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Premier League preview No2: Aston Villa

Unless Martin O'Neill can bring in some last-minute bargains before the transfer window closes this could be a much tougher season for his side

Martin O'Neill
Does a tough season lie in wait for Martin O'Neill? Photograph: Andrew Yates/AFP

Guardian writers' prediction: 8th (NB: this is not necessarily Stuart James's prediction, but the average of our writers' tips)

Last season's position: 6th

Odds to win the league: 200-1

This time last year I suggested that unless there was a flurry of activity before the transfer window shut – and as it happens Richard Dunne, James Collins and Stephen Warnock arrived just before business closed – Aston Villa faced the prospect of going backwards under Martin O'Neill for the first time. Twelve months later the same sentiments appear to apply after another disruptive and underwhelming close-season at Villa Park.

Disruptive again because Manchester City's pursuit of James Milner has mirrored the Gareth Barry saga two years ago, and underwhelming again because of the familiar lack of transfer activity before a new season starts. With a sell-to-buy policy in place, O'Neill needs to move people on, but at the time of writing not one of the six senior players who Villa would listen to offers for – and whose collective wages are close to £250,000 a week in return for no more than the odd outing – has found a new club.

One thing is for sure, no one can criticise Randy Lerner for reining in spending after the last set of accounts (which cover the 2008-09 season). Villa's wage bill increased alarmingly, by 42%, to £71m (£11m more than Tottenham and £21m more than Everton), giving a wages-to-turnover figure of 85%. The bottom line showed that Villa made a £46m loss before tax. In short, the boat has been pushed out at Villa and yet the dream of Champions League football is no closer.

That is not to say that last season was a failure. Plenty of clubs would be delighted to finish sixth in the Premier League, reach the Carling Cup final and get to an FA Cup semi-final in the same season. If we consider Villa have finished in the top six for the past three seasons, it is worth noting that the only other clubs that can say the same are Manchester United, Chelsea and Arsenal. Not bad company to be keeping, even if Villa are hardly rubbing shoulders with the trio.

So what is there to stop Villa from finishing sixth again? After all, the defence – which had the fourth-best record in the Premier League and, lest it be forgotten, it would have been up there with the very best but for that 7-1 mauling at Chelsea – remains unchanged, O'Neill has stayed on as manager, despite all the mixed messages of a few months ago, and there are signs that in 20-year-old Marc Albrighton, who has been outstanding during pre-season, Villa have a real talent on their hands. That is the good news.

Now for the bad. Milner, who filled Barry's shoes so brilliantly last season, seems certain to leave. Many Villa supporters will feel that £25m-plus for the midfielder is a decent deal, but if Manchester City hold off from coming up with the money until nearer the end of the month, which remains a possibility, where does that leave O'Neill in terms of bringing in replacements? Perhaps more to the point, will O'Neill have all the money to spend?

Certainly the Villa manager can ill afford to lose anyone else from his favoured starting XI, in particular Ashley Young, who is a target for Harry Redknapp at Spurs. Young was overshadowed by Milner last season and failed to recapture the form he showed in the previous campaign, but he remains one of Villa's most influential players. That description should also apply to Stewart Downing after Villa paid £12m for him, but the former Middlesbrough winger has showed only flashes of his ability and needs to have a much greater impact this season.

Two key areas where Villa also need to improve are up front (they were the lowest scorers in the top eight) and at home (where they picked up fewer points than any other club in the top 10). Signing a prolific striker who is capable of scoring 15 league goals a season – something Villa have not had since Juan Pablo Angel registered 16 in 2004 – would certainly help, although it is likely to need more than one player to change Villa from being an excellent counter-attacking team (only Chelsea and United had better away records last season) to one that is also comfortable when the onus is on them to break opponents down.

Villa would appear to have a fight on their hands to stand still and compete with Liverpool and Everton – the clubs that finished immediately below them last season – never mind break into the top four. As I know from last season, making predictions about Villa before the end of August can be dangerous, but unless O'Neill manages to pick up some last-minute bargains, this looks like being a much tougher campaign for them.


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  • thegreasedscotsman thegreasedscotsman

    2 Aug 2010, 1:32PM

    The premier league's byword for medicocrity. Nothing exciting happens at Villa. A reasonable start to the campaign will be followed inevitably by shocking post-christmas performances. You guys have got it right. They'll finish anywhere between 6th and 10th.

  • byebyebadman byebyebadman

    2 Aug 2010, 1:32PM

    These must be quite difficult to write as they all need to be filed by August 13th yet the make-up of many squads could change quite significantly in the eighteen days that follow. Manchester City could quite feasibly purchase half of a new outfield side in that time.

    As with Fabregas to Barcelona, Villa look set to have their season defined by the whole Milner to City fracas. When he goes, I'd guess a respectable tenth.

  • WordIsSun WordIsSun

    2 Aug 2010, 1:36PM

    8th if they're lucky.

    Top half would be an achievement. O'Neill has run out of ideas and they're only just hanging on to their best players.

    My prediction 12th. (O'Neill sacked in Spring).

  • Obsequestrianista Obsequestrianista

    2 Aug 2010, 1:37PM

    Villa would appear to have a fight on their hands to stand still and compete with Liverpool ... As I know from last season, making predictions about Villa before the end of August can be dangerous,

    And indeed about Liverpool, who I think you predicted would be Champions.

    Starting to think those who have been saying that O'Neill is not what he is cracked up to be might be right: but still, in an ideal world he'd have bought his players in by now. I'm sure he has (good) targets in mind and it's very difficult to judge until then.

    If he can get £25m for Milner then I hope he is hailed as the genuis he is.

  • WordIsSun WordIsSun

    2 Aug 2010, 1:38PM

    One thing is for sure, no one can criticise Randy Lerner for reining in spending after the last set of accounts (which cover the 2008-09 season). Villa's wage bill increased alarmingly, by 42%, to £71m (£11m more than Tottenham and £21m more than Everton), giving a wages-to-turnover figure of 85%. The bottom line showed that Villa made a £46m loss before tax. In short, the boat has been pushed out at Villa and yet the dream of Champions League football is no closer.

    So they have crap net spend too - and that's what really matters.

  • Slither Slither

    2 Aug 2010, 1:40PM

    Villa need a good spending spree, they are going nowhere right now. Everyone loves a good spending spree anyway. I think dumping Emile Heskey would be progress though, he'd be a waste of a squad member, give Delfounso (sp) a chance.

  • JohnJohnson JohnJohnson

    2 Aug 2010, 1:42PM

    One thing is for sure, no one can criticise Randy Lerner for reining in spending after the last set of accounts (which cover the 2008-09 season). Villa's wage bill increased alarmingly, by 42%, to £71m (£11m more than Tottenham and £21m more than Everton), giving a wages-to-turnover figure of 85%.

    How on earth did this happen? I can't remember any big signings in the last couple of years. Cuellar? Heskey?

  • WordIsSun WordIsSun

    2 Aug 2010, 1:45PM

    What are the odds on the first PL manager to lose their job?

    I assume people like Hughton and Mancini might be up with the favourites but my money is on O'Neill. Does anybody know the odds on him being the first to get sacked?

  • happygoth happygoth

    2 Aug 2010, 1:45PM

    Still one of the better sides in the league, but it is hard to see the silver lining for the cloud.

    Downing seems ancient, but he isn't. Just as Milner stepped up to replace Barry, Downing is capable of stepping up to replace Milner.

    Their defence is solid. Dunne was incredible last season, and Collins/Dunne is one of the better partnerships in the top half of the table. Only Chelsea and United - maybe Spurs - can regularly call upon a more solid partnership at the back.

    Friedel is ageless. Will he fall off? It's possible, but I doubt it. What a pro.

    Last season, Agbonlahor finished in the top ten goalscorers and Young finished in the top ten assist makers. They are a tougher proposition than most, and I can't see them leaving the top eight - 8th is the minimum, Milner or no.

    That said, the wage bill at Villa is said to be incredible. That's a cause for concern - especially given that

    not one of the six senior players who Villa would listen to offers for – and whose collective wages are close to £250,000 a week in return for no more than the odd outing – has found a new club.

    Not so much going backwards, then, as standing still while others press on.

  • JimouthArgyleFC JimouthArgyleFC

    2 Aug 2010, 1:47PM

    I think they'll come ninth. Behind Chelsea, Man Utd, Man City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Bolton, Spurs and Everton. Agree that O'Neill won't last the season.

    Is this some kind of sick joke?

  • WordIsSun WordIsSun

    2 Aug 2010, 1:47PM

    How on earth did this happen? I can't remember any big signings in the last couple of years. Cuellar? Heskey?

    Apparently Luke Young is earning so much at Villa he turned down Liverpool. It sounds like Villa are in a complete mess financially and have thrown money away in all kinds of ways. Change my earlier prediction of 12th to about 16th.

  • DavidArrrggghhhh DavidArrrggghhhh

    2 Aug 2010, 1:48PM

    Bolton 6th Scotty??

    I think they'll come ninth. Behind Chelsea, Man Utd, Man City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Bolton, Spurs and Everton. Agree that O'Neill won't last the season.

    A bold prediction.

    Coyle will certainly push them on this year, and he's made good signings (Petrov) but 6th? I remain unconvinced.

  • WordIsSun WordIsSun

    2 Aug 2010, 1:49PM

    I think they'll come ninth. Behind Chelsea, Man Utd, Man City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Bolton, Spurs and Everton. Agree that O'Neill won't last the season.

    Is this some kind of sick joke?

    I'm sure SGC will explain this, he did to me on the Arsenal blog and it makes sense. I concur with Bolton being up in the Europa mix. Much more likely than Villa.

  • cavelier5 cavelier5

    2 Aug 2010, 1:51PM

    Villa fans never seem far away from a moan and many look to be desperate to sink their teeth into Martin O'Neill despite the (mainly) excellent job he's done. He has been given a lot of money (although he seems to give the impression that he's been working on a shoestring), and he's bought a lot of good players (Young, Milner, Dunne, Warnock, Petrov) but can't seem to get his hands on someone with that x factor that can raise them above the merely good. Ashley Young threatened to for about 3 weeks last season but faded badly. Plus when you're relying on big lumbering John Carew to be your main source of goals then you really are asking for trouble. Although compared to Emile he's bloody Gerd Muller.

  • billysbar billysbar

    2 Aug 2010, 1:52PM

    SGC

    Well done Billysbar, who predicted the guardian's prediction perfectly.

    I think i will be treated with a bit more respect from now on! I'm proud of getting that right way more than i should be!

    Right, which team's the next alphabetically, while i'm on a roll!

  • happygoth happygoth

    2 Aug 2010, 1:52PM

    They need to keep O' Neill. Chastise him for his tactics, but he is key to Villa's success. He really dominates this squad and if Villa got rid of him, everything they've achieved under Lerner's stewardship could come crashing down.

    Think back to Villa-Reading in the FA Cup last season. That half-time turnaround and the player's admiration afterwards speaks volumes.

    He brought the best out of Barry, and he has brought on the careers of Agbonlahor, Milner and Young. Downing is a work in progress, though he showed flashes - especially when he was back to full fitness at the tail-end of last season.

  • molefromtheministry molefromtheministry

    2 Aug 2010, 1:52PM

    WordIsSun...

    Apparently Luke Young is earning so much at Villa he turned down Liverpool. It sounds like Villa are in a complete mess financially and have thrown money away in all kinds of ways.

    But why would he want to move to a club further down the table (and in an even more precarious financial situation) anyway?

  • Mowgs Mowgs

    2 Aug 2010, 1:53PM

    3 consecutive top 6 finishes and still people expect the wheels to fall off at any moment. Yawn.

    Stuart do you not learn?

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2009/aug/03/premier-league-previe-aston-villa

  • Capaddona Capaddona

    2 Aug 2010, 1:56PM

    A bit of consistency would not go amiss. We have the Arsenal preview which turns out to be all about the Fabregas transfer saga and now we have a Villa preview that starts with a concise analysis of wages as a proportion of turnover. How about the same type of analysis of all the runners and riders?

    Fcuking joke....

  • billysbar billysbar

    2 Aug 2010, 1:56PM

    happygoth

    How do expect us to take you seriously from now on after yourexclusive, 'insider' GU table was incorrect?

    It'll be a long, hard road back for you i'm afraid!

  • WordIsSun WordIsSun

    2 Aug 2010, 1:57PM

    But why would he want to move to a club further down the table (and in an even more precarious financial situation) anyway?

    Liverpool are a much bigger club than Villa and he will always have a better chance of finishing in the top 4 with them than he does at Villa. That's a fact.

    He doesn't even get a game every week at Villa, does he? He probably would at Liverpool who need versatile full backs.

    The pay cut he would have had to take to join Liverpool must have been a big one for him to turn them down. And for a player who should only really be on average wages anyway then it sounds like he is earning a lot more than he should be at badly run Villa.

  • OttersPocket OttersPocket

    2 Aug 2010, 1:58PM

    Villa should snap City's hands off for the £24 mill for Milner. Get 2 good players in with the money, a creative midfielder (Ireland?) a right back (Onohua) and a goalscorer (??). Milner had the season of his life and will not repeat that again.

  • ScottGemmillComments ScottGemmillComments

    2 Aug 2010, 1:59PM

    I think they'll come ninth. Behind Chelsea, Man Utd, Man City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Bolton, Spurs and Everton. Agree that O'Neill won't last the season.

    Is this some kind of sick joke?

    No joke. As I explained to WordIsSun:

    With Petrov surely the best free transfer of the summer (sorry Joe); Coyle given the whole summer to build a team; Muamba, Mark Davies and Lee with one year more experience; and Cahill, Jussi and Davies all staying the Europa League beckons for the Trotters.

    It's common sense really.

  • Slither Slither

    2 Aug 2010, 2:02PM

    WordIsSun

    What are the odds on the first PL manager to lose their job?

    I assume people like Hughton and Mancini might be up with the favourites but my money is on O'Neill. Does anybody know the odds on him being the first to get sacked?

    O'neill is 16/1, he's quite far down the list. Favourites are Hughton, Mancini and Di Matteo. That's on William Hill.

  • Pinti Pinti

    2 Aug 2010, 2:05PM

    Big lumbering Carew got 17 goals last season, almost 1 goal for every 2 appearances. Agbonlahor got 16, his highest total so far in his career. Villa had the best defence outside of the big clubs. They reached the carling cup final. And yet the focus seems to be on the squad's failings and O'Neils lack of tactical nous.

    Villa will be close on points with all teams up to 5th all season, how can a squad without man city or spurs's riches expect much more?

  • WordIsSun WordIsSun

    2 Aug 2010, 2:05PM

    O'neill is 16/1, he's quite far down the list. Favourites are Hughton, Mancini and Di Matteo. That's on William Hill.

    Thanks, Slither.

    16/1 is a great price. Got to be worth £20. Then if they have a bad start then I'll go in with another £50 or so. Maybe a cheeky little bet on Hughton too just in case he goes quickly. Newcastle haven't sacked anyone for almost two years which is a long time for them.

  • TheFatCaptain TheFatCaptain

    2 Aug 2010, 2:06PM

    Talk of MO'N getting sacked and Villa relegated is daft. They have a great keeper and an extremely mean defence.

    Milner going might not actually be so bad if Villa could procure Stephen Ireland in part exchange and use the money to buy a decent striker or two.

    With the current squad - 8th, and Villa fans should be happy with that. It wasn't so long ago O'Leary was nearly taking them down.

  • cupofbovril cupofbovril

    2 Aug 2010, 2:06PM

    lot of dislike of villa here

    seems a bit harsh

    net spend has been shocking for a very good reason - the squad MON inherited was utter dross and has been given a decent wad of cash from lerner, but it was 100% necessary to try and keep up with our competition (spurs & city - more on that in a sec)

    i don't think he's the messiah, but equally he's done a decent job. most of his signings have been exceptionally good, of particular note: a young, milner, dunne, collins, petrov, friedel.

    the only mistakes he made was paying over the odds for; heskey, l young, shorey, sidwell but you can see why he bought them when he did since we had a paper-thin squad at the time. they are now very expensive and average bench-warmers in my opinion. as for downing, jury is still out but this season will tell whether it was a complete waste of 12million - he's going to have to play out of his skin to make it worth it. at 9 million young looks a bargain in comparison!

    that we faltered a bit last season was annoying at the time, but now in hindsight, finishing 6th again was a good achievement since two of our three closest rivals have got so much more. city have unlimited spending power, and tottenham have finally started playing like their expensive and able squad should do ( not a dig as i'm aware tottenham's net spend is good but they have benefited from always having good players to sell).

    all said i am pretty pessimistic about this season since i don't think we can keep up for another season. so 8th is pretty fair.

    p.s. why do lazy journos keep going on about young having a bad season? firstly if you bothered researching young has statistically had 3 almost identical seasons in terms of goals and assists. i would argue last season was better since he was consistent through the season instead of blinding in a few matches and then rubbish in equally many. and that was despite defences "sussing him out". rant over! :)

  • cupofbovril cupofbovril

    2 Aug 2010, 2:10PM

    and yes 17 goals for big john was pretty good since he spent a lot of the season injured or keeping heskey's bench warm for when he inevitably fell over himself and got injured in the 63rd minute. and even when he did play he was only half bothered! ;) big lazy but ultimately likeable bear

  • WordIsSun WordIsSun

    2 Aug 2010, 2:10PM

    Talk of MO'N getting sacked and Villa relegated is daft. They have a great keeper and an extremely mean defence.

    It's not that daft. Their manager doesn't know how to plan a season properly (see how they fall away after Spring each year), they have a smallish squad, their wage bill is out of control and they will probably have to sell at least one their best two players (Milner and Young) to sort it out.

    How can Villa fans be optimistic?

  • MuchPreferWinter MuchPreferWinter

    2 Aug 2010, 2:11PM

    I literally cannot believe people are having a go at O Neill.. Villa are a big club but nowhere near the level of the usual suspects that occupy the top four most seasons. He has done a pretty amazing job there and is very unlucky not to have some silverware to show for it. He does not have the same financial muscle as the other clubs he has Villa competing with at the top of the table and has had Man City massively disrupting his pre-season for several years on the trot now too. Even with Man City signing some proper top drawer players they couldn't break the top four or indeed win a thing last season. People really do expect miracles from football managers sometimes.

  • IanClover IanClover

    2 Aug 2010, 2:14PM

    I think 8th is only realistic if Villa go far in Europe...

    If they're knocked out early then I think 5th or 6th is on the cards again. The team will be more settled and more mature than last season. The defence is excellent and has almost a full year under its belt playing together. Agbon has steadily improved with each season; he'll continue to do so this season. And if Milner goes then there's scope for Young or Downing to take up the mantle and become the midfield lynchpin their ability demands they become.

    Delfouneso is getting better, Carew is worth double figures on the goal charts (for this season at least) and there's a couple of other good youngsters coming through too. If Villa can offload some of the deadwood (Reo Coker, Sidwell, Beye) and bring in one or two more exciting players, then 5th or 6th is easily within reach.

    If they do well in Europe though, fatigue may push them down a place or two...

  • Swedes2Turnips1 Swedes2Turnips1

    2 Aug 2010, 2:18PM

    So who are the six players mentioned on high wages that rarely play?

    Carew? Sidwell? Curtis Davies? Shorey? Luke Young (from the L'pool business)? Heskey? Not Zat Knight surely!

    It's hard to dislike O'Neill who's a genuine and eloquent man. They were also very unlucky in the Carling Cup final and suffered the worst refereeing decision of the season (bar Lampard vs Germany). That said, they've spent a lot without much to show. Perhaps O'Neill needs to shop overseas much more to get better value. Villa may be proof that you can spend a fortune on homegrown talent and still only get a meh team.

  • irishbrumy irishbrumy

    2 Aug 2010, 2:19PM

    That's an incredible statistic for Villas wage bill - you'd forget half of the players who were in their squad (Reo-Coker, Sidwell, Davies, Beye, Shorey) given that O'Neill likes to stick with the same XI as much as he can. Clearly there won't be doing much business done there until Milner goes, if any business at all.

    Can't see them doing any worse than eight though, so I think it's a reasonable enough prediction. Albrington is one to watch out for, will definitly get a better look in this season - himself and Adam Johnson have to be the two most promising English wingers about.

    Also, I'll happily put up a book on MO'N to get sacked first - what incredible nonsense!

  • Mowgs Mowgs

    2 Aug 2010, 2:21PM

    WordIsSun

    How can Villa fans fail to be optimistic? Another season in Europe. Two Wembley visits last season. One of the best managers in the league. Excellent youth prospects.

    Every year these previews start off by suggesting it's going to be a difficult season for Villa.

    Just out of interest can anyone tell me how many teams were accurately placed in the Guardian's predictions for the 2009/10 season?

  • billysbar billysbar

    2 Aug 2010, 2:23PM

    It's Birmingham next i believe. So, here's my prediction.......and i'd advise you to get your money on straight away as the price is obviously going to tumble following this revelation.

    10th.

  • stealthbanana stealthbanana

    2 Aug 2010, 2:29PM

    "Unless Martin O'Neill can bring in some last-minute bargains
    before the transfer window closes this could be a much tougher
    season for his side"

    he's still got almost a fecking month!

    also, dont quite understand the negative M'ON and villa comments here.
    are they from bitter (the only kind of) rangers fans?
    dont care much for the weak ashley young but petrov, milner, friedel and the defence do a good job.
    expecting them to compete with the likes of man utd chelsea etc is ridiculous!

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