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Sylvester Stallone defends violence in The Expendables

Hollywood star says men behaving badly towards women face the roughest justice in latest action film

Sylvester Stallone with Jason Statham and Dolph Lundgren
Sylvester Stallone, centre, with Jason Statham and Dolph Lundgren: 'I always believe the violence is justifiable,' said Stallone. Photograph: Richard Young/Rex Features

It's a film with more shootings, stabbings, punchings and aerobatic machine-gunnings than the rest of the year's movies put together but Sylvester Stallone arrived in the UK today with some words of reassurance: "I always believe the violence is justifiable," he said. "The one thing in my films ... I only kill people that need to be killed."

  1. The Expendables
  2. Production year: 2010
  3. Country: USA
  4. Cert (UK): 15
  5. Runtime: 103 mins
  6. Directors: Sylvester Stallone
  7. Cast: Bruce Willis, Dolph Lundgren, Eric Roberts, Jason Statham, Jet Li, Mickey Rourke, Sylvester Stallone
  8. More on this film

And then there are people who need to be killed in an even worse way than those who simply need to be killed – the men who do terrible things to women. "Let me put it this way," he told a press conference in London. "The ones that deserve it get it and they get it good and the ones that go after women really get it, you know what I mean? Really get it. People say: 'Oh, isn't that overkill?' and I say 'I'm not going to have a man having his way with a woman and wrecking her life and just shoot him with a bullet - it's too civilised. He's going to feel real pain'."

Stallone was at the UK premiere of The Expendables, a film he wrote, directed and stars in, alongside a who's who of action movie stars including Jason Statham, Jet Li, Dolph Lundgren, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Bruce Willis, Mickey Rourke, Randy Couture and Steve Austin.

He admitted there was a lot of testosterone, aggression and competitiveness on set. Sitting alongside Lundgren and Statham he said: "Men are just naturally competitive and they want to keep upping the ante."

The phrase old school was used a lot today and Statham said it had been fun to make a movie of "real men doing real action", adding: "The action directors of today tend to rely on the movie as a visual and it becomes very boring because it's a lot of CG [computer graphics] and you don't know much about it."

There are two women in the film. Charisma Carpenter plays one who is physically abused by her partner and Giselle Itié plays another in need of rescue by Stallone's squad of expendable mercenaries. "I didn't want something that was a little too complex, a little too controversial, a little too politically correct, I wanted old school."

Stallone, the star of six Rockys and four Rambos, said he hoped The Expendables would be back and that he had little appetite for serious drama. "I've done my mind movies and I don't think people are very interested in seeing me do that any more. I think I'm past my prime in doing dramatic films, it would feel almost like a pathetic cry out to be recognised as a serious dramaturge."

The Expendables, which has had prerelease audiences cheering every name on the credits, opens in the UK this week and Stallone has undoubtedly pulled off a coup in getting cameo performances from Willis and Schwarzenegger. He did try others: "I called Jean-Claude Van Damme and Steven Seagal and they just had different ideas on their … career, so … I did the best I could, you know."


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  • ButterflyBlu ButterflyBlu

    9 Aug 2010, 9:34PM

    "He's going to feel real pain!" There's a cliche if ever I heard one. I bet there are loads of them like that in the film. I wonder how many kills there are in the first hour? Old school action hero movie blockbuster mayhem.

    My brother went to the premier and he hasn't stopped smiling since then. Man I can't wait to see this movie!

  • Malik388 Malik388

    9 Aug 2010, 10:13PM

    Of course it's going to have excessive violence, just look at who's in it!

    It shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.
    It's like going to Essex and seeing slags.

  • PilkingtonsMagpie PilkingtonsMagpie

    9 Aug 2010, 10:54PM

    the violence in the expendables is in no way excessive. it merely harks back to a golden age before the fast cutting handicam ladies defused the true power of a decent fight scene with their mtv style ways with an edit button.

    i'm in line for this film no doubting it, with the same greedy fervour i had as a child in the shady loval video shop trying to grasp for Commando on the top shelf. this is the stuff of legend.

  • Promethea Promethea

    9 Aug 2010, 11:14PM

    I was already stupidly excited about this film but wait, you're telling me Cordelia from Buffy is in it as well? HELL YEAH! Can't wait!

    Really, what were Seagal and Van Damme thinking? How could they miss out on the chance to be in this? I just hope that they see the movie, reconsider and shoot scenes which can be spliced into a director's cut.

    The above two paras look like I'm being ironic or something, but I'm actually not. It looks lots of fun, old school style, in the way that the A Team remake sounds like it should have been but isn't.

    I think I'm past my prime in doing dramatic films, it would feel almost like a pathetic cry out to be recognised as a serious dramaturge. ... I did the best I could, you know.

    Aw, that actually makes me feel a little sad for Sly. Poor old Sly, he so wanted to be taken seriously, all that painting and stuff. Worse actors/writers have managed to carve out dramatic credibility (I liked Copland too) and Arnie even got taken seriously enough to get elected. Of course, the Botox doesn't help.

  • stewpot stewpot

    10 Aug 2010, 12:41AM

    I'm not going to have a man having his way with a woman and wrecking her life and just shoot him with a bullet - it's too civilised. He's going to feel real pain

    Didn't Sly Staloon have his way with Naomi Campbell and make a video of it? Surely the start of Naomi's humiliations? The question is, does he deserve a bullet or is he going to feel real pain?

    a who's who of action movie stars including Jason Statham, Jet Li, Dolph Lundgren, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Bruce Willis, Mickey Rourke, Randy Couture and Steve Austin.

    A who's who of thoroughly expendable straight-to-video farts, dwinkie-dwonkie has-beens and nincompoops.

    For your next project, Sly Staloon, how about "The Disposables" or "The Consumables" or "The Discardables"? Or "The Laughables"?

  • OneCrossEach OneCrossEach

    10 Aug 2010, 1:13AM

    I've done my mind movies and I don't think people are very interested in seeing me do that any more.

    Hilarious!..... just have a quick peruse of Sly's filmography to see a long list of his 'mind movies'.... comedy gold!
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066808/

    well i suppose he did get to play Subway Thug no.2 (uncredited) in Woody Allen's Bananas in 1971.....

  • redbeach redbeach

    10 Aug 2010, 1:19AM

    Steven Seagal probably didn't want to appear in this movie because he is a Buddhist and is quoted as saying that it is his 'mission in life to promote peace throughout the world'. He has so far starred in films such as 'Hard to Kill', 'Exit Wound', and 'Half Past Dead'. Buddha's name be praised!

  • RobDee RobDee

    10 Aug 2010, 1:54AM

    Sounds like great fun. I look forward to it. Tongue in cheek, no doubt, except I would be afraid of biting it off when one of the bad guys really gets it..

  • Canuck Canuck

    10 Aug 2010, 3:09AM

    Ya gotta give the man credit for two things: he knows his market, and he knows how to use the word "dramaturge" in a sentence.

    Beautifully American, he should have just said "I yam wat I yam."

  • TonyPancake TonyPancake

    10 Aug 2010, 4:50AM

    redbeach

    Steven Seagal probably didn't want to appear in this movie because he is a Buddhist and is quoted as saying that it is his 'mission in life to promote peace throughout the world'. He has so far starred in films such as 'Hard to Kill', 'Exit Wound', and 'Half Past Dead'. Buddha's name be praised!

    Yeah - he also made "Ice Cream and Jelly on Elm Street", "Lethal Apron lll" and "The Texas Comfy Cushion".

  • Achim Achim

    10 Aug 2010, 5:57AM

    Hey, come on everybody don't be so harsh! It's not meant to be taken seriously at all.
    Anyway, it's must see viewing for anyone who remembers these guys in the 80's when they were in there prime (Statham excluded) because if anything it'll be a great laugh!!!

  • tonycreedon tonycreedon

    10 Aug 2010, 5:59AM

    Verlaine 76

    I should also add that I had a great night the night I went to see Snakes on Planes.

    I somehow doubt that The Expendables will be that same tongue in cheek, jump out of your seat and fall back laughing kind of experience.

    If it is i will eat my Snakes on Planes T-shirt.

    I will buy a Snakes on Planes T-shirt and eat it.

  • JoshRogan JoshRogan

    10 Aug 2010, 6:28AM

    This is Stallone remember so there's no point even putting on the Barry Norman hat.
    Everyone knows it will be crap as crap can be, and yet - even if we wait till it hits HBO - we will watch it.
    Stallone is a very shrewd dude and not the meathead he appears.
    Copland was possibly his best performance - and why not?

  • ab4769 ab4769

    10 Aug 2010, 9:20AM

    If only Van Damme had agreed to it, that would have been the icing on the cake. The amount of shoddy films him and Seagal have brought out lately and they turned this down???

    I'm still really looking forward to it though, woop woop!

  • leonore leonore

    10 Aug 2010, 9:21AM

    Well I won't pay money to see it but I'll watch it when it comes on TV. This reminds me of that Bert Lancaster and Kirk Douglas movie Tough Guys. They really don't make them like that anymore - stars I mean. Actually Seagal and van Damme are much more cerebral people than the cast of this 'epic'. But Stallone has had his moments, always watchable.
    What is it with these Italians that they all get to look alike as they get older?

  • Semioclasm Semioclasm

    10 Aug 2010, 9:33AM

    This is a total goldmine of ludicrous quotations.

    'I'm not going to have a man having his way with a woman and wrecking her life and just shoot him with a bullet - it's too civilised

    Damn right.

    I think I'm past my prime in doing dramatic films

    Is he not pas his prime a bit for bounding about too? At what age is it sensible to stop injecting yuorself with human growth hormones?

    And surely Sly has one big Peter Sellers in Being There type sentimental role in him? Where he plays a simple minded old boxer or a gardener who develops a deeps relationship with a troubled kid?

    And dies like Michael Corleone in Godfather 3 in a sunlit garden with laods of bad makeup?

    I've done my mind movies

    What's a mind movie? I didn't mind Cobra, Daylight and Copland. But Over The Top? Demolition Man? God help us, the Get Carter remake?

    I only kill people that need to be killed

    a great epitaph.

  • 5h1t4brainz 5h1t4brainz

    10 Aug 2010, 10:00AM

    Stallone was at the UK premiere of The Expendables, a film he wrote, directed and stars in,alongside a who's who of action movie stars including Jason Statham, Jet Li, Dolph Lundgren, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Bruce Willis, Mickey Rourke................Randy Couture and Steve Austin......Eh, remind me againwhich copy of Who's Who book of Action Movie Stars your reading.

  • joseph1832 joseph1832

    10 Aug 2010, 10:02AM

    leonore: "Actually Seagal and van Damme are much more cerebral people than the cast of this 'epic'."

    Dolph Lundgren has a masters degree in Chemical Engineering and was awarded a Fulbright Scholarship. Read his biography, and he is bloody Renaissance Man.

    Stallone got a best original screenplay Oscar nomination for Rocky. You need to be quite talented for that.

    I am sure this is not to many Guardian readers' tastes - although the comments show that they are an eclectic bunch - but don't simply denounce those involve indiscriminately. (Although if you want to slag off Mickey Rourke, I'm with you allt he way.)

  • HarryMalarkey HarryMalarkey

    10 Aug 2010, 10:23AM

    a who's who of action movie stars including Jason Statham, Jet Li, Dolph Lundgren, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Bruce Willis, Mickey Rourke, Randy Couture and Steve Austin.

    A who's who of thoroughly expendable straight-to-video farts, dwinkie-dwonkie has-beens and nincompoops.

    Statham's last four films have taken a quarter billion at the box office, Willis' last two have grossed 170 million and Rourke was Oscar-nominated and won a BAFTA and a Golden Globe two years ago. I know what you are trying to say, but sweeping generalisations are not the way to get your point across.

  • Cosmodemon Cosmodemon

    10 Aug 2010, 10:25AM

    Violence is only justifiable if it precedes or follows a withering one-line put-down...

    "Dont wake my friend, he's dead tired."

    If the film does not contain dialogue of this quality I'm complaining directly to the United Nations.

  • iwasphone iwasphone

    10 Aug 2010, 11:04AM

    @Cosmodemon

    Best example has to be Commando:

    "Let off some steam!"

    *stabs with steam pipe*

    If the bad guy isn't a pudgy, balding man in a chain-mail vest, I'll complain with you.

  • Semioclasm Semioclasm

    10 Aug 2010, 2:05PM

    Actually Seagal and van Damme are much more cerebral people than the cast of this 'epic'

    This film will be an epic without qualification or inverted comma.

    maybe the finest piece of cinematic art since those misfits got together in Armageddon to save the world. .

    Seagal is not cerebral. I've seen his cop show. Where he goes round with some of those bad boys in an American city abnd they arrest pimps who look at him and go "hey wait a minute...aren't you Steven Seagal?" and he delivers a sermon on the morals of clean living and the true nature of justice.

    Too bad that Van Damme is AWOL. I liked his sensitive, charming performance in JCVD. As soon as he did a film in French he turns into this existential Gallic anti-hero like Jean Paul Belmondo or Jean Reno. All they would need to have done is come up with some generic foreign accenteded place for him to be from in the Expendables or one of its hopefully forthcoming sequels and bob's you're uncle. And I bet Double Impact and Nowhere to Run are awesome dubbed in French.

  • nishville nishville

    10 Aug 2010, 2:33PM

    "Shut up, hippies: movie violence is awesome. Bring back 80s action!"(seventh)

    There was at least one hippie who could've shared your enthusiasm...unfortunately, Charlie is doing life for some real time violence so he won't be available to share the popcorn with you at the premierre.

  • nishville nishville

    10 Aug 2010, 2:37PM

    "A long-haired 60s flower child was a “hippie.” “Hippy” is an adjective describing someone with wide hips. The IE is not caused by a Y changing to IE in the plural as in “puppy” and “puppies.” It is rather a dismissive diminutive, invented by older, more sophisticated hipsters looking down on the new kids as mere “hippies.”

    So, which one is it, Chairmaster?

  • ubik109 ubik109

    11 Aug 2010, 5:51PM

    If Stallone knew what a dramaturge was he most definitely would know that people would not want to see him as one...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dramaturge

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