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'No wonder many transsexual people end up in sex work'

Despite the protection of the Sex Discrimination Act, transgender people often face unfair treatment in the workplace. Juliet Jacques thinks she has been luckier than most

Office workers gossiping by the water cooler
Juliet expected to be the subject of office gossip. Photograph: Bruce T Brown/Getty

Although I'd chosen the cheaper option of transitioning on the NHS, failure to maintain a full-time job could still stop me in my tracks. Appointments at my nearest Gender Identity Clinic (GIC) would be free, as would surgery (with hormones incurring a prescription charge), but there were still essential physical processes that would be expensive, and I was already spending heavily on a new wardrobe that might allow me to pass convincingly. My main concern, though, regarded the pathway itself: specifically, the GIC demand that the 'real life experience' includes full- or part-time employment, voluntary work or study. (This, incidentally, is why transsexual people often work in charity shops.) Unable to sustain myself in voluntary work or further education, it became doubly important to remain employed - preferably somewhere I'd feel comfortable.

Work was the last place I began presenting as female, as I was temping and wasn't certain I'd get another contract. I wanted to stay, as I knew I was in an incredibly fortunate position, working for a public sector organisation that would respect the Sex Discrimination Act, which stops employers discriminating against transsexual people. The presence of another trans woman in the office seemed to confirm this.

I consulted the HR manager and the equality and diversity manager, who assured me that most employees would be supportive, and that I shouldn't let my plans stop me from trying to secure another position (the days of transsexual people being urged to find a new job before changing their gender presentation are, thankfully, past). There was a similar position to mine going. I spoke to the relevant manager, who calmly talked me through everything. "There aren't many men on my team," she told me, apologetically. "Well, it's funny you should say that ..."

So I changed role, returning on Monday as Juliet. I'd emailed everyone I'd worked with, and my new boss had informed her team, but not everyone else knew. At least one person did a double take on seeing me. I'd assumed the matter might have been the subject of office gossip, but perhaps I'd overestimated the newsworthiness of my actions. Once I'd talked them through my situation, my colleagues were sympathetic, stating their intentions to use my new name (and the right pronouns) and to respect my decision.

Briefly, I thought I might almost have been too fortunate: working in healthcare, several colleagues asked if they could discuss the process with me. Not yet, I told them: I'd spoken of little else for weeks and wanted to talk about anything else. Then I got over myself - most transsexuals would love to have such an easy time at work. (And anyway, talking about football seemed less appealing when the one man on our team printed out the weekend's most notable result and stuck it to my monitor.) I noted the contrast with my horrendous previous job with an assurance firm, where conspiratorial comments had been made about a transsexual woman on our floor.

Now I noticed that people seemed keener to talk to me than before, and not just about medical matters. I put this down to the sense of liberation I felt being reflected in my body language, and soon I felt completely at ease with my co-workers.

My main problem was telephone conversation. In person, people saw how I presented and addressed me accordingly; email was pleasingly genderless. On the phone, though, people calling for Juliet (or called by me) often expressed their difficulties with hearing a female name and a male voice. In my quieter moments I began looking at voice therapy options, keen to make my communication less stressful.

That became less pressing, though, when my contract expired without me having lined up another. So I dug out some mid-80s indie classics to accompany my visits to the job centre, fretting about where I might end up. The staff treated me fairly but couldn't find me work, and interviews for other temp jobs proved fruitless. I wondered how much this owed to my gender: the aforementioned Sex Discrimination Act might protect people in work, but does little to prevent employers from passing over transsexual people, as long as this is not their stated reason.

Nor is it impossible for transgendered people to be bullied out of jobs, or be made to feel that they (particularly the way they present themselves) are the problem, upsetting the balance of their workplaces. Although the law allows recourse against this, it's unsurprising that some people feel too worn down, especially when such discrimination extends to spaces as intimate as the bathroom. Perhaps this is why, according to a Count Me In Too survey, 26% of trans people in Brighton and Hove are unemployed (with a further 60% earning less than £10,000 per year), despite the efforts of the Gender Trust and Place at the Table to help transsexual people at work and educate their employers.

Given these difficulties, as well as the fetishisation of the pre-operative male-to-female body, it's unsurprising that many transsexual people have found themselves in sex work - one of the few vocations where supply and demand operates to our financial advantage. Invited to return to the same office after six weeks of signing on, when another temporary position came up, I never had to consider this, but plenty of transsexual women do - including some of my friends - and, for some, the consequences are grave.

So I was back in employment: another sphere in which the parameters are radically different for trans people. To me, anyway, feeling accepted in my environment came above all the other things that many people want from work - a higher salary, a career ladder and so on. I determined that I would never again take a welcoming workplace for granted, whatever the pay, whatever the opportunities, and just felt thankful to feel economically - and socially - secure.


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  • allycloud allycloud

    25 Aug 2010, 12:22PM

    Having read Juliet's articles, I'm struck by how much transexuals are put through in order to prove they are serious about undergoing the process. While I don't doubt its important to make sure that someone is definitely ready and able to change genders its seems that in order to prove that he or she is serious they have to jump through a lot of really difficult "real-life experience" hoops and I wonder what effect these have on the mental wellbeing of the individual

  • Natacha Natacha

    25 Aug 2010, 1:31PM

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    Great article again Juliet!

    It is employment which really is the key area where trans people are discriminated against. I am lucky, like you I was able to come out as transgender (despite not being transsexual and as such not protected by legislation) where I work. But if I had remained a primary school teacher I would have lost my job at the slightest sign of being transgender.

    I think you have hit the nail on the head, this is the most difficult area for all trans people. Whatever rights we may have (or in my case not have) in law, being able to keep the wolf from the door is important for everyone. And as we have seen with two murders of transwomen sex workers last year, sex work has very real dangers for transwomen. As such access to employment is potentially a matter of life and death.

    Well done for getting a new job though...

  • Wezzer Wezzer

    25 Aug 2010, 3:33PM

    Thank you for another inspiring article. Having just read this saddening article, followed by even more depressing comments, it's good to hear that there are understanding and decent people out there like your employers.

  • JulietJacques JulietJacques

    25 Aug 2010, 3:57PM

    @Wezzer, someone pointed that out to me earlier. The discussion below makes YouTube comments look like Tel Quel.

    @allycloud: I'll be covering the relationship between gender dysphoria, the gender change pathway and mental health in a few fortnights' time.

  • Worky Worky

    25 Aug 2010, 3:58PM

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  • claphamleft claphamleft

    25 Aug 2010, 4:17PM

    Worky

    I suggest you go over to the Mail and leave your comments there - you'll feel more at home

    Juliet, an enlightenong series - thank you very much and all the very best

  • Harnser Harnser

    25 Aug 2010, 4:40PM

    Worky, who makes your bed for you? I suspect you might be the sort of person who expects that, and everything else, done for them? No douby you also think "we" should bring back National Service, that young children should be sent up chimneys and are of the "Hitler: Was He ALL Bad?" school of thought. Off you go and play somewhere else, please.

    Great piece Juliet, thought provoking as always.

  • roastpudding roastpudding

    25 Aug 2010, 4:57PM

    There is one reason people end up in sex work and one reason alone. The hours are shorter and the pay is higher than the other options.

    A realisation of this fact would save a number of forests and slim down the Guardian.

  • wankleflip wankleflip

    25 Aug 2010, 5:07PM

    Can't help but think that unresolved issues to do with sex and sexuality, along with chronically low self-esteem, are more likely reasons for a disproportionate tendency to engage in sex-work.

    And yes, I do realise this is a generalisation that does not apply to all; but find it very strange that the author doesn't mention this.

  • ianua ianua

    25 Aug 2010, 5:15PM

    Slightly off topic I know but i just wanted to say to Juliet that i have really enjoyed reading these columns, so although things seem to have gone well in your workplace transition, if the job thing doesn't pan out maybe you could consider a career as a writer :)

  • brooklynowes brooklynowes

    25 Aug 2010, 5:30PM

    I'm confused here - and usually I'm not. Juliet Jaques writes:

    I wondered how much this owed to my gender: the aforementioned Sex Discrimination Act might protect people in work, but does little to prevent employers from passing over transsexual people, as long as this is not their stated reason.

    So do transexual people have the same rights under the Sex Discrimination Act as everyone else? Or do they have superior rights by virtue of them being, as Juliet's article suggests, one day a man and the next a woman? Or are you suggesting Juliet that transexual people should have rights that exceed those that non-transexuals enjoy?

  • Tzinti Tzinti

    25 Aug 2010, 5:35PM

    wankleflip.........you wot? Low self esteem? Pull the other one. Since when do people go to work in the sex industry because they have low self-esteem? Puleeeeeze.

  • ellenbetty ellenbetty

    25 Aug 2010, 5:37PM

    Having attended transsexual support groups meeting, unemployment, fear of loss of job, homelessness, family rejection, donations to provide aid kits for homeless LGBTI persons, are a common subject matter. Here in the US laws against discrimination against the transsxual community are hit and miss. While I have yet to meet someone who is openly involved in sex work, I have read stories about transsexuals in sex work in publications like IFGE magazine. So her article is misleading, since she does not interview some transsexual involved in sex work. But go to any porn shop, or do a unrestriced internet search, and you will find lots of She/male, tranny, porn. So transsexuals in the sex industry, are easy to prove. How many do it in response to a parents who sexually abused them is unknown, but not as common as some people think. Just like joining the military to get away from small town life, going to CA to become a actress, even if that means working in the porn industry is a common story.

  • Crystaltips24 Crystaltips24

    25 Aug 2010, 5:54PM

    From a colleagues perspective - as I actually work with Juliet. A rumour went round on the Friday evening that a person who we worked with was coming back on the Monday as Juliet and should be addressed as such. It caused a flurry of comments which were totally short lived and within a maximum of five minutes it was forgotten.

    Come Monday when our new colleague Juliet arrived at work I can honestly say no one in my team batted an eyelid. Perhaps it was because we live in Brighton where there is a more liberal view of thinking? Or perhaps it is because we work in the public sector where equality and diversity are key. In fact so key that often it comes up in interview questions.

    I think the general consensus of opinion with my colleagues and those of Juliet's were of how brave she was being for taking this massive step in her life. And being a girl myself perhaps we could bond over makeup, hair and clothes. Maybe it is because she has shown such conviction that we are interested to discuss her journey to make ourselves feel more familiar with the process.

    I know I live in constant fear of using the wrong pronouns with Juliet and I'm sure if I went wrong she would laugh it off whilst I would be mortified! I guess I have adopted a think before I speak attitude!

    Juliet is a great friend and colleague and I am so proud of her journey and of her success in writing this column! I wish her every success in her career and in life!

  • Natacha Natacha

    25 Aug 2010, 6:00PM

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    Wocky;

    I believe Juliet has always been female. The fact that she has had to endure life for so long in a male body and still successfully managed to survive and obtain some work is to her credit.

    If I were an intelligent employer I would probably value the experience, tenacity, courage and resourcefulness of a transgender person than that of an intellectually lazy, narrow-minded and unintelligent cisgender person who lacks the imagination and character to put themselves in the position of others.

    Ellenbetty;

    There are plenty of trans people working in the sex industry, and you don't have to go far to find them. The vast majority of them do it either to save money for gender reassignment operations or because there are no other jobs open to them. Unlike people trying to move to California to make it in the film industry, these women usually just want to be themselves, rather than become movie stars. Also, there is a disproportionately high number of male-to-female transsexuals in the military (read "Flight Into Hypermasculinity" by Capt GR Brown). I think belittling the struggles which some transpeople have to go through in order to be themselves is appalling, transgender people are diverse, we come from different socoieconomic classes, races and personal circumstances, and each one of us does what we need to do to survive and be ourselves in the face of a society which does not understand us and is not set up to deal with us.

  • AnneDon AnneDon

    25 Aug 2010, 6:18PM

    @ wankleflip - I think you are right about low self-esteem and a lack of choices leading to people working in the sex industry - sexually/physically abused individuals; young people leaving the care system; drug addicts.

    I can see that a transgender person, rejected by employers and (perhaps) by family and friends, could find themselves in a situation where the sex industry seems like a viable option.

    I suppose I imagined there would be a support network to help people feel less isolated; do such groups exist, does anyone know?

    @ Juliet - thank you for sharing your experiences like this; you are giving us all an insight that will, I hope, benefit others - because your readers will be more aware of these issues when meeting transgender people. (I know I will!)

  • RaDiOJaNEy RaDiOJaNEy

    25 Aug 2010, 6:39PM

    While trans people are treated on the NHS and rightly so ...to the chagrin of Daily Mail readers there is still the cost of other treatments that they incur

    Hair removal is a major issue for many trans women and this as far as I know not funded by the NHS.
    This can be a big problem as the treatment is costly and time consuming eg. getting time of work is not always possible.

    Also , for some people it is vital to successful surgery that part of the genital area is treated. .but this once again is not available on the NHS even though there is clearly a medical need. Plus there are only a few places in the country i know of that will perform this treatment.

    AND there is the travel expense of going back and forth to London where most trans people are sent . plus the cost of hotels if an appointment to is in the early morning...!

  • fluter fluter

    25 Aug 2010, 8:13PM

    @crystaltips

    I know I live in constant fear of using the wrong pronouns with Juliet and I'm sure if I went wrong she would laugh it off whilst I would be mortified! I guess I have adopted a think before I speak attitude!

    Heh, heh: don't worry, it's the general attitude that we notice! My mum still makes the very occasional slip and I give her a grin and roll my eyes and she looks apologetic.

    Voice can be an issue. I remember an in-house help desk worker who went on an on about my voice and the apparent disparity with my name. The only time I ever got annoyed "Look, just log the fault will you, please!"

    As for discrimination, I'd been a bit of a non-performer in my job for some time but still kept it until such time as I decided to move on. It might have been unrealistic to expect acceptance in the post-work informal kickabout at the local sports centre, but that was really the only thing I had to complain about.
    From the very first day of my transition I used the women's loos, none of this using the disabled toilets rubbish. That could be amusing: a young woman putting on some make-up was commenting about how her Mum got angry if she found her wearing it when she was 14 and with feeling I commented that my situation was exactly the same!

  • Gabbyco Gabbyco

    25 Aug 2010, 8:51PM

    @Juliet,

    If you are already in a job and are transgendered you are safe, I worked for the public sector for 10 years and in my particular field am unable to secure permanent employment. You may have been lucky but the public sector , in certain sectors and in my particular field I cannot say the public sector has treated me well in my field of housing. The SDA only protects those in permanent employment and if employment breaks down or the relationship they can and will use any excuse to get rid of you.

    I think you have been lucky. If you are already in a permanent job it is easier, most transexuals pre op 74 per cent according to the stats are unemployed, post op the rate is lower but many find themselves unemployed at some stage I can think of Dr Curtis formally a GP who has now retrained to become Dr Reid's successor.

    Sex working many do have too do but not everyone.

    I think may be you have been fortunate perhaps because your employer is aware you are writing this article for the guardian many are not so fortunate. I now have to go in a new direction with my career and hope to be starting this in a few weeks, I will be on less money but for me if it works out and I get a role permanently there it promises to make use of my considerable skills and experience and the pay won't be b ad for local work but of course it is the public sector just a different field.

    I hope your transition continues to go well. Remember the NHS won't pay for Breast Implants which will cost you if you need them and no matter how well you pass, you will never completely live in stealth there is always the state to see to that. eg crb and the DWP who will keep your original historical records as a he. I am now planning a judicial review through my solicitor subject to funding to get this changed for those who are in receipt of a long standing Gender Recognition Certificate.

    The public sector though isn't necessarily better than the private sector for transitioning as I know from my own experience of temping for 10 years.

    I hope you continue to receive support from your employer, you received far more than I ever did from any in the past. This time, I am hoping where I will be starting will be more sympathetic as I have told them in advance and they are supportive because for me now I want my post transition to move on to stability and financial security so I can enjoy the rest of my life.

    I do feel for those that have to sex work which I know many do, or are forced in to low paid, insecure, temp and part time work.

  • Gabbyco Gabbyco

    25 Aug 2010, 8:56PM

    Hair removal many have to pay, many have to pay for hormones as well because not all gp's are sympathetic or will take responsibility to prescribe, facial feminisation surgery will usually have to be paid for as will the process which aids feminisation which is the I can't remember but is it the Orchidectomy.

    You have been lucky, I hope your good fortune continues, be prepared for things to go wrong because it does happen. But well done.

  • Gabbyco Gabbyco

    25 Aug 2010, 9:05PM

    @Worky,

    What a childish comment. Have you not thought that Juliet and others like her including me have paid in to the system so have an ENTITLEMENT TO TREATMENT thanks very much, though the treatment is still very much a lottery depending where you live and how the pct (primary care trust) classifies gender reassignment where you live.

    @Brookynowes,

    The SDA regs don't give trans people more employment rights than any other group. Theoretically the sda regs are meant to cover a trans person and protect them from discrimination at all stages of recruitment namely application, interview and offer stage, and before they undertake gender reassignment, or if intending to undertake gender reassignment, if in the process of undertaking gender reassingment and continued protection after gender reassignment and in protection when it comes to fairness on redundancy and dismissal.

    Unfortunately most trans people have to work much harder and perform better than non trans candidates and excuses are usually found not to employ someone at recruitment stage such as what I have had which is you did a great interview for a job I did for years before but the service user's scored the other candidate at 100 per cent for service user satisfaction. Oh really.

    I have had this on several occasions now. If your transition becomes messy and you have to temp as I did and had lots of remedial surgery as I did on the face your status in your field can become well known and you will become unemployable. I know from Dr Curtis who took over from Russell Reid as a gender Psychiatrist that he had to change direction as he was unable to get work as a GP> I am now having to do the same.

    Discrimination still happens. If your status is known in your field, even if you pass and look fab, you might as well be out because your resume and experience might as well be someone else's it is sad but still true in my personal experience.

  • Gabbyco Gabbyco

    25 Aug 2010, 9:18PM

    Error:

    I have 14 years experience in my field and was never unemployed pre op, most of it has been post op, some of it due to soft intelligence on an enhanced disclosure which has now been completely cleared following litigation which I had no choice but to pursue.

  • wotever wotever

    26 Aug 2010, 12:09AM

    @ Juliet Jacques

    I determined that I would never again take a welcoming workplace for granted, whatever the pay, whatever the opportunities, and just felt thankful to feel economically - and socially - secure.

    An interesting read, again.

    Yes, you're right! It can be very hard. In 1988 when I officially transitioned, I was sacked the day after the boss was told about me. This was a fairly big Norwich firm (you or your mum will probably know them).
    I was only young, but It was a pretty good position (stock controller) company car pension rights, etc. And I lost it all overnight with no official explanation ever given. I just had a phone call from a foreman who told me I was being paid till the end of the week, and not to come in again. That was it!

    I tried to claim unfair dismissal, but at that time the Thatcher government's rules were you had to be employed for two years before making a claim.
    I tried to sign on for unemployment benefit but the Job Centre ruled I had made myself unemployed, and so I didn't receive any payment for 6 weeks. It was only the kindness of friends and Salvation Army food parcels (St Giles St, if you ever need them!) that kept me fed.
    Although personally I'm agnostic, I'll always be grateful to the Sally Ann for their completely non judgemental help. I still donate to them and buy the War Cry down Anglia Square, whenever I see them selling it.

    But seriously, It was an awful time in my life, facing rejection everywhere and literally living hand to mouth whilst beginning transition. I could easily have gone under. But, it actually made me toughen up a lot. From then on I made sure I would NEVER be dependant on another employer ever again.
    I've retrained several times and been self employed ever since. But I've always found work of some sort.

    I've also chosen to work as an escort on three separate occasions. The first time was pre SRS, I was advertised as a 'shemale' and got as much business as I could cope with. It was pretty easy money, working on my own from a flat or visiting. I never worked from the street. Most punters were nice guys with only a few real 'scaries'.
    I've heard all the stuff about exploitation and read all the reasons why prostitution is wrong, but it's all crap. When you are sitting in the dark because you can't afford to pay your electric bill and your tummy is grumbling for lack of food, feminist theory doesn't seem very important....!

    The second time, I was pre facial surgery and wanted FFS money. Business was much slower. Not many men are interested in a dykey post op (smile). But it was more fun, because I worked with my (lesbian) partner. The shared experience actually brought us even closer together, and we are still together now, after almost 20 years.

    The last time was 6 years ago, when I wanted extra money for breast augmentation. Working post op and competing with any other woman on a level playing field is a lot harder!
    I eventually advertised as a post op TS and got some business, mostly from TV's helping them dress and applying make up. I even had a few young pre op TS clients, who just wanted to talk with me. (maybe you were one of them?)

    When I made enough money I quit, went to Thailand and had my boobs done. I'd have no qualms about doing it again if I ever needed money. But of course, being older it's not so easy, now.....

    Almost all the TS women friends I knew, that I went through transition with, lost their jobs. Most were older than me and had savings to fall back on, but some had nothing. Some were 'retired' in their 40's.
    These were often very smart people with top jobs. But they all got shunted out eventually, one way or another. It's very sad.
    I do hope things are better today, but I believe there is still an awful lot of discrimination.

  • Nakazukasa Nakazukasa

    26 Aug 2010, 7:36AM

    'No wonder many transsexual people end up in sex work'

    I find this is an unfortunate headline because, at a cursory glance … all most people give … it seems to confirm a highly pervasive stereotype - 'Many trans people end up in sex work'.

    Hopefully most Guardian readers will have read on to discover what you say in the article, Juliet. Sensational headlines are a real problem for trans people. Some undoubtedly do end up in sex work but, in the UK, it is not anything like the high proportion [100%?], which I suspect much of the public imagine from glancing at their newspapers or watching television.

    @ wankleflip: "Can't help but think that unresolved issues to do with sex and sexuality, along with chronically low self-esteem, are more likely reasons for a disproportionate tendency to engage in sex-work."

    I feel strongly that this an area, where our society needs to engage in some sophisticated introspection. Like many other trans people, I was appalled by the 'theory of autogynephilia' advanced by Ray Blanchard and popularised by J.Michael Bailey. Nevertheless I could not deny that I seemed to experience some of the confusion over my sexual orientation, which Blanchard describes as motivation for the 'behaviour' of trans people. The truth to me was blindingly obvious … This was not the motivation but a collection of symptoms with a clear origin:
    - If the configuration of your body sex does not feel comfortable … by which I mean not just genitals but every sex indicator … how is either romantic engagement or the act of sex going to feel comfortable for you?
    - Being raised in the opposite gender to the one which feels right for you is traumatising. Think sensational headline: 'Parents raise boy as girl' or vice versa.
    I don't think Wankleflip's suggestion is too far off base for a lot of trans people. Confusion, low self-esteem and excess of a hormone, the effects of which made me feel highly uncomfortable, led me to a despair and devaluing of sex, which I find it enormously sad to look back on. In my case the conventional transition route, presenting and being accepted as female, finding a loving partner [something which I had not imagined would be possible] has thankfully led me, after some five or six healing years, to a very contented place with my sexuality.

    I am not meaning to appear judgemental about unusual sexual practices or to suggest that everybody must conform exactly to a binary ideal. I am saying that, if a clear pathway is available to trans children … a pathway fully accepted and understood by their parents, schools and society as a whole, then a huge amount of confusion and unhappiness about sexuality might be avoided. In the Observer recently Tim Franks of the gay and lesbian charity Pace was quoted:
    '… by the age of 10 kids have understood that bad people are gay – then they discover they are one of them. They enter a dreadful stage of secrecy which can last 20 minutes or 50 years. Even when you make contact with the adult world, it can be a very sexualised one. Imagine if we expected a young heterosexual girl to get her first lesson about relationships in a singles bar. All this is traumatic and has an impact on mental health." http://www.guardian.co.uk/theobserver/2010/aug/22/gay-attitude-depression-isolation?CMP=twt_gu
    The whole article is well worth reading. In our society today I'd suggest that most of its conclusions are even more devastatingly and currently true of 'many' trans people.

  • Gabbyco Gabbyco

    26 Aug 2010, 8:16AM

    @Wotever,

    Hello, wise advice as always. You are right, post op employment is difficult and sustaining it is even harder. I personally can get work but at my age do I want to survivve on scraps of work.

    A lot of people say it is unrealistic to change field and career but sometimes you don't have a choice. Fingers crossed for me that my trial in this new field works out for me. With that field I would intend to help many more post op's and pre op's go back to work.

    Whether you are a ts or not, work is good for your self esteem and your mental health and gives you a sense of well being.

    There is always a choice in life, sex working isn't always a choice but it can be.

    Whilst I admire and understand women that sex work I personally am not so brave and strong to have coped with that.

    In terms of competing with other women on a level playing field, despite what people say, women are lesser beings than men in the world of work, I feel more a symbol to look at these days for my looks rather than am seen for wht i have in my brain sadly

    @Nakazuka, not all of us giveup. I have gone through worst case scenario with things that could have gone wrong but this bitch fought and will continue to fight back. Things are better for me. Gradually I feel at peace because I no longer feel like I am being treated as a transexual woman but as a woman these days. I thank god for my chance to try this new field. It is up to me to make it work and hope some good comes from it. I am quite honoured they feel I can help others both trans and non trans people.

  • 3genders 3genders

    26 Aug 2010, 8:30AM

    The staff treated me fairly but couldn't find me work, and interviews for other temp jobs proved fruitless. I wondered how much this owed to my gender: the aforementioned Sex Discrimination Act might protect people in work, but does little to prevent employers from passing over transsexual people, as long as this is not their stated reason.

    It took me around 200 job applications and a year to find work - this was a few years ago before the current recession. I was applying for admin, typist and secretarial jobs - I had my typing qualifications up to RSA 2 level plus a University degree.

    I don't know: maybe that length of time trying to find work was just normal for job applicants - even back before the recession. Couldn't help get the feeling, though that someone who is open and visible (sometimes we can't help it) about their transness is far less likely to get a job, even with relevant qualifications and experience they'd rather employ someone less qualified purely because they think we don't 'look right' and aren't conventionally gendered enough.

    So much for those much-vaunted *Gender Diversity Policies*(!)

  • wotever wotever

    26 Aug 2010, 11:05AM

    Gabbyco

    There is always a choice in life, sex working isn't always a choice but it can be.
    Whilst I admire and understand women that sex work I personally am not so brave and strong to have coped with tha

    Hi again Gabby It's getting like a drop in centre here, every couple of weeks (smile). I like it. I have very little contact with 'the community' these days. It's interesting.

    I think sex work is just like any other employment, as long as you get into it voluntarily and behave sensibly. For me it was simply to earn money to live - and then for luxuries. I didn't do it to support a habit and I never had a pimp. It was my choice and my money.

    The first time I got involved I was very scared. I had a friend, he was a gay man, but very pretty and feminine. He worked as a rent boy whenever he needed cash. One night he asked me to come with him to keep an eye on him.
    He worked from the street in the red light area. He simply stood on the corner and waited for the cars to stop. He would have perhaps 3 or 4 punters in an hour, then we would go to the pub and spend his earnings on a night out. It really was that easy!
    What surprised me the most, was the ordinariness of the punters. They were just average guys, not scary at all, usually straight, and just looking for quick sex or a bit of company. A lot of them were lonely and I actually felt a bit sorry for them.

    When I finally chose to 'work' myself, I went through an agency. They advertised my photos and directed the clients to me. I worked from home in a block of flats.
    One of my neighbours was a good friend. Whenever a client turned up I'd call her and say "he's here" then she would call back in an hour if she'd not heard from me.
    This kept me safe, and her call back often gave me an excuse to get the lingerers out of the flat.
    I'd say "that was the next client on the phone, he'll be here in a minute" and then the punter would usually leave quickly.
    The police knew all about who was working and where they were, but as long as it was off the street they left you alone.

    One or two of the guys actually became friends. I'd never drink when I was working, but sometimes I'd go for a drink socially, afterwards.

    I always get annoyed when I read the prostitution threads on CIF. All the moralistic nonsense and 'social studies course' led opinion. The one view that is never listened to, is from the women who actually choose to 'work'.

    Don't confuse substance addiction with prostitution, as a choice. Some people work in Tesco on night shift, packing shelves, to feed their habit. Some people sell their bodies on the street.
    That doesn't make Tesco or prostitution, wrong, it's the addiction that's the problem!

  • Natacha Natacha

    26 Aug 2010, 11:25AM

    Contributor Contributor

    Just been looking at a study in the US of 150 transmen and women. Despite the fact that only two of these had less than a high-school diploma and 87 had degrees or higher degrees, more than one third earned less than $20,000, including 12 who had no income at all. This compares with the national average of $42,700 for cis men and $32,900 for cis women.

    Most reported that the stage at which they found they were rejected by employers was the interview stage.

    I recently met a very experienced primary school headteacher, who, before transitioning was headhunted to come and turn round schools which were underperforming. Now, after 200 applications she is still unemployed.

  • JulietJacques JulietJacques

    26 Aug 2010, 1:02PM

    @brooklynowes: transsexual people have the same rights under the Sex Discrimination Act as everyone else, and nobody is demanding any more. My point is that although we’re legally protected against employers sacking us explicitly on gender grounds (as in the Daily Mail article linked above), discrimination often works in ways that are beyond the scope of legislation – as explained in the piece and the comments here – and there is a need to deconstruct the sociological foundations that make this possible.

    @crystaltips24: thank you! And yes, I laugh off pronoun errors all the time (as explained in last week’s blog on my change of name). As Fluter says, it’s the general attitude we notice – and (as this piece states) I really couldn’t have asked for more in that department.

    @fluter: Incidentally, the informal post-work kickabout is one of the highlights of my week. Or at least, it is now that I remembered to wear a sports bra – the first week was quite trying! ;)

  • 3genders 3genders

    26 Aug 2010, 1:02PM

    Whilst on the subject of transpeople in the workplace, there's also the issue of gendered dress codes - as evidenced, for example, in a news report in the Mail today:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1305971/Transsexual-sacked-forced-apologise-colleagues-wearing-dress-work.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

    I wonder how for how many more years we'll have to put up with attitudes like these?

  • JulietJacques JulietJacques

    26 Aug 2010, 1:16PM

    @gabbyco: Just a point about the timing – the events discussed in this article span May-October 2009, so long before I started blogging for The Guardian – something which I still do in my spare time, around my full-time job in the office.

    As the article states, I’m fully aware of how fortunate I’ve been, although to an extent I’ve made my own luck. I touched on the presence of a trans woman at a previous private sector job which I had for three years, pre-transition, but for reasons of space I couldn’t elaborate as much as I’d have liked. People used to say horrendous things about her – in my presence and to me directly, as I wasn’t out as ‘trans’ at that point (in fact I was just coming to discover this as an identity).

    Later, I was semi-out as ‘transgender’, which people decided meant ‘tranny’, and there was one person in particular – a gay male who did not hide his sexuality – who met everything I said with arse-witted ‘tranny’ ‘jokes’. The oppressive nature of the environment (and the soul-crushingly boring work) made me resolve to avoid that kind of private sector job, reasoning that public sector work a) might attract more liberally-minded people (not always true, obviously, as the reasons why people are in certain types of work are infinite) and b) would be more accountable if prejudice became a problem.

    So although I made my own luck to a point, I was still very much at the mercy of economic circumstances and the reaction of my colleagues. I struggled to find a tolerant environment as I moved from temp job to temp job, and once I was lucky enough to find one, I did my level best to stay there – especially once I’d finally found the confidence to work as female, as the article details.

  • JulietJacques JulietJacques

    26 Aug 2010, 1:17PM

    @wotever: thanks for the kind words about the piece – always interesting to hear from you! I think we’ve come an awfully long way since the late Eighties in terms of employment legislation, but we’re still some way from attacking the more subtle ways in which trans people are economically disadvantaged – and with Maggie’s children in power, we might have to find a lot more of that resolve!

    Intriguing, too, to hear about your escort work. I think the Internet has made this somewhat easier and safer for people, as a lot of the trans contacts site not only allow people to advertise themselves as trans (circumventing the ‘transsexual panic’ defence often cited by cisgender men who hurt trans people, claiming to have been ‘deceived’ before the sex act), as well as allowing greater control who sees them, and how those clients perceive them. (I wasn’t one of the people who came to see you about transitioning, by the way.)

    And it is getting like a drop-in centre, isn’t it? Obviously we’ve discussed ‘the community’ at length previously: I’ll be writing a blog piece about ‘the community’ in the near future, specifically about the different TV/TS/TG/other communities that exist and my changing relationships with them, as well as how much I wanted to be part of any such community – but I won’t say too much more on that now as I don’t want to pre-empt it! Suffice to say, though, I think you’ll find it interesting and I look forward to your thoughts on it.

    Good point, too, about people who propagate theories at the expense of people’s human experiences – I’ve got a piece along those lines planned too.

  • leavetorise leavetorise

    26 Aug 2010, 2:06PM

    Reading your account Juliet has brought so many of my own experiences back. I too went through Charing Cross and was working as a supply teacher during my two year 'real life' period. Teaching can be particularly daunting given the possible reactions, and sheer cruelty, of older children and the inquisitiveness and straightforwardness of younger pupils but the Headteacher of one school was particularly supportive as was my agency, at others I never discovered why requests for cover stopped. Teaching certainly gave me considerably greater protection - being a union member for instance - but still didn't prevent work disappearing.

    On the whole I was very fortunate and the two years didn't present any great problem. Teaching experience offered the great benefit of learning to always look confident even if one was inwardly wailing. If publically my transition was a success privately the cost has been terrible beyond words. Nothing can overcome the loss of contact with one's children or the realisation that the apparent strength of one's relationship with one's children can evaporate. Charing Cross provided no help at all in this most crucial part of my transition, telling my children, and viewed it as just another hurdle I had to overcome. Though advice and counselling would not have provided any guarantee of success it would have made it more possible, the approach better considered. This extraordinary failure on their part has left me still very embittered and angry.

    I thought changing my name by Deed Poll rather expensive and instead made a Statutory Declaration before a magistrate. Before this however I too tried using a name which maintained my initials, but choosing a female version of a name ie Robyn just caused confusion and so I changed it. I also needed to change my name on qualifications. Manchester Univ. was efficient and prompt but the OU - which hold National Academic Awards archives - was the absolute opposite with individuals being obstructive and it also attempted to charge me.

    Although it is not publicised one can obtain laser treatment on the NHS, especially for pre-op hair removal. My PCT (Cambridshire)was marvellous and supported me throughout but today it is probably very difficult. I also had a wonderful GP - a good, supportive GP is essential - who arranged for me to have superb NHS artificial boobs whilst I developed my own, to say they gave me a boost is an understatement, I felt fantastic.

    And yes, the phone, that hateful mechanism of humiliation and fear. Suddenly all one's confidence can evaporate in the face of unfeeling stupidity or simply poortraining. Explaining patiently for the umteenth time that yes that I am who I said I am and thatthis is my account, I AM the accountholder. A threat of fomal complaint is often effective and the compensation quite nice to have if quite small.

    Thank you Juliet for describing the experiences of some of us so well and giving me the enjoyment of sharing our similar terrors, triumphs and joys. From the perspective of where I live, Afghanistan, it all seems rather extraordinary.

  • HelenWilsonMK HelenWilsonMK

    26 Aug 2010, 3:10PM

    I have spent the last three years being a burden on the state because I could not admit I am transsexual. I think sometimes we don't acknowledge the cost of a person not transitioning.

    The social pressures not to transition and be myself left me clinically depressed and agoraphobic. The financial cost of me not working for those three years has been £30,000 in benefits, a two month stay in hospital costing many thousands of pounds and loss of salary of £75,000.

    If it had been socially acceptable to transition I would of been transitioned long before I had my breakdown and would not of become a burden on everybody else.

    Its ten weeks since I finally told my doctor about who I really am. I now live full time as me and not as who society expects me to be.

    In the coming months I will start looking for a job as a lab technician again. I don't expect to get special treatment from anyone, just that I'm given a fair chance.

    I don't think that's too much to ask!

  • JulietJacques JulietJacques

    26 Aug 2010, 4:31PM

    @HelenWilson MK: very well said. Every fortnight I get members of the knuckle-dragging community coming on here and saying "Why should the NHS pay for this? Stop stealing all my money and go back where you came from! It's political correctness gone mad, except they won't even let you say 'political correctness gone mad' any more! You couldn't make it up!" (I'm paraphrasing slightly, I admit.)

    The comedian Bethany Black says in her show that the total cost to the state of her transition over her lifetime works out at about £27,000. If she'd killed herself, the inquest that must legally follow any suicide would have cost the state £32,000, so by transitioning she's saved the state £5,000. (Suicide, of course, may follow any amount of mental health treatment undertaken at public expense.)

    By extension, a working human being in the UK pays £600,000 in tax over the course of a lifetime, according to The Sunday Times, so by continuing to live your life in the face of considerable prejudice and opposition, you've put nearly two thirds of a million pounds back into public funds.

    Then there's the 'ethical' argument of "Why should I pay for someone's sexuality [sic]? It's political correctness (cut)' My counter to that is 'Why should I pay for people's sports or DIY injuries? Or the damage to people or property inflicted by drunken morons on any weekend in any town or city? Or unwinnable decade-long wars waged against distant nations full of brown people on questionable pretexts?'

    So anyway, it's a fascinating argument and I look forward to having it again in a fortnight's time. Until then, numpties, here's a virtual present for you! x

  • leavetorise leavetorise

    26 Aug 2010, 4:37PM

    @helenwilsonMK

    Everyone of us has to find the courage their own way and in their own time and it's wonderful that you have managed to do this Helen. I have been very lucky in the friends I have and in the GPs I have dealt with. For myself , though it has brought tremendous personal grief it has also brought self -recognition and realisation and great joy and fulfullment. I cannot believe I would want to be anything but the women I am.

    I wish you joy in your in your new self - right on sister

  • JulietJacques JulietJacques

    26 Aug 2010, 5:05PM

    One last thing, imbeciles! (If you've not already recoiled with your tails between your legs.) I forgot to add that Sex Reassignment Surgery costs the NHS £10,000 per person, and according to your beloved Daily Mail, and on average 140 people have the operation per year. Consequently, £1,400,000 of NHS money is spent per year on SRS (that calculation: 140 x £10,000.

    There are around 26,000,000 taxpayers in the United Kingdom, according to Yahoo! Answers, so 1,400,000 divided by 26,000,000 means that you personally are paying £0.054 per year towards SRS (that's Sex Reassignment Surgery).

    To put this into an understandable context: buy three less Black Jack or Fruit Salad chews per annum, and you've offset your loss. Incidentally, I'm happy to send this sum of money to you in order to offset it, as long as you pay for the postage.

    J x

  • Gabbyco Gabbyco

    26 Aug 2010, 5:13PM

    Dear Julie,

    Fair point, I didn't mean nothing by it and I am glad you have found somewhere accepting of you, it's important to feel comfortable otherwise the work environment becomes stressful and like a form of torture a good environment helps to make your other issues of dealing with transition less stressful.

    I hope it continues well for you, and I mean that. I wish I could have said the same. Public sector should be more liberal but not always. And yes, some gay men are really nasty, towards trans people, I suspect because it is partly seen as a betrayal and partly due to insecurities with their own sexuality but not all are like that. Some people are nasty, but it's nice to be accepted for who you are to do a meaningful job that you like and be paid for it and have supportive and friendly colleagues who don't have a problem and whom you can discuss it with. Good that's how it should be, sadly though and I hate being negative because I know I do it well, it isn't like that for many others.

    Dear Wotever,

    I wish I knew your name as I feel so disrespectful calling you that. Yes Sex working is like employment, I haven't demeaned it as a choice, I have admiration because although I like sex and am OK at it, I just could not see myself selling myself perhaps though that's a reflection on my own personal shyness and moral agenda. Although, I am sure I might still be able to make a few quid from it if i did and why not as you say there is no shame. But I am not so brave. I wasn't making a generalisation about substance misuse and sex working, of course some people will do sex working to feed a habit, some might steal and turn to crime others work at tesco as you say, so if I confused things my apologies.

    Juliet this is a good article. It is a shame that too many transgendered people have to choose between saving their life and being true to themselves and their natural gender and choosing a career with the skiills and the qualifications they hold, which is not only a personal waste for them and a tragedy because of society's ignorance, but also a waste to their industry and more importantly a waste to society. Most transgendered people would rather work and own an honest day's living than live on benefits. There is little point having undergone gender reassignment if you are then committed to a life on benefits. I hope as one post rightfully states, it's so easy giving lip service to equality of opportunity but quite another putting it into practice when interviewing people for a job. Regardless of how someone looks or what someone is or was previously, the job applicant is a person not a transgendered person and not any less capable than an ordinary male or female applicant just because they are trans or of what their past gender was.

    Really it's the person you see at the interview and the skills they have to offer the interview should be about that, not about the fact they used to be a man or woman and had a sex change. Most transexuals have something to offer.

    A truly open minded employer won't see the employment and recruitment of a trans candidate as a Human Resources issue to avoid. Not all of us seek to take employers to tribunals. We just want to earn a living wage, will work much harder and take little if no sickness if post op because we value work, and those that are pre op, will try to work around the employer in terms of hair removal by doing this at weekends if possible and doing so in their own time, holiday or unpaid even if they are allowed by law to take this in company time.

    My hope is that HR professionals see Transexuals as part of employment and as potential employees in Britain because we do exist and a good company will employ trans employees not just be a good company because they have a trans employee who is transitioning at work and want to support them.

    I hope things change - but well we can only see

  • stassa stassa

    26 Aug 2010, 5:17PM

    Juliet,

    The article you link to, "Transsexual loses toilet facilities claim" is from 2003. I understand the Gender Recognition Act, passed a year later, would have made that woman's treatment illegal?

    wotever,

    I always get annoyed when I read the prostitution threads on CIF. All the moralistic nonsense and 'social studies course' led opinion. The one view that is never listened to, is from the women who actually choose to 'work'.

    That is because their experiences of prostitution are not typical. Yours certainly aren't for a number of reasons not least of which is that you are trans- and trans women make up only a tiny minority of women in sex work. For example, you didn't have a pimp, to beat you up and take your money. It doesn't sound like you had any substance issues, that you ever did time or contracted any disease and obviously you didn't run the risk of an unwanted pregnancy. Above all it was your choice. For the vast majority of women, sex work is not "like any other employment" they don't "get into it voluntarily" and they don't have the luxury to "behave sensibly". Inasmuch as it is a choice for them, it's the choice they dread more than everything else in their lives. For most it's also the last choice they get to make and they will never get an other job. Again in this you seem to be atypical since you 're not doing it anymore, though I'm sure even you didn't include your past sex work in your resumé.

    The stigma is no joke and it won't go away by hand-waving.

    Also, me: not a moralist and not an academic. As in far from.

  • JulietJacques JulietJacques

    26 Aug 2010, 5:19PM

    @wotever (and gabbyco) - it intrigues me that you've chosen the handle 'wotever'. Some of the happiest evenings I've had have been spent at Club Wotever, in London or Brighton: Ingo, the FtM who ran Wotever Brighton, said it was called Wotever because of the amount of times someone had addressed him/her as "Sir ... madam ... whatever". So I like the fact that you've chosen the same name, right down to the spelling :)

  • Gabbyco Gabbyco

    26 Aug 2010, 5:25PM

    @Wotever and Juliet,

    Yes how right you are it is a bit like a drop in centre, I have no contact with the trans community more or less may be one person that I stay in contact with by email but this helps me remember my experiences good and bad the last couple of years mainly not as good but it's good to share and learn and it's good to know that no you're not the one that might think that, or get insecure or whatever you know what i mean.

    We are meant to live in a diverse country of 62m which states we encompass all sorts, gay, straight, black, white asian, yet why do we still remain bottom of the barrel, why do many transgendered men and women remain unemployed pre op and post op though less so post op, why do so many have to downgrade their career to lower paid work and why do some exit the job market. It's wrong. This is the last taboo. Being transgendered isn't socially unacceptable and it's not an illness. People should and can continue to work and all employers need doing is give people a fair chance on a level playing field and not see the potential pitfalls of employing a transgendered person for the role. At the end of the day, so long as you do your job what does it matter who or what you are or who or what you were.

    Social inclusion though has a long way to go, and the SDA regs are still got around, with the usual excuses redundancy because the role is no longer needed or incapability procedure because you can't do the job when you can, or the disciplinary procedure because your transgenderism is seen as a problem for the company and they want you out.

  • Gabbyco Gabbyco

    26 Aug 2010, 5:35PM

    @Juliet,

    Hi again, just to advise when I referred to in a previous post Julie I meant Juliet, sorry sometimes I type so fast I can cause a typo.

    So the post for Julie was meant for you and yes going on to your last post I do find Wotever's handle quite fasinating too.

    She is a clever lady Wotever, I suspect her argument too many that question her is "oh Wotever". That's the best way to be.

  • wotever wotever

    26 Aug 2010, 8:07PM

    stassa

    wotever,

    I always get annoyed when I read the prostitution threads on CIF. All the moralistic nonsense and 'social studies course' led opinion. The one view that is never listened to, is from the women who actually choose to 'work'.

    That is because their experiences of prostitution are not typical. Yours certainly aren't for a number of reasons not least of which is that you are trans- and trans women make up only a tiny minority of women in sex work. For example, you didn't have a pimp, to beat you up and take your money. It doesn't sound like you had any substance issues, that you ever did time or contracted any disease and obviously you didn't run the risk of an unwanted pregnancy. Above all it was your choice. For the vast majority of women, sex work is not "like any other employment" they don't "get into it voluntarily" and they don't have the luxury to "behave sensibly". Inasmuch as it is a choice for them, it's the choice they dread more than everything else in their lives. For most it's also the last choice they get to make and they will never get an other job. Again in this you seem to be atypical since you 're not doing it anymore, though I'm sure even you didn't include your past sex work in your resumé.

    The stigma is no joke and it won't go away by hand-waving.

    Also, me: not a moralist and not an academic. As in far from.

    Well, firstly no one I ever met, who was involved in prostitution through choice, is "typical" we all had our individual reasons for being in the situation. But mostly it was simply the need for money.

    Those forced into it by others, are victims of something far worse than prostitution i.e. slavery. I don't speak for them. Likewise those who are involved to feed a habit are victims of many things from lack of education, poverty, abusive relationships - and perhaps even societies lack of acceptance for those who have mental health problems. Who knows? But neither would I claim to speak for them.

    I can only speak for me.

    As for being 'trans' .....? It is something I don't recognise. In fact I positively reject the term as meaningless.
    As I've written here before it's a term that means nothing to me. It was invented (according to Stephen Whittle of PFC) by him, in his discussions with government ministers relating to the Gender Recognition Act

    PFC's definition of Trans is: people who:

    cross dress or are transvestite,

    are transsexual or transgender or gender variant young people

    people who identify as gender queer,

    people who identify as androgyne or bigendered or agendered

    drag kings and queens

    people who have an intersex condition

    anybody else who has a gender identity, or wishes to express their gender in a way which is different to that expected from someone of their birth sex.

    In other words, this means anyone from a married guy who wanks off wearing his wife's knickers to a tom boy. The term is a political catch all that means nothing, and confuses sexual orientation, fetish behaviour and various physical medical conditions. Excuse my little rant on the subject, but it's not simply for you, but information for others, too.
    So, no, I'm not 'trans.'

    I am a woman who has a history of (the medical condition) transsexualism, that has since been corrected.
    Like any other woman, My previous medical condition does not define me. Or my experiences as a working escort

    I knew lots of escorts who did not "have a pimp to beat them up and take my money" and I knew lots who never had any addictions, either.
    I also knew some who you would call 'trans' who did have addictions and pimps. So i wouldn't make assumptions.

    There are a lot of women who freely choose to work as escorts, We are the women the moralist and feminist agenda refuse to accept, because it doesn't fit with their own preconceived ideas. But we exist and It is very patronising to be told we are victims of men. ... but just too stupid to realise it.

    As for STD's. I took very sensible precautions. It's not so difficult to avoid them. However you assumed I never "did time" and you're wrong there!
    But the biggest problem I had as an escort were those dangers forced on to me by the law, that made it illegal to work alongside another girl for safety.

    The one advantage I probably did have, is that actual physical sex has never meant a lot to me. Especially with men.
    I never grew up with dreams of sexual fulfilment on my honeymoon with prince charming. Just one look at my body in the mirror as I was growing up, made me realise at a very early age that was not going to happen to me.
    But, I can say I was definitely not alone in that attitude. Many women I knew and worked with had the same ambivalence to sex. After a while it's simply routine, a job.

  • Gabbyco Gabbyco

    26 Aug 2010, 10:10PM

    Hi All,

    How ironic just had a little read of the Sun ( don't gasp) I only read it cos it's cheap (20p) and because it comes out with some crap

    Ironically, there is a little piece about a 24 year old pre op ts who has just started her transitiion in Cleethorpes Lincs. How sad for her that after informing her employers of her intention to change gender and despite the fact clients were ok with it, they send her home and effectively unfairly dismiss her.

    It does prove what I said about housing and care employers is true, any decent employer would have enabled her to move role so she could transition and then at least go back to her old role post transition

    For some reason it is always the social care providers and social housing who are supposedly hot on equal opps and diversity that are particularly appalling at failing to preach what they teach in the recruitment, selection and promotion of trans applicant's

    What a devastating thing to do to someone's self confidence at what is a both exciting and also scary time. I wish her well and hope she is able to get the matter settled. Again, but Juliet knows this so I won't go on like a cracked record but Juliet I'll say it again love you are lucky as I am sure you know.

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