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Tories: mess with milk at your peril

If Conservative ministers don't understand, it here's what's so wrong about getting rid of milk for the under-fives

A child enjoying her daily source of calcium and vitamins
A child enjoying her daily source of calcium, proteins and vitamins. Photograph: Getty

It doesn't rhyme, obviously. But that's not why David Cameron won't be known as a "milk snatcher". He understands, thanks largely to Margaret Thatcher (who is still known as that, even 40 years after the deed) that as a politician, you mess with free school milk at your peril.

But other than the unbearable opprobrium that scrapping it would inevitably bring (as Mrs T later wrote, ending free milk for the over-sevens "incurred the maximum of political odium for the minimum of political benefit"), is there a good reason why we still give every child in approved daycare a daily 189ml of milk until they are five?

In a time of severe economic depression, poverty, food rationing and major public health problems (wartime, basically), the 1944 Education Act granted every child in a government-maintained school a free third of a pint of milk a day. As conditions improved, this was stopped in 1968 for the over-11s, and the over-sevens in 1971.

These days, when there can be barely a family in the country that could genuinely not afford to give their children a few mouthfuls of milk a day, is it still justified for the under-fives? Is that small daily intake of translucent white liquid really so essential?

The junior health minister who proposed axing the scheme, Anne Milton – an NHS nurse for 25 years, and married to the director of public health at a primary care trust – plainly has her doubts. As does Professor Ian Gilmore of the Royal College of Physicians, who backs free school milk but concedes that it is "extremely difficult" to gather "cast-iron evidence" of its benefits.

Milk, of course, provides many of the nutrients needed for growth, and not too many calories. That third of a pint contains half a five-year-old's recommended dietary allowance of calcium, as well as a third of their daily vitamin A, vitamin B12 and protein needs. It's also a good source of zinc, iodine and niacin.

And while children can obtain most of those nutrients elsewhere by eating, for example, plenty of fruit, veg and fish, the point is that many of them don't. So in the view of many health experts, nutritionists and GPs, free school milk remains hugely important. Because where once it was a world war that highlighted the importance of a healthy diet, now it's snacks, convenience food and ignorance.


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  • Blobbenstein Blobbenstein

    9 Aug 2010, 8:42PM

    If the issue is nutrition then shouldn't the government do things properly, and supply a specifically fortified drink with ALL that a child needs nutritionaly, and not just give them something with some of what they need?

  • VforVintage VforVintage

    9 Aug 2010, 9:28PM

    Even if 'most' people can afford the few pence to give their child milk, the ones who will not be given milk are helped by this system, at a time they most need it. However it is not 'nutrition' that we are really talking about, it is ideology. The panic that engulfed the coalition does not hide the ruthlessness of well off members of society having the desire to make life more difficult for the poor. The only reason it has been shelved is not because the cuts were wrong in the eyes of Tories ( Daily Maul loved the idea ) but because too many cages were rattled. Bad publicity, not seeing the light is the only reason that our childrens milk is safe. Are the ConDems voters embarrassed yet?

  • Zarahustra Zarahustra

    9 Aug 2010, 10:05PM

    I hated the milk when I was at school. It costs £50 million, and is a huge waste. Everything that the government does is a waste, especially when individuals can do it themselves. Look up the broken window fallacy if you want to see how government interventions never help even if they are genuinely motivated by benevolence ( and they are not usually, this is just a PR gloss).

  • Zarahustra Zarahustra

    9 Aug 2010, 10:11PM

    The nanny state wants to bail out bankers, bail out rich businesses, like Soviet Russia it wants to educate, feed, give medicine, build roads, do everything that individuals could do better themselves. Make war abroad, this increases the power of the State at home, private businesses benefit with close links to the State, welfare to the rich, meanwhile individuals lose their liberty and are regimented. Smash the State, rid us of all taxation, all banks including the mother of them the Bank of England, get rid of fiat currency, call our troops back home, and we will all prosper and be free.

  • DeanMorrison DeanMorrison

    9 Aug 2010, 11:39PM

    The milk is any case subsidised by the EU, and helps out the Tories friends in the farming industry - not really much sense for them to cut it.

    The Tory nanny state will continue to bail out the class of people that still employ nannies - the rest of us will have to suffer cuts to subsidise them... ;)

  • paullafargue paullafargue

    9 Aug 2010, 11:53PM

    As a child and teenager I loved the free school milk and I'm convinced it helped make me into the 6 foot tall 16 stone handsome fit strong guy that I am today. HEHE!
    At sixty two I've still got all my own teeth, sadly apart from one, and I have no use for viagra.
    I particularly enjoyed woodwork lessons as we could confiscate several bottles of the the white nectar from the milk crates stored nearby and consume them secretly throughout the lessons.
    I also loved the delicious school meals which were charged for at a modest price and I always had seconds and even thirds, thanks to the sympathetic dinner ladies who enjoyed being complimented on their good looks and beautiful hairstyles.

  • Kath20 Kath20

    10 Aug 2010, 12:47AM

    They should keep giving the milk. It's not just about the health benefits, proven or otherwise. It's about demonstrating what is an appropriate drink for kids - not coke, fanta etc. Encouraging good eating habits is what we all need, especially kids, and with obesity and poor dental hygeine in kids soaring, this cut is the last thing society needs.

    Carry on with the moo juice.

  • alexZANDER alexZANDER

    10 Aug 2010, 2:17AM

    They banned fizzy drinks in my old school, about 6 years ago. Instead we had a choice of water, or Oasis, not exactly the most healthy choices, water excluded obviously.

    Anyways, kids still wanted fizzy drinks, so my cousin, showing entrepreneurial spirit that aparantly we all have to have now, spotted a gap in the market. Smuggled in the black and orange stuff from outside, sold it and made a tidy profit. I swear it was like prohabition and he was running a childrens speak easy.

    My point is, they banned it, they still wanted it, they got it. Once you take it away you mess with peoples choice, democracy and all that. This is mainly directed to the message by RobDee, which for all I know may have been sarcastic renderring my jabbering useless now, but oh well.

    Oh and the milk thing, as I think someone already suggested, most should technically afford to provide milk to children, but not all do provide it regardless of how much income they get. So its unfair to take it away from that select group just because someone somewhere feels that kids get far too much milk from school. So what, its not like its drugs, we aren't spending millions on 189ml cartons of cocaine, its milk, its good for you, it should stay, and so say all(most) of us...

  • sidewaysantelope sidewaysantelope

    10 Aug 2010, 7:02AM

    But is cow juice an appropriate drink for kids? Really? It nearly killed me when I was a kid. I had to have free orange squash instead, which was the only alternative. Hardly health-giving.

  • WolfieKate WolfieKate

    10 Aug 2010, 7:15AM

    Storm in a t cup. Under fives are at home a lot and most Mums rich or poor will give them milk. Fruit and veg are a bigger worry, I would have thought free fruit juice would be better in this day and age. Milk is overrrated.

  • mrsmckenny mrsmckenny

    10 Aug 2010, 8:28AM

    I didn't know they still got milk at school, but if keeping it for health reasons why are they wanting to get rid of free school meals? hmm.....priority a little mixed up here?

  • IsMyHamster IsMyHamster

    10 Aug 2010, 8:40AM

    I do so love CiF. Never have so many a***holes been gathered in one place so quickly.

    Think you numpties. Its under fives in nurseries. How many under 5s who are in nurseries because their parents are working are feeding them fizzy pop! Those placements are paid for one way or another. It doesn't need to be subsidised.

    And to the idiots claiming milk is not a health food - virtually all foods at age 5 and under in balance are health foods. A recent study looked at all the over reacting about 5 fruit and veg a day (and amazingly its different from country to country, as is a 'portion') and discovered that those obsessively pumping raw fruit and veg down th elittle ones necks weren't feeding them enough fats and calories!

    Its yet another non story for the opinionated yet stupid to rant about.

  • gatz gatz

    10 Aug 2010, 8:46AM

    Keep on giving it out and expand circulation to include primary schools. I credit school milk with giving the skills to cope with adult life, by encouraging me to become a milk monitor so I could abuse my power by secretly missing my desk out when I distributed the foul, luke warm gloop. I was also open to bribes from other pupils.

  • Apeguy Apeguy

    10 Aug 2010, 8:48AM

    @Zarahustra

    Stop and think for a moment, will you? Talk a walk into town, look around. How much of the infrastructure was built by 'individuals?'

    Or don't bother leaving home, just turn on a tap or a light switch. Did your precious individualism conjure up that stuff for you?

    It doesn't grow on trees

  • dutchdan dutchdan

    10 Aug 2010, 9:15AM

    Cow's milk is great, free cow's milk is even greater and people bothered about it should get some perspective.

    I do so love CiF. Never have so many a***holes been gathered in one place so quickly. Think you numpties....Its yet another non story for the opinionated yet stupid to rant about.

    Sorry Hamster, but even though your post was informed, it makes you sound a bit like an a**hole yourself......, jus' saying' likes...

  • neecheecat neecheecat

    10 Aug 2010, 9:41AM

    I dreaded having milk at school, it was always luke warm and disgusting. It's actually the main reason I still avoid it to this day. Disgusting stuff.

    How about the add some broccoli, kale or collard greens to school meals instead?

  • soundarchive soundarchive

    10 Aug 2010, 9:42AM

    An article by Anne Karpf, still available via the Guardian online, sets out/quotes the main arguments that effectively debunk the emotive statement; 'milk is good for you'.

    The current Coalition milk debate/disarray, is nothing more or less than a PR screw-up.

    Dairy monsters -
    We used to take it for granted that milk was good for us. But now the industry faces a crisis, with the public questioning such assumptions. So just how healthy is milk? Anne Karpf investigates.............

    * Anne Karpf
    * The Guardian, Saturday 13 December 2003
    * Article history

  • Pepperthecat Pepperthecat

    10 Aug 2010, 10:07AM

    I hated school milk so much that I was never able to play outside in morning break, because it took me all breaktime to swallow the foul stuff - even when the teacher gave me my bottle ten minutes before everyone else. My sisters were more devious: one used to wait till everyone had left the classroom, then pour a tiny amount of her unwanted milk into everyone else's empty bottles. My other sister would simply pour it away through gaps in the floorboards.

  • Moofleur Moofleur

    10 Aug 2010, 10:15AM

    BongoW - free fruit is already provided to infant school aged children.

    The School Fruit and Vegetable Scheme is part of the 5 A DAY programme to increase fruit and vegetable consumption. All four to six year old children in LEA maintained infant, primary and special schools are entitled to a free piece of fruit or vegetable each school day.

    Following the success of the early pilots, £42million of lottery money supported the expansion of the scheme region by region. In January 2004, the Department of Health announced that it would fund the scheme after the lottery funding ceased in March 2005 and expanded the scheme further to include all English regions by November 2004. The roll out of the scheme was complete in November 2004, and now nearly 2 million children in over 16,000 schools receive a free piece of fruit or vegetable every day.

  • WalneyGirl WalneyGirl

    10 Aug 2010, 11:01AM

    Oh, the winter of 62-63! Week after week, the bottles in their crates, a tower of frozen milk with a little silver cap protruding from the bottle tops. Put them on the radiators until they become luke-warm curds, and then make the kids drink it.

    Disgusting!

  • loftytom loftytom

    10 Aug 2010, 11:18AM

    Who first got rid of School milk?

    Oops, that was Labour when Harold Wilson removed milk from secondary schools pupils in 1968.

    Funny that this is only mentioned in the article with the date but not attribution to the government responsible.
    Harold Wilson, milk snatcher anyone?
    Thought not.

    Nor have any labour government, even that of the Caledonian economic illiterate, thought of bringing milk back,

  • 4danglier 4danglier

    10 Aug 2010, 11:31AM

    This is irritating. When will journalists leasrn science?

    it is "extremely difficult" to gather "cast-iron evidence" of its benefits.

    And that comes from a supporter!
    What it really means is that scientific evidence does not support giving out free school milk. IMHO it is then irresponsible for JH to go into a load of pseudoscientific quackery about "nutrients" supplied by milk, which are, of course, also supplied in various amounts by everything kids eat and drink, in varying proportions, including junk.

    Science needs evidence. If there's no evidence, it's not science. The estimable Ben Goldacre writes about this all the time in this paper.

    If you support it for other reasons like Kath20 that's another thing altogether, but please stop peddling psuedoscience to try to justify it.

    A quality newspapershould be setting a better example.

  • beautifulanddamned beautifulanddamned

    10 Aug 2010, 11:40AM

    Our Scottish groundskeeper, Wiley, used to keep a cupboard full of Rats for milking so that our Principal, Mr Skinner, could save the taxpayers milk money to clean the grafitti from the schoolgrounds.

  • Green123 Green123

    10 Aug 2010, 12:28PM

    Urgh! Our school milk was always warm - in the summer it arrived warm and was almost cheese by breaktime, in the winter it arrived frozen and had to be defrosted on the radiator leaving it as an odd slushy mess. I seem to remember our packed lunches were stored next to the same radiator as well, all year round.

    It's no wonder I've got a cast-iron stomach now after ingesting all of those bacteria...

  • Datsuncog Datsuncog

    10 Aug 2010, 12:31PM

    Going by reports from friends and family who work in childcare, a good deal of the milk delivered goes undrunk as the kids refuse it, or have been diagnosed as lactose intolerant. Kids who get nothing but fizzy drinks at home are apparently least likely to drink their milk (though I'm sure there are exceptions). Kids who do drink it get it at home anyway. I thought the whole point of this massive review of government expenditure was to identify wastage?

    Another chance to better spend the limited resources we have is therefore missed by emotive rhetoric about how nice your school milk in days of yore was, without recourse to, y'know, reality.

  • RobDee RobDee

    10 Aug 2010, 12:48PM

    alexZANDER

    My point is, they banned it, they still wanted it, they got it. Once you take it away you mess with peoples choice, democracy and all that. This is mainly directed to the message by RobDee, which for all I know may have been sarcastic renderring my jabbering useless now, but oh well.

    True enough. Fizzy drinks machines should still be removed from schools though. And a good healthy meal should be provided.

    Just because fizzy drinks and bad food can be bought outside of school, it doesn't mean that some kind of effort should be made to change eating/drinking habits.

    We're talking health of the nation here.

  • Molly22 Molly22

    10 Aug 2010, 2:01PM

    It strikes me as odd that no where in this debate have I seen the issue of lactose intolerance raised. In post-war Britain, when the population was predominantly Western and white, free cow's milk would have been a very quick and easy way to get lots of nutrients into children. However, in today's much more diverse society, instances of lactose intolerance must be much higher. People of non-Western heritage are much much more likely to be unable to digest cow's milk than those with Northern European ancestors. In some cases it can actually make people very ill. Surely this should be taken into account?

  • Molly22 Molly22

    10 Aug 2010, 2:02PM

    It strikes me as odd that no where in this debate have I seen the issue of lactose intolerance raised. In post-war Britain, when the population was predominantly Western and white, free cow's milk would have been a very quick and easy way to get lots of nutrients into children. However, in today's much more diverse society, instances of lactose intolerance must be much higher. People of non-Western heritage are much much more likely to be unable to digest cow's milk than those with Northern European ancestors. In some cases it can actually make people very ill. Surely this should be taken into account?

  • DeepRed1981 DeepRed1981

    10 Aug 2010, 10:17PM

    Our teachers always left the milk sitting in the crates until well past lunchtime- so they could enjoy sadistically watching us drink our hot, sour bottles of yoghurt.
    Gave me a lifelong horror of drinking milk. Yeugch.

    Eeh bah gum, if we had to suffer through it, it's only fair the next generation should too! <grumble grumble="grumble"> :D</grumble>

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