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Will the Lib Dems get their “Ace of Spades”?.

Monday, February 28th, 2005


    Betting opens on Folkestone

How well will the Lib Dems do with their decapitation target number one - Michael Howard? Do they have any chance at all making serious inroads into the Tory leader’s majority in Folkestone?

If you think that they do then a new market offers 2/1 against the Tory leader’s majority being cut. It’s 4/11 on Howards majority increasing.

    So the LDs don’t have to take the seat - just reduce the majority

There is a similar market on Tony Blair but the odds are not as encouraging for the Labour leader. It’s 8/11 on Blair’s Sedgefield majority decreasing with evens on it increasing.

For online links click here. Blair’s majority in Sedgefield.
Howard’s majority in Folkestone.
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© Mike Smithson 2005



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Can site regular Mark win where John Prescott hit out?

Monday, February 28th, 2005

Frequent site contributor, Mark Jones - we know him a CymruMark - has asked if he can announce his canditature for Plaid Cymru in the Vale of Clwyd on Politicalbetting.

Rhyl, in the constituency, came to prominence last time because it was there that John Prescott got involved in his famous punch up.

Mark said: I chose to launch on political betting .com because it has become the key site on the internet to discuss possible outcomes for the general election. It attracts many top political commentators, and academics, as well as MPs. It has a huge amount of traffic and as I wanted to ensure Wales is at the centre of the general election debate I thought it the best place to make the public announcement of my candidacy

Mark David Jones - a 40 year old local government officer has a colourful political history having been first a Liberal and then Liberal Democrat activist in his native Leicester.He now lives in Llandudno.

He fought two general election campaigns as a Lib Dem candidate, Wyre Forest in 1992 and Leicester West in 1997.

Betting odds. Plaid Cymru Seats.
0 - 3 : 4/1 4: 5/45 +: 11/10

NOTE: there will be a limited service on the site until next Monday because I am on holiday,

Mike Smithson



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CR Poll - Lib Dems down to 17%

Saturday, February 26th, 2005


Both the Tories and Labour advance
Communicate Research’s monthly poll for tomorrow’s Independent on Sunday shows only minor changes from last month for the two main parties. The headline figures are LAB 41%(+1):CON 34%(+2): LD 17%(-3)

This equals the lowest poll figure for more than a year for Charles Kennedy’s party and reflects that all the recent campaign skirmishes have been between the two main parties.

CR do not prompt for party choice and do not weight on previous vote recall - both factors that hinder the LDs.

When the LDs advance, as they always do, during the campaign it is likely to be at the expense of Labour. The aggregate share for the two parties has been almost constant in all polls at 58-60%. When the LDs fall Labour rise and vice versa.

So when the LDs come back into the spotlight in the campaign then 5-6% might toggle.

Given the way CR do their polls these are good numbers for Michael Howard. Like other recent surveys UKIP seem to be hardly there.

NOTE I am on holiday until a week on Monday which means there will be a limited service on the site.
Mike Smithson



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Are we being misled by the Baxter seat calculation?

Saturday, February 26th, 2005

    Working the swing out from 1997 - not 2001

The standard way of working how many seats a party will get with a given share of the vote is to use one of the seat calculators, most commonly Martin Baxter’s, which makes its prediction based on applying the suggested uniform national swing to what happened in each of the seats in 2001.

But what happens if instead you compare today’s vote shares with what happened in 1997 when a much younger Tony Blair (above) led New Labour to its stunning landlside victory?


    For 2001 was an extraordinary election for Labour which managed see its margin over the Tories decline by more than a quarter but still be returned with a majority of 160+. This was because the party did so much better in its marginals and the fact there was more tactical voting.

But what happens if these two factors do not happen again on the same scale which seem likely? Why not apply recent poll shares to the 1997 General Election result. This is possible thanks to the Hill & Knowlton 2001 calculator which is still available on-line.

When doing this you have to factor in the fact that there will be fewer seats this time because of the Scottish boundary changes.These are reckoned, on a notional basis, to have “lost” Labour 10 seats and the Tories, Lib Dems and the SNP one seat each.

So taking the February ICM poll of LAB 37: CON 34: LD 21 you get the following from Hill & Knowlton with comparisons on doing the same calculation with Baxter. LAB 336 (-33): CON 215 (+26) : LD 63 (+9).

Thus instead of Baxter’s prediction of a Labour majority of more than 90 Hill & Knowlton, adjusted for Scotland, gives you a Labour majority of just 25.

Which one’s right? Hard to say but the special factors that saw Labour get so many seats for its vote in 2001 won’t exist to the same extent as last time. Making the calculation, as H&N does, on the 1997 result puts today’s uniform national swing predictions into perspective - vital for all those spread-betting.
© Mike Smithson 2005