------------

    Disagree with this as well.

    In behaving in such an unprincipled manner Nick Clegg has seriously undermined people’s faith that a change in the voting system will allow for greater democracy. This hung parliament has created a situation where the Conservative Democratic Alliance is bringing a level of cuts and change that is not mandated.

    In doing so it has created great damage to the idea of electoral reform.

  • hacklesup hacklesup

    23 Aug 2010, 8:09PM

    JJ26

    Excellent post.

    After Clegg's slippery and devious approach to policies in government I would be very surprised if the average voter will feel inclined to support his AV referendum,

  • Remake Remake

    23 Aug 2010, 8:35PM

    Yeah lets heap shite loads more pressure on "Deputy Dawg" Clegg, he is a charlatan,the man admits to "changing his mind" [ lying ] during the election run up on too many issues to mention,it would be no surprise to read next week that he really eff--g hates everything about football and he's truthfully got a soft spot for the "Ruskies" World Cup bid, he must have gagged on his words when he said something positive about the Labour administration today.

  • fortyniner fortyniner

    24 Aug 2010, 5:55AM

    This is all silly season talk. The current political and economic situation poses problems for all parties.

    The reality is that the public finances have a huge hole - £150bn or so - which must be filled. how do you do it? The current coalition have the task and will be perceived as "wrong" whatever they do. Labour, who must bear a large responsibility for teh state we are in, seem to be in denial.

    I suspect no party will come out well from this exercise. Having built up the voters over many years to expect handouts from government, and to give the illusion that there is such a thing as a "free lunch" after all, they are being hoist with their own petard.

    There are two ways to balance the public finances. Cut spending or put up taxes - or a combination of the two. Our problem as a nation is that we want our cake and eat it. We are not prepared to earn, let alone pay for, the public sector to which we aspire.

    The state that we are in is a reflection on all of us as voters. We get the politicians we deserve - as we found out in the expenses scandal.

  • fibmac70 fibmac70

    24 Aug 2010, 7:46AM

    It happened, as we reported on Friday, that Ed Miliband, chasing brother David for the Labour leadership, was making overtures, threats of "extinction" too, to Lib Dem supporters in Scotland as the rumour surfaced and has since said he'd welcome defectors with open arms

    Get real, Ed. Did you mean what you originally said ?
    Are you trying to woo us or screw us ?

  • deltahotel deltahotel

    24 Aug 2010, 9:14AM

    "Today's FT carries analysis – behind the paywall, sadly – suggesting the budget strategy is indeed unfair to the poor."

    And 75% of the poor are women and children.

  • blueporcupine blueporcupine

    24 Aug 2010, 10:16AM

    Contributor Contributor

    It bears pointing out that people have been predicting the terminal split/collapse of the Lib Dems for over twenty years. At the very least, it's an argument that needs to be made rather than asserted, I think. And no, angry arguments at conference won't cut it as an argument - it's called democracy. The media has been reporting angry arguments at Lib Dem conference as "splits" for years, and apparently never stop to wonder why the expected follow-through realignments don't happen.

    But then I think a number of things over the past few years have been "obvious" to non-liberal left-wingers that don't bear any relation to reality, notably the belief that the Lib Dems are really just an annexe of the Labour party. The talk of Orange Bookers being just like Tories belongs in the same camp. The common factor in all these is the non-liberal left's inability (often very dismissively expressed) to grasp what binds liberals of various stripes together.

  • MikeWhitereplies MikeWhitereplies

    24 Aug 2010, 10:53AM

    Staff Staff

    an interesting spread of posts here, lots of valid points. I don't claim to be confident about how the coalition will develop. I expected the Tories to form a minority government with what one poster calls a "looser" - that's looser, not loser - arrangement with the LDs after May 6.

    But the coalition's ambitious plans to cut back state activity on the scale envisaged does make it both politically and economically risky, much more so for Nick Clegg than for David Cameron. No, I don't expect LD defections, a split at some stage is more likely, though that may not happen either.

    Australia? I didn't know it took up AV as early as 1918 when Britain too came close to adopting it. And yes, this is the first hung parliament since 1940, which must be roughly when the Menzies hegemony started.

    What I did say - and still do - is that the drama in Oz may unfold to Clegg's advantage or disadvantage. One can never tell, but it's beyond his control.

  • jpowls jpowls

    24 Aug 2010, 11:49AM

    I can't see the link between what is happening down under and the fortunes of the coalition government.

    I think there is a valid point, which highlights what has been said in this country about a move to AV, in that it will create more coalitions in the country, as is the case with other, more proportional voting models.

    The experience that Australia has had with AV, if anything proves that coalitions are less likely and the recent snap election is the exception rather than the rule in needing a coalition to form a government. The coming coalition will be the first in 70 years, so it is hardly a system that has created more coalitions there.

    So do the Lib Dems want a voting system that makes coalitions less likely? This again questions the reasons why Clegg has agreed to the miserable little compromise, that he claims AV is.

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