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A boycott by England fans would have hurt more than the boos

The real humiliation for Fabio Capello's men against Hungary tonight would have been the sight of empty seats

Dejected England fans following their team's 4-1 loss to Germany at the World Cup in South Africa
Dejected England fans following their team's 4-1 loss to Germany at the World Cup in South Africa. Photograph: Tom Jenkins

The Football Association was offering £60 for a family of four for tonight's friendly against Hungary, but it was not clear whether that was a ticket price or a bung on offer to the hard-up and masochistic. Even with an inducement, there will be parents reluctant to expose their children to the torpor England brought to the World Cup.

Under the Wembley arch/gibbet a conundrum presents itself to St George's hardcore, that swarm of serial forgivers who swallow the give-us-one-more‑chance rhetoric, however strong the evidence for refusing to do so. Many fans are all heckled out. Ennui prevails. Premier League escapism looms.But to be North Korean in their acquiescence would imply an acceptance of something far more objectionable than mediocrity (though there was plenty of that, too), so there is a raging temptation to give Fabio Capello's team and all they represent the giant raspberry.

Capello has erected the village stocks on the Wembley pitch, insisting that the culprits from South Africa take the hail of rotten fruit and inviting the crowd to "get it out of their system" when what they probably want is to get half these players out of the team. The group boo replaces the group hug as a means of "closure". This will confuse many younger spectators, who may need help from mothers and father to let them know who the bad guys are.

The England coach had not displayed any signs of caring what the multitude think until he witnessed post-Africa the emotional and financial whiplash from England's collision with a familiar reality. He hopes the flagellation will all be done in one 45-minute period, during which he can apply earmuffs to Jack Wilshere and Kieran Gibbs, who lead a group of fresh faces who have not been exposed to the cycle of hype and under-achievement since 2002 – or 1966, if your prefer.

As Capello is at a loss to properly explain the listlessness of England in Cape Town and Bloemfontein, it is no safe bet that he will be able to shield the latest recruits from its debilitating effects. One explanation that seems to have escaped the coach's attention is that this generation are now deeply fatalistic. After repeated experience of failure and recrimination, they no longer believe England are capable of winning international tournaments and merely brace themselves for the moment when it all goes wrong. Robert Green's howler against USA is believed by some in the England camp to have had that catalytic effect.

Plainly the next wave of talent need to be quarantined from that negativity. They will hear older players grumbling about Capello and sense the barely suppressed despair of the Wembley crowd. In these circumstances, it is Capello's duty to persuade both the audience and the 38% of Premier League players who are English that he is serious about purging those players who have provided incontrovertible evidence that they will never win an international trophy.

By adopting the naughty schoolboy approach, he appears to believe his senior players were oblivious to the disdain that accompanied the second-round loss to Germany. His popularity in the dressing room plummeted in South Africa and now a sincere attempt to force his squad to take responsibility for their feebleness by encouraging the crowd to boo could swell the ranks of conspirators. A better message is that Gibbs and Wilshere, Gary Cahill and Joe Hart are the future, and that the future starts now rather than at half‑time.

Lessons are always administered when the Magyars are in town, and the FA is lucky that reflexive loyalty precludes the Wembley crowd from delivering one of their own.

The nuclear option remains unused. From the days when England's followers were the nastiest on the international circuit an era has arrived when they are just too nice to enact the one protest that might force reform: a boycott that would threaten to crush the FA under Wembley's vast running costs and compel the game's rulers to look for a solution beyond £6m-a-year big-name managers.

Jeer and forget is Capello's instruction to the fans, who now doubt his managerial touch and are dismayed by the wooliness of his reflections on the World Cup campaign. For him, too, the next few England games are a referendum on whether the vows will be renewed, whether hype's organ can start up again. To boo or not to boo, that is the question. But there is a better one: to attend or not to attend.


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  • ReddieEddie ReddieEddie

    11 Aug 2010, 12:28AM

    I don't quite understand -- "tonight's friendly"? It's tomorrow, isn't it?

    Not sure that you could pay me £60 to watch England with my family these days ... then again, I haven't felt any emotion for the national team since England -v- Argentina in 1998. Not entirely sure why but I think back then I just liked more of them.

  • SergeantZim SergeantZim

    11 Aug 2010, 12:55AM

    It is time to boo every misplaced pass, every miscontrol, every long-ball pumped forward, every ball played down the channel, every pass back to the goalkeeper, every long-throw, every throwing-yourself-to-the-ground to get a free kick.

    Until the men/boys/Rooney in the England shirts understand they are footballers and should try playing proper football.

  • ChinnyChinChin ChinnyChinChin

    11 Aug 2010, 2:55AM

    It does seem odd to pay £60 to boo a pointless friendly. Like those people that buy tickets to movies they're sure they'll hate just so they can slag it off in the pub later. It gives them the ammunition to vent about how shit the film was, but at the same time they're £10 poorer and they've just wasted two hours watching something they knew they'd hate.

    I've got USA v. Brazil on in the background. Friendly playing to a packed house at the shiny New Meadowlands Stadium, with an enthusiastic crowd cheering the US on even though they're 2-0 down. Massive contrast, and just underlines how it's not the fact that they were defeated that matters, but the manner in which they were defeated. England went out with a whimper, USA battled on until the end.

  • Vidic15 Vidic15

    11 Aug 2010, 3:57AM

    As one Steven Gerrard quite rightly put it: "There'll be 60,000 there to support us. That's more than anywhere in Europe" And I'll add that this is Hungary, and that it is a friendly.

    I would question the sanity of the people if it was a sell out.

  • NiceChappie NiceChappie

    11 Aug 2010, 6:35AM

    It's not just the insipid, desultory manner in which they played or the solipsistic arrogance of their demeanor: No, it's just that so many of the World Cup squad were simply not very nice people. How could anyone with a moral conscience be expected to cheer on the likes of Terry, Gerrard, Cole, Lampard, Crouch, or Ferdinand? Would you want your children to grow up bearing any resemblance to these self-aggrandizing, overhyped effete poltroons?

  • ilovecress ilovecress

    11 Aug 2010, 6:41AM

    Drop Terry, Lampard and Gerrard. It's simple, really.

    I agree. This is the real change that needs to happen.

    And then what? The Euro qualifiers are a month away. I know we're angry with the whole England set up, but there have been so many articles that are lambasting Capello for not dropping the 'stars' and very little saying what they want him to do instead. Some have murmered 'cattermole', but thats about it.

    Sure the team didn't perform at the WC - but the saddest fact of all is they were the best we had. If you think Kieron Dyer would have transformed our fortunes, I have a bridge to sell you.

  • LawdMuck LawdMuck

    11 Aug 2010, 6:43AM

    Yep, Terry, Gerrard, Lampard - out

    And you don't need youngsters either. Look to the Championship - there are plenty of Terry Butcher style bandaged heads that stand out as the best players.

    Playing in the Champions League did not prepare those superb New Zealand postmen against Italy, or those battling defenders from every other minor nation. Not only is it a myth but it is contradictory - if they want players that are not burnt out, get players that haven't played in it!

  • maurmer maurmer

    11 Aug 2010, 7:04AM

    First thing that needs changing is the obscene amount Capello gets paid for his part-time job - what was it- three times more than his German equivalent? The old ecuse that he has to be paid so much or else he'll go elsewhere doesn't stand up. Get someone like Bradley in who'll probably do it for a million - still quite a lot of money - then start tinkering with the squad - first some footballers who understand tactics, which rules out Gerrard.

  • choppyseas choppyseas

    11 Aug 2010, 7:20AM

    Kicking the day off on a slightly high-brow level, how about:

    "Who chooseth me shall have as much as he deserves"!
    Did I deserve no more than a fool's head?
    Is that my prize? Are my deserts no better?

    from Merchant of Venice discussing Capello.

    I'll go back to bed now.

  • MattLeHoosque MattLeHoosque

    11 Aug 2010, 7:30AM

    This is all nonsense.
    When was the last time Reading FC won anything of note? Or Southampton FC? They have fans who go week in, week out to cheer their team, just like fans up and down the country have been doing for their local clubs for more than a century.
    This is the same for national teams. The Swedes still follow this Swedish team when they lose, as do the Polish and the Portuguese.
    We all travel around the world to support our national sides, come rain or shine. That is just how football fans are. We can't help ourselves..

    The idea that it is a moral issue;

    , it's just that so many of the World Cup squad were simply not very nice people.How could anyone with a moral conscience be expected to cheer on the likes of Terry, Gerrard, Cole, Lampard, Crouch, or Ferdinand? Would you want your children to grow up bearing any resemblance to these self-aggrandizing, overhyped effete poltroons?

    is misplaced.

    No one, with real perspective, could call a single member of the England squad a nasty person. I have close friends, good, honest adults, who have been guilt of the crimes that we chastise football players for: splitting up from a girlfriend; wearing questionable clothing; cheekily parking in a disabled spot outside a supermarket; drinking a bit too much on a night out and momentarily acting out of character; moving jobs due to feeling of undervalue from employers.

    If we must jeer, or just not turn up, then that is an individuals choice but we have no need to start blaming the corruption of our children on the under performance of a sportsman on a football field.

  • bigfacedog bigfacedog

    11 Aug 2010, 7:33AM

    England are boring
    Frank Lampard, John Terry and Steven Gerrard are boring
    Friendlies are boring
    Wembley is boring
    Friendlies between England and Hungary at Wembley are very boring
    Friendlies between England and Hungary at Wembley with the Golden Generation are as much fun as a trip to Dignitas

  • murphy61 murphy61

    11 Aug 2010, 7:37AM

    @ilovecress

    Drop Terry, Lampard and Gerrard. It's simple, really.

    I agree. This is the real change that needs to happen.

    "And then what? The Euro qualifiers are a month away."

    Treat the qualifiers as an opportunity to rip it up and start again. Build a new team & ethos from the ground up. If that means non qualification for a tournament then so be it. Qualification with a squad based largely on the WC 2010 squad will have financial value only as they would invariably fail again come the finals

    It's time Capello started earning his £6m per year. So far any one of us could have picked his England teams/squads. For £6m per year I would expect someone to have an in depth knowledge of all players who could, reasonably, be qualified to play for England. Turning up at Man Utd v Liverpool, Chelsea v Arsenal premiership games, cup finals etc doesn't cut it.

    It was noted in another article yesterday that it was disappointing that Capello hadn't attended a recent, succesful for England, U19 or U21 tournament (I forget which) as he was on holiday. I would go further than express disappointment and make it a contractual requirement that Capello, and his successors, attend any tournament where professional English teams are represented. This is where the future talent is and needs to be evaluated first hand by the man who is paid an obscene amount of money oversee. Or is his job description merely head coach of the first XI? To be lying on a beach, or whatever, when a professional English team is playing in a EUFA/FIFA tournament is a dereliction of duty.

    I would expect to see a lot Capello at Championship grounds this season. Restrict his visits to Anfield, OT, Stamford Bridge et al. Make the fecker work for his money.

    All told

  • bloatboy bloatboy

    11 Aug 2010, 7:38AM

    We need to rid ourselves of this "getting stuck in" mentality that prevents us from international success. Someone mentioned Terry Butcher, who to me was an example of why England have only won one major tournament. Stuart Pearce was another: and the primary reason Barnes rarely played well for England. Imagine "lump it long" Pearce playing behind you, spraying passes to the opposition defenders every single time he got the ball. Barnes at Liverpool would get the ball passed to his feet, for England he's be expected to chase after lost causes....

    In one game at the world cup Upson, TWICE, kicked the ball from his own half out for a goal kick at the other end.

    Football is not warfare, the Dutch tried to make the final into a battle. They were beaten by a technically superior team.

    So almost paradoxically we should "boo" players who get stuck in and lump it, and cheer those who attempt to retain the ball, beat players with skill not their "footballing fists".

    If England play long ball tonight I'll be cheering on the Hungry Hungry Hungarians.

  • miroljub miroljub

    11 Aug 2010, 7:47AM

    I don't remember any of the Guardian sports columnists openly expressed his doubts and concerns upon Capello's appointment as England manager.

    I also do not remember any of the Guardian sports columnists seriously questioned Capello's World Cup selection policy.

    I do remember that a substantial number of the GU "sportsbloggers", and I was one of them, wrote here that the FA made a mistake by not taking a different approach to the national team coach problem and by not choosing a younger and a more adventurous candidate.

    I do remember that a substantial number of the GU "sportsbloggers", and I was one of them, criticised Capello's "too conservative" World Cup squad selection.

    Do the top Guardian sports writers now expect us to forget everything and jump onto Guardian's anti-Capello bandwagon?

  • Sweeting Sweeting

    11 Aug 2010, 7:47AM

    Switzerland (population: 7m)
    Bulgaria (7m)
    Wales (2m)
    Montenegro (600k)

    That's our qualifying group. Hard to see the England team that failed to get into Euro 2008 overcome Switzerland at home or away.

    At our last moderately successful tournament in 2002, we owed a great deal to Michael Owen and Beckham (and Trevor Sinclair!), but there has to come a time when you look at the diminishing returns of older players and call a halt.

    What exactly is the point of choosing players based on experience if it is only experience of underachievement?

  • NiceChappie NiceChappie

    11 Aug 2010, 8:02AM

    @MattLeHoosque. In principle you are right, but with this bunch I'm afraid letting "bygones be bygones" can simply not apply, and even as fans we have to draw a moral line in the sand somewhere:
    Remember the verified story of how certain England players taunted US tourists at an airport in the immediate aftermath of 9/11?
    Remember that DJ's battered face after having been hired to appear at a famous England midfielder's birthday gig? His crime? He refused to play a request.
    Remember when 50 prostitutes were bussed in from Newcastle to celebrate an England defender's birthday bash two years ago? Tasteless or what?
    Remember when a former England captain was photographed standing on a restaurant table refilling the guests' glasses with his urine?
    Remember the account of the inebriated England leftback who, after vomiting copiously in the back of the taxi, informed his disgusted companions that they should be honoured to share this moment with him?
    Now you may dismiss these "incidents" - and the list is endless - as the slightly tasteless misdemeanors of a bunch of boisterous young lads who meant no harm.
    I - pompous sod that I am - regard them as deplorable examples of the "I'm-an-idiolized-Premiership-footballer-and-can-do-what-the-f**k-I-like" mentality.
    At best these unpleasant individuals deserve our unmitigated contempt, and God forfend that my children should wish to emulate them in any whichway.

  • choppyseas choppyseas

    11 Aug 2010, 8:11AM

    miroljub

    Many true words spoken.

    The problem with the editorial stance of newspapers is that they are usually lagging a couple of steps behind what their readers are currently feeling.

    To some extent they under-estmate the intelligence of their readership and their ability to sort out the wheat from the chaff very quickly.

    One prime example of this was seen when the Guardian swiched it's support (mid election) to the Lib Democrats on the basis of short-lived public euphoria for Nick Clegg.

    The same holds true for football analysis. People like yourself have the luxury of being able to step back and question situations far more critically and reach conclusions that are totally logical

    I've no doubt that The Guardian knew that the England set-up was a complete joke before they got to SA but they couldn't say that.

  • mamahuhu mamahuhu

    11 Aug 2010, 8:24AM

    the world cup performances have been booed and whinged about.lets move on and start afresh.get behind the team ,it,ll provide a decent atmosphere more conducive to rebuilding.

  • Zakoo Zakoo

    11 Aug 2010, 8:25AM

    Let's get one thing straight for starters: England will not win an international tournament in the forseeable future

    Why?

    1. We can't keep the ball

    2. We can't keep the ball

    3. We can't keep the ball

  • Nimeth Nimeth

    11 Aug 2010, 8:40AM

    @Mamahu:

    the world cup performances have been booed and whinged about.lets move on and start afresh.get behind the team ,it,ll provide a decent atmosphere more conducive to rebuilding.

    If the players are the same, then there will be no rebuilding. Lampard has already said that the game doesn't matter, so his views on the opinion of the fans are obvious, as are Rooney's. Gerrard has graciously invited us all to have a moan before carrying on with business as usual. You really cannot count the number of times he has said something along the lines of "We have to learn the lessons, move on and do better next time." And yet he never does and the team never do.

    I agree that there are no obvious quality replacements, but a mass clear out now would help persuade coming Engalnd players that no-one is irreplacable, no-one is undroppable, and everyone has to play for their place, and show that they bloody well want to be there.

  • MrMydak MrMydak

    11 Aug 2010, 8:43AM

    @Mattlehoosque

    The Football League - 2006 (Record points total)
    Football League Second Division - 1994
    The Full Members Cup - 1988

    Thats what Reading won.

    On a similar note, when did 75% of the teams in the premiership last win anything at all?? They sit there and take their money for being in the top league, compete to stay in the league and nothing else. In the Prem it is a massive achievement to finish 6th,7th and 8th that isn't success, in any other league that is mediocre at best.

    The key change to me needs to be looking outside the premiership for players to play for England, as as been said higher up there are plenty of decent players there who could do very good jobs for England, including those who were not necessarily born here but qualify. Including (until may) probably the best dead ball striker playing in England in the form of Gylfi Siggurdson who has only just taken an Iceland cap.

    Cast the net wider, find players who will feel it is an honour to play and a duty to play well and we might do a lot better

  • shallowasapuddle shallowasapuddle

    11 Aug 2010, 8:52AM

    Drop Terry, Lampard and Gerrard. It's simple, really.

    That's the start that has to happen.
    Glen Johnson is no more than a glorified Danny Mills and as effective too. Upson should not be included in any squad, again, ever. SWP has the first touch of a blind cobbler, Crouch is an excuse to pump the ball higher than before, get rid of all of this lot as a priority.

    Then promote some of the younger players from the under 21s and prepare them for the future. One rule though, make sure they can pass the ball on the ground, have some tactical nous and understand the importance of not giving the ball away and winning it back when you haven't got it. It is that simple.

    If I see another Gerrard 60 yard cross-field pass when a man was free 10 yards away I shall chuck the telly in the street. That man has no tactical understanding nor discipline. Gerrard Houllier was dead right about Stevie-Me and his limitations. What a pity he didn't watch Lampard as well.

  • RichAlchemy RichAlchemy

    11 Aug 2010, 8:54AM

    @MrMydak

    probably the best dead ball striker playing in England in the form of Gylfi Siggurdson who has only just taken an Iceland cap.

    shhhh! At least till after the transfer window shuts.

    Oh, and add the Berks and Bucks senior cup 1994 to that list.

  • LawdMuck LawdMuck

    11 Aug 2010, 8:54AM

    Bloatboy

    Football is not warfare, the Dutch tried to make the final into a battle. They were beaten by a technically superior team.

    Correct, but they made it to the FINAL

  • EdictofNantes EdictofNantes

    11 Aug 2010, 8:55AM

    This article like most written about England is rubbish.

    The people who go and watch England are fans - geddit! Fans, that is people who support their team come hell or high water. Guardian 'footie nerds' might not understand this but that is what football (not footie) fans do.

    With the possible exception of Adam Johnson, Capello basically picked the best squad he had, ditto the first team with the exception there of Upson and Carragher who for differing reasons should never have been anywhere near the England team.

  • WorrierQueen WorrierQueen

    11 Aug 2010, 9:07AM

    Capello wasn't up to it before the world cup and is certainly not up for it now. You'll never get the best out of this group of skittish fillies by screaming abuse at them. A hopeless choice by the FA from the start.

    What the players want is the love of 'arry Redknapp, and after he has ceased helping police with their enquiries, hopefully he will at last be given the chance to grasp the tiller from the cold dead hand of Capello.

  • WorrierQueen WorrierQueen

    11 Aug 2010, 9:08AM

    shallowasapuddle

    " Upson should not be included in any squad,"

    Why? Did you see some flaw in his play in SA that escaped the rest of us? Upson is one of the few players who can hold his head high after that hapless dispirited performance by the 'Golden Generation' (that lame cliche always cracks me up).

  • Sweeting Sweeting

    11 Aug 2010, 9:12AM

    The thing with nice players is that they do not necessarily play football better than ones deemed to be nasty. What players get up to in their spare time is none of our business. Same goes for mechanics, lawyers, teachers and any other profession.

    David James, an articulate man who has donated a good deal of time and money to charity, looks to have played his last game for England, and that is as it should be, given his age and poor performances at the highest level.

    Here's my team for tonight's game (from the squad already chosen):
    Hart (Manchester City),
    A Cole (Chelsea), Dawson (Tottenham), Jagielka (Everton), Gibbs (Arsenal),
    A Johnson (Manchester City), Milner (Aston Villa), Young (Aston Villa), Wilshere (Arsenal);
    Rooney (Manchester United), Zamora (Fulham).

  • DickGrayson DickGrayson

    11 Aug 2010, 9:13AM

    A decent article.

    I don't think there will be any booing tonight; why would anyone pay £60 or however much it is to boo the team?

    Drop Terry, Lampard and Gerrard. It's simple, really.

    I'm in two minds about this. Is it that simple? And then... what, that's it? Everything's immediately better? On the other hand, I kind of agree; lets start phasing in youngsters now because come Euro 2012 Terry & Gerrard will be 32 and Lampard will be 34.

    My heart did sink somewhat when I saw the same old faces named in the squad though.

  • Derk Derk

    11 Aug 2010, 9:13AM

    The vuvuzelas may have been banned but there is nothing to stop England fans becoming a human Booboozelas.

    England has played slow defensive terrible long ball football at 2010, 2006 and some games in 2002. I don't mind England being a medicore team, that lacks brains and technique to be a world cup semi-finalist, runner up or winner, but they have players good enough to play attacking football.

    I hate the dishonesty from the media about the England team and I hate the spin doctor PR that comes from people within the team itself. That is the problem with the UK especially when it comes to public bodies they feel a few positive words to the media is enough to solve a problem.

    Steven Gerrard said that England were not technically inferior to Spain and he said it without a hint of sarcasm. Where are these magical English defenders that are comfortable on the ball and don't hit the ball long at every opportunity like Pique? Where are the forwards that are as good as Torres and Villa? Rooney is not that player and only the dishonesty of the English media that hyped this player to be one of the best in the world, after one good season where he scored many goals, led to the many sheep like England fans thinking they had god upfront for England. Were are England midfielders with passing range, skill and intelligence of Alonso, Iniesta and Xavi? Barry? I spent three years saying Barry is a mediocre player that he was being hyped by the midland based media because they were desperate for a Aston Villa player to be in the team. I said he always gets shown up by good teams and would be found out by any good team as a defensive midfielder who can't defend and offer anything in an attacking sense. Germany exposed my fears as I expected.

    The fact Milner is about to join Man City for £25 Million shows everything that is wrong with English football. Milner is nothing more than an average player in global terms. He got a lot of hype from the midland based journalist like Barry did before him because he was the new Aston Villa great white hope. The national media and TV media pick up on the hype because he scores a few goals in a short space of games (note not against any of the top 7 premier league teams). He suddenly becomes viewed as the future of England because the fans love a worker more than technique and skill and you have Man City owners dumb enough to believe the hype. They spend 25 Million on such a low quality player and suddenly any team in the four division thinks if they have a player that works hard and cross ball is worth close to 25 Million if Milner is worth that, pricing English players out of moves to bigger clubs.

  • MrMydak MrMydak

    11 Aug 2010, 9:14AM

    @EdictofNantes

    no, no, no...

    did you miss the post world cup memo?

    it was decided that capello picked the best players available, but forgot that he was meant to pick a team, and that a team is different from 11 players

  • miroljub miroljub

    11 Aug 2010, 9:28AM

    @DickGrayson

    A decent article.

    I don't think there will be any booing tonight; why would anyone pay £60 or however much it is to boo the team?

    Would £20 be the right price for booing Ashley Cole?

  • stumlambert stumlambert

    11 Aug 2010, 9:44AM

    I don't care.

    I don't care.

    I don't care.

    The fact that so many people on here are engaging in long posts about what should or shouldn't be done highlights the very problem: that folk are hopelessly wedded to our national team, regardless of whether they loathe half of the individuals, and will thus happily soak up all the media hype and nonsense, thereby feeding the whole machine that creates the solipsistic England monster.

    Until people genuinely don't care - meaning articles like this have 0 comments beneath them, or don't exist in the first place - then there will be no boycott of an England game. Thousands of idiots will turn up tonight to watch a pointless game. Who cares? Leave them to it. Don't write about it.

  • choppyseas choppyseas

    11 Aug 2010, 9:49AM

    What is this??

    A national debate on the moral ethics of booing Terry, Cole, Rooney et al.

    Steven Gerrard even acting as the conductor of the band by telling us how to do it. Boo the senior players but not too loudly. Play with restraint when it comes to the new faces. Reach a crescendo for Capello.

    Now I know that this country has gone to hell in a handcart when the bull is giving instructions to the matador.

    Boo if you like but just stop going on about it.

  • akno akno

    11 Aug 2010, 10:04AM

    no, no, no...

    did you miss the post world cup memo?

    it was decided that capello picked the best players available, but forgot that he was meant to pick a team, and that a team is different from 11 players

    He did pick a good team, but then he realised he wasn't Spain's manager

  • miroljub miroljub

    11 Aug 2010, 10:20AM

    Perhaps it is time to take a look at what this instinctive natural knowledge of good health might look like in our modern culture. I feel that it is not that much different than it has been for millions of years. This "knowledge" probably includes simple things like sunshine, pure water, sleeping when the sun sets, relying on wholesome foods from nature, having daily alone time in the outdoors, living physically active lives in communities of loving supportive people and passionately booing your own team and players whether they underperform or not.

  • ConDimedtoDeath ConDimedtoDeath

    11 Aug 2010, 10:26AM

    Is it just me or would anyone else like to see an England manager pick a system of play and then pick the right players to fit in the system. And then stick with it?

    Capello has done what every other England manager has done since I've been old enough to watch. He picks a formation and then shoehorns the "stars" into positions that they aren't suited to or are not prepared to stay in (I'm thinking Steven Gerrard, who could not stay on the left of midfield, always moving into the middle). He then fails to drop the massive under performers (Rooney).

    I think the French had the right idea of how to deal with petulant, under performers. Drop the whole lot and start again. You can always bring one or two back later, but an initial clean break was the minimum we should have expected for this pointless, badly timed friendly.

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