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Stuart Broad's petulance doesn't taint his or England's character

The fast bowler cracked under frustration, not pressure, when he threw the ball at Pakistan's Zulqarnain Haider at Edgbaston

Stuart Broad
A brooding Stuart Broad is spoken to by umpire Marais Erasmus after throwing the ball at Pakistan's Zulqarnain Haider. Photograph: Philip Brown/Reuters

It has always surprised me just how wide of the mark the public and the press can be in their opinions on players' personalities. In my experience popular perceptions are wildly wrong in six or seven cases out of every 11. You just cannot judge the true character of a player until you have seen how he reacts in the changing room after he has been under pressure in the middle. As often as not, the man who is seen as happy-go-lucky and thought to be a positive influence on the field can be a real downer behind the scenes and vice versa.

Michael Atherton would be a classic example. He was nicknamed Captain Grumpy by the press when he was playing, but in the changing room I hardly ever saw him in a miserable state of mind. He could be quiet but he was always quick to make a funny little comment to help cut through the stress of a situation.

This is why I would hesitate before making judgments about Stuart Broad on the back of his behaviour in the last Test, when he threw the ball at Zulqarnain Haider in his follow through. Broad was responding to frustration, not pressure. They are completely different things. I do not think England were ever under great pressure in that match because Pakistan never threatened to set them a large enough target to cause real trouble in the fourth innings. England simply thought the game was going to be a lot easier to win than it turned out to be once Pakistan's lower order started battling back. It would be wrong to make judgments about Broad's character as a cricketer off the back of a minor incident like that one.

There is no doubt he was in the wrong. He made two mistakes. Firstly, it was clear he had no intention of hitting the stumps with his throw. Secondly, he reacted badly. He should have said sorry sincerely. Instead he offered only a cursory apology, as though he felt it was just a necessary gesture he had to make. As a coach I do not think the situation calls for anything other than a quick, quiet chat with him, over breakfast or at one side of the next net session. You do not need to call a meeting or take a headmaster's approach, lecturing the player about how you never want to see them doing that kind of thing again. These are grown people after all.

The best tactic is often just to ask the player what they think about it themselves. Most times you will not even have to say anything else because they will already know they have overstepped the mark. If he happens to feel he has not done anything wrong, then you might just remind him that he is not being judged solely as an individual, but as an England player. As a result the rest of the team are also being judged by his behaviour. Is that right? Are they going to be happy about that?

Last week I was talking about the critical mass of the side. This is another area where it can be difficult to form judgments from outside the dressing room. When I talk about critical mass I mean that the team has to have a positive balance of personalities between players who are naturally a little bit lazier, weaker or more disruptive and those who try hard and handle the pressure well. A successful XI needs a ratio of at least eight to three against the more difficult types. Looking at this England team I think their critical mass is almost 11 out of 11. You run through them from one to 11 and they do not seem to have a single character in there who might crumble. But then in the cases of some of those players I am judging them from outside the dressing room and, as I have said, that can be deceptive.

Still, they look to have a common goal, with everyone pulling in the same direction. That does not automatically make them the best England team I have seen – I still think that the side which included Simon Jones and Andrew Flintoff had a much better bowling attack than the current outfit. But they do have a lot of strong characters in the side who are ready for a fight. You could feel that on the fourth day when they were chasing 118. They were always going to get there, but there was a question of how much trouble they would have doing it. But from Andrew Strauss and Jonathan Trott down through that middle order of Kevin Pietersen, Paul Collingwood and Eoin Morgan, it felt as though this was not a group who were going to get the jitters going after a small total. Character-wise they are close to being the best squad of players I have seen since I got involved with English cricket back in 1997, even allowing for Broad's occasional petulance.


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  • hornswoggle hornswoggle

    11 Aug 2010, 2:43AM

    Broad made a petulant response to frustration. It may be a one off, it may be part of a pattern. One thing it's not though is part of a pattern of mature behaviour.

    The distinction between pressure & frustration is interesting, but responses to both are legitimately included in character judgements.

  • Cameldancer Cameldancer

    11 Aug 2010, 2:50AM

    As often as not, the man who is seen as happy-go-lucky and thought to be a positive influence on the field can be a real downer behind the scenes and vice versa.

    This article started quite promisingly. After the Atherton revelation, I was hoping for an expose on the real personalities of the England team c.1999-2007.

    Andrew Flintoff - the kindly grandfather of the group who would read stories to a young Ian Bell while bouncing the latter on his knee.

    Kevin Pietersen - surly, monosyllabic depressive who would play wall-to-wall emo music at ear-splitting volume whilst waiting to bat.

    Nasser Hussain - possessed of an encyclopaedic knowledge of the chip shops of northern England.

    Monty Panesar - practical joker extraordinaire, remembered best for his disasterous hiding of Flintoff's booze supply prior to the Perth test, which resulted in the skipper retaliating by tossing Monty the ball during Gilchrist's onslaught.

    Sadly, 'twas not to be.

  • Friggity Friggity

    11 Aug 2010, 3:32AM

    I have enormous respect for Duncan Fletcher but this is excuse making.
    And it's dangerous excuse making because there is a belief that Pakistan, India and the West Indies suffer disproportionately at the hands of match officials.

    This was not the first sign of indiscipline by Broad and it's not just what he did but everyone who has seen him play realises he has an attitude with opposing players. He is a fledgling in the game so he has no basis for his arrogance.

    Fine and ban him.

  • nasjaq nasjaq

    11 Aug 2010, 4:15AM

    This is actually the first time I find myself in complete agreement with Fletcher. Seriously, who gives a toss about Broad's 'character'? He's been a little bit naughty, but it's not like he ran in to bowl with his dangler hanging out (Botham, in case you're wondering).

    Does anyone really think the Aussies would be so upset over this if it was one of their players? They'd be given a medal.

  • tangles tangles

    11 Aug 2010, 4:24AM

    I feel a bit sorry for Broad here - people are calling for him to banned for revealing his poor hand eye coordination.

    It's hard enough as it is for English lads to get a game for England.

  • antipepp antipepp

    11 Aug 2010, 4:38AM

    Does anyone really think the Aussies would be so upset over this if it was one of their players? They'd be given a medal.

    Yeah I said in the other blog on this exact same issue that it's the worlds largest molehill.

  • Mutlins Mutlins

    11 Aug 2010, 6:20AM

    I am surprised that Broad has not had a pop back at Nassar, Athers, Gower and Beefy.

    It would be nice to hear him remind Nassar and Athers that they failed to win a single Ashes series in their careers, and he understands that they don’t like to see Englishmen behaving like Australians, whether it be by winning or throwing the ball around petulantly at nervous debutant batsmen,

    Don't get me wrong, the fine was correct, but this lecturing from former England players would get right on my nerves if I was Broad. Nassar & Athers, led some of the worst England teams in history to a succession of defeats. I would have liked to have seen something similar from Caddick, Malcolm, Defreites, etc, instead of resignation and acceptance every time batsmen put a partnership together, perhaps the 90s & Noughties wouldn't have been so dire.

  • easyrider easyrider

    11 Aug 2010, 6:25AM

    Cameldancer - Brilliant,, laughed a lot.A good start to my day..Thank you.. .. Seriously,, what can we make of this Duncan? Stuart is a serial petulant ( I think this is his 3rd misdeamenor) but for his dad would have had a bit of a rap on his knuckles enough to remind him to mind next time.

  • cricketguy cricketguy

    11 Aug 2010, 6:43AM

    I have enormous respect for Duncan Fletcher but this is excuse making.
    And it's dangerous excuse making because there is a belief that Pakistan, India and the West Indies suffer disproportionately at the hands of match officials.

    This was not the first sign of indiscipline by Broad and it's not just what he did but everyone who has seen him play realises he has an attitude with opposing players. He is a fledgling in the game so he has no basis for his arrogance.

    Fine and ban him.

    really well said. i completely agree with u. stuart board is a serial offender, evry time he skips the punishment bcoz other referees mite not be wanting to hurt their camaraderie with his dad and this gives him a virtual license to do anythng on the field even if its against the spirit of the game.

    should have been banned for a test..

    He's been a little bit naughty, but it's not like he ran in to bowl with his dangler hanging out

    oh yeah if an Indian or a pakistani player wud have done the same thing he wud have been cooling his heels in the dressing room for the next test.you should be happy tht India is not wielding their powers just yet.u mite not like the power shift.....

  • hblove hblove

    11 Aug 2010, 7:38AM

    posh petals had a little hissy fit. ok, it was that time of the match for him.

    his not apologising - sorry, but the perfunctory handwave does not count - was the part that grated the most about the ball chucking episode.

    really wonder if he'd have actually done what he did (not apologise profusely a la jones) against someone of slightly different stature, in more ways than one, say a gayle or a tendulkar.

  • Viking17 Viking17

    11 Aug 2010, 7:39AM

    Wonder what Duncan would have said if it was third time offence for say, an Australian or Indian medium-fast bowler? Probably waxed lyrical over how the pressure of international cricket at the highest level is getting to him. Broad has talent but he also has an attitude that needs to be changed.

  • ReadingOldBoy ReadingOldBoy

    11 Aug 2010, 8:24AM

    "Nassar & Athers, led some of the worst England teams in history to a succession of defeats. I would have liked to have seen something similar from Caddick, Malcolm, Defreites, etc, instead of resignation and acceptance every time batsmen put a partnership together, perhaps the 90s & Noughties wouldn't have been so dire."

    Athers lead some dreadful England teams, but Nasser lead them from their lowest ebb to being a very decent team. Indeed he was part of the reason the noughties were far from dire.

  • mattrees81 mattrees81

    11 Aug 2010, 8:25AM

    I am big England fan and am excited about this 'English' side however Broad continues to disappoint with his lack of respect for the game. Highly grating is how he does not seem to appeal properly. He jogs down the wicket as if he's bowled the wickets over. Stauss needs to earn his stripes and have words. If I was the umpire I would keep my hand in my pocket if Broad did that to me (probably one of the reasons I'm not a test umpire). Further to this if Broad wants to vent his frustration lets see a bit of Alan Donald type eye-balling (although Broad did not hold eye-contact for the 'apology') or then perhaps a little Mervesque chuntering under his breath so the batsman think he is a Psychopath rather than a little spoilt toddler. It's a revelation of character what people do when they are frustrated on the cricket pitch. My son throws things and then runs away when he doesn't get what he wants - but he is 2.

  • formerathlete formerathlete

    11 Aug 2010, 8:25AM

    Funnily I dont seem to remember this furore when, in one of the ODI's in the run up to the 2005 Ashes series, Simon Jones hurled the ball straight back at Matthew Hayden (hitting him full in the chest) who then advanced menacingly down the track to be greeted by Jones, Collingwood and Vaughan telling him to get himself back to the popping crease sharpish (at least I think thats what they were saying, my lip reading's not so good!!). Most commentators at the time seemed to thinkit was a sign of a new found togetherness and mental toughness in the england side.

    So if it's a deliberate act, with the intention of establishing a new found, hardened, 'tough' mentality then its OK, even to be applauded........if on the other hand its a momentary act of frustration from a young and still (relatively) inexperienced cricketer, over a referred decision that he felt was deffinately out (which hotspot didnt, but 'snicko' did) suddenly he's the devil incarnate and should be banned.......lets get a bit of perspective here people!!

  • lukethedrifter lukethedrifter

    11 Aug 2010, 8:27AM

    easyrider - that made me laugh out loud. But broad has yet to do anything so monumentally silly as Sreesanth in his last tour of England - when he appeared to be over-stepping on purpose and firing in beamers to intimidate. the difference is Sree was better at pretending to be sorry.

    Both of them are prats though. I'd happily give either a slap, though I'll always have a soft spot for Sreesanth after his responded to Nel's sledging by hitting him for six and then following him back up the pitch, dancing.

  • Jiggy Jiggy

    11 Aug 2010, 8:35AM

    Flip
    The immaturity shown by Broad would have been lambasted had been shown by Indian/Pakistani cricketers.

    It's one thing to be competitive, another to throw your toys when you don't have things your way.

    Based on the same logic, Schumacher's character is not tainted by his narcissism.

  • mattrees81 mattrees81

    11 Aug 2010, 8:50AM

    formerathlete I hear your point on the Jones-Hayden ball throwing. Two slight differences with that one. Jones actually apologised properly - or at least tried to unlike Broad - seem to remember Hayden not having any of it and began volley of abuse - I recall thinking - "well bugger him Jonesy - chuck it again lad!" - plus the Aussies love a bit of agro whereas this Pakistan game this series was not appropriate. t was just beginning to become a contest and most fans were enjoying the honest graft of Pakistans corageous young batsmen. I suppose what I'm saying is ball throwing is ok as long as it's at big annoying Aussies that need bringing down a peg!
    Also the Jones incident was in a 20/20 or one day match not a test match - therefore not a proper game of cricket.
    Your right though - bit of context here needed- Broad annoys people a lot and he will get stick through his career for his Malfoyisms.

  • Pepps7Mango Pepps7Mango

    11 Aug 2010, 8:53AM

    *ring ring * **ring RIIIIING*...

    ( in the cubby house up the tree down the back of the Broad residence)

    ( Stuey) .... 'what. Who's ringing? I'm not talking to anyone'

    (strangled voice) .. "Stuey, Stuey, don't hang up, it's Paul Nixon here and ..'

    ( Stuey) ........'who?? huh? what?? Paul what? ...

    ( Paul) ....... ..Stuey, I'm the man to help you. You are in the shit a bit, and I have the experience, the cheek you might say , to give you the best free advice you'll get anywhere. See, I know how you feel, I understand, I 've....'

    ( Stuey) ........' Whoever you are, please get off my phone and stop bothering me or I'll call Dad and get him to deal with you, you fu..'

    ( Paul) ......... See, Stuey, I know you're hurting, this is what you do. Be the chap you are in the dressing sheds on the ground!! Load your pockets up with peppermints, distribute them around at crucial moments, tell a little joke to Kev just as he walks onto the ground, have hankies at the ready for the forgetful, you know how you do everyone's ironing in the shed, people don't know this, you could be there at the gates to welcome a batsmen when he gets out with a little dish of..

    (Stuey) .......'Dad!! Dad!!...

  • jno50 jno50

    11 Aug 2010, 8:56AM

    I would have liked to have seen something similar from Caddick, Malcolm, Defreites, etc, instead of resignation and acceptance every time batsmen put a partnership together

    That's it - instead of applauding a batsman when he reaches 50, bowlers should throw the ball at him. It could become one of the game's little rituals and we could all cheer when the batsmen was fooled by the slower ball.

    Broad was responding to frustration, not pressure.

    Well, yes, that's what everyone's been saying, isn't it. Petulance. He should just channel it into his actual bowling.

  • lukethedrifter lukethedrifter

    11 Aug 2010, 8:57AM

    by the way, I think Fletcher means his character as a cricketer, rather than as a man.

    The fact that he threw his toys out of the pram and does so regularly doesn't really mean that he can't bowl in test cricket or that he lacks the temperament to get obdurate batsmen out, or that he was starting to freak out and would start bowling bad deliveries. It just means he's a prat.

    Fletcher is saying this because some players who react like that let it affect their cricket. Sreesanth is an example - when he gets upset and behaves like a tool, he loses his line or starts bowling excessive bouncers and becomes cannon fodder.

  • BuzzRockport BuzzRockport

    11 Aug 2010, 9:00AM

    This is such a waste of an article. Anyone can cast aspertions about a young cricketer who did something stupid and has been punished.

    I would much rather we had seen Duncan talk about Cooks ongoing techincal batting issues or explain how well Trott played the moving ball or perhaps talk about KP's ongoing batting struggles. Simon Hughes doesn't have to be the only one who can talk about batting (and he was/is a bowler...)

    Please can we have something a bit more interesting next time!

    p.s. Cameldancer nice work.

  • tangles tangles

    11 Aug 2010, 9:08AM

    All jokes aside though, just as Bodyline was about more than cricket for Australians back in the 1930s (let's not go there again!!!), 'Broadgate' is about a lot more than cricket for the English in 2010.

    I think it is hard for anyone who has not spent time in England to understand how deep-rooted the class system really is.

    As innocuous as the incident seemed, a blue-blooded public school boy behaving in such a manor is sure to get the emotions stirring over there.

    People from emerging and progressive nations like India and Australia will do well to realise how lucky they are to be living their prospective countries before making light of this situation over there.

  • Tobemon Tobemon

    11 Aug 2010, 9:10AM

    I usually quite like Fletcher's articles, but this is a confused load of crap.

    We know that Broad acted out of frustration. Duh? That's the problem, he wanted the tail to fold and he thought he was good enough to make them. That's the issue, he acted arrogantly and rudely.

    Of course it wasn't pressure Dunc.

    Also the public aren't judging him on one action, this is the straw that broke the camel's back I think.

    It's no big deal, Fletch, we don't hate him, but we've had enough of his little tantrums and think he should sort it out.

    OK

    By the way is that a dig at Flintoff?

    As often as not, the man who is seen as happy-go-lucky and thought to be a positive influence on the field can be a real downer behind the scenes

  • formerathlete formerathlete

    11 Aug 2010, 9:18AM

    @mattrees81.....I think my big gripe is with the level of oprobrium and negative comment that gets heaped on this current situation as opposed to the congratulatory tone that accompanied the Jones-Hayden incident

    If those so eager to speak up were more willing to simply criticise Malfoy's choice of target/timing, rather than denouncing him as the Grim Reeper for the 'Spirit of Cricket' (whatever the fuck the relevance of that is these days.....this is professional sport in 2010, not Gentleman v Players in 1850, afterall) then I might agree with the thrust of their argument.

    With specific refference to the article, I have to agree with BuzzRockport.....I would much rather hear Fletcher using his considerable experience and knowldege of the subject to give us his insight into what Cook is doing wrong (and how it could be fixed), whether KP is really on the road to recovering some form, etc, rather than gettin cheap mileage from a minor indiscretion that has been punished appopriately and in the wider scheme means very little.

  • Bois Bois

    11 Aug 2010, 9:33AM

    This again?

    Broad is tainted by his petulance because he bowls like a drain after he throws a hissy fit. If he had a tantrum then bowled like Curtley Ambrose, we'd all look the other way.

    I was rather hoping Duncan would tell us why Broad can't buy a run.

  • fraxinus fraxinus

    11 Aug 2010, 9:36AM

    @jno50

    That's it - instead of applauding a batsman when he reaches 50, bowlers should throw the ball at him. It could become one of the game's little rituals and we could all cheer when the batsmen was fooled by the slower ball.

    Love it! Thanks for giving me a good laugh as I browse these comments during my first break in a tedious working day.

  • curious curious

    11 Aug 2010, 9:43AM

    Questions of conduct aside, I think it's pretty depressing that Broad gets that frustrated when England are in such a strong position and playing in front of a home crowd; imagine what he'll do when Australia are 350-3 at the Gabba.

    He's not quite as good as he thinks he is. He should be in the team, but he should also know that he has to work darned hard for his wickets.

  • Grabyrdy Grabyrdy

    11 Aug 2010, 9:45AM

    Must be so frustrating for Dunc, mustn't it, being outside the dressing room. You can almost see him peering thru the cracks. Why doesn't he go and get a real job ?

    Apart from the stupidity and unpleasantness of it, Broad's state of mind seemed to make him less efficient on the field, both a bowler and fielder. The Australians will be working to get him into that place again. I reckon Andy will be a bit less relaxed about it than Dunc.

    Btw, some people on here seem to think that a bit of good old Aussie agression is a good thing. Can someone tell me the last time an Australian bowler threw the ball at a batsman ??

  • ahmedh ahmedh

    11 Aug 2010, 9:53AM

    The side with Andrew Flintoff and Simon Jones (I feel so sorry for him.... what would he have given to have played as many tests as Harmison) had a stronger *seam* attack. With the greatest respect to Ashley Giles, I doubt Graham Swann would have bottled it and failed to take so much as a single wicket on the last day at Old Trafford in 2005. Or Monty, for that matter. I think the first wicket Swann took on Sunday to bowl the left hander was right up there with the Gatting ball, given that the round-the-wicket attack delivered

    As it is, I'm pretty excited about this attack with the arrival of Finn and Shazad the nearest thing to Simon Jones since ... Simon Jones. I'd also like to see Rashid taken to Australia. Ideally I'd give him a go at the Oval first. Out of that bunch of bowlers it's only Anderson and Finn who are not serious contenders with the bat (and Anderson's no mug).

    If anything the batting is a bit iffy, especially with KP off the boil. We really, really miss Trescothick for all those flying starts.

  • StGeorge StGeorge

    11 Aug 2010, 10:00AM

    I'm not happy that Broad seems to think that acting like a knob = being a tough guy, like those blots on the game Hughes and McGrath. I'd raher he modelled himself on a properly menacing bowler like Curtley, without the abuse and petulance that distinguishes so many Australian cricketers.

  • Cameldancer Cameldancer

    11 Aug 2010, 10:06AM

    Tangles

    FFS, will you please stop banging on about the English class system! Jesus Christ, every second blog, you come out with the same horseshit.

    Every country has the same system. I just came back from a run through the suburb of Kew in Melbourne. Ever heard of it? Has a number of schools there... Xavier, Trinity, MLC, Gennazano, Carey. You know, schools that cost $30,000 a year to send your kid to and whose alumni tend to congregate in places like government, banking, public service...

    Sound familiar?

    That's right. It's called a class system. The only difference is that Australian upper classes haven't had their money for as long as ours have.

  • jeremyjames jeremyjames

    11 Aug 2010, 10:27AM

    So Broad has attitude?

    Wow. Hold the front page. And McGrath did not? Or Truman? Or Holding or any other great fast bowler?

    They are all about nine foot tall super men who strike terror into the enemy. Or should.

    Kicking sand into faces is a bit off, though.

  • antipepp antipepp

    11 Aug 2010, 10:38AM

    Btw, some people on here seem to think that a bit of good old Aussie agression is a good thing. Can someone tell me the last time an Australian bowler threw the ball at a batsman ??

    Broad didn't deliberately throw the ball at the batsmen. He's just a poor aim.

    The difference between his aggression and Aussie aggression is that we have a fielding coach so our throws just intimidate the batsmen rather than hitting them.

  • MouthoftheMersey MouthoftheMersey

    11 Aug 2010, 10:49AM

    Noi sure about all this stuff about having guys in the dressing room who fall into character types and us poor saps not being able to see it. Many great teams are riven with strife - with so mny alpha males, that's what will happen. Were The Invincibles an example of DF's ideal mix, or the Windies teams of the 80s?

    What matters in a team is the ability to perform as a team and as individuals - and what makes that happen is individual skills and strong leadership. It's one reason why more or less the same personnel can be brilliant for one leader and useless for the next and why some leaders succeed wherever they go - Mr Mourinho just being the latest.

    This reads a bit like a "Not my fauly Gov" re 2006-7 and I feel we can expect more. Of course, it wasn't all DF's fault, but you work with the people available, not hanker after some version of the seven dwarves, Hi-Hoing their way to work.

    Matt Prior should speak to Broad - he's learned a lot about concentrating on one's on game and forgetting the macho crap.

  • hieroglyph hieroglyph

    11 Aug 2010, 11:09AM

    I think this horse is well and truly dead.

    P.S.: Cameldancer, do you know a posh (I'm guessing) boys' school in Melbourne called Scotch College? I used to know a guy from there who was always going to end up earning a six-figure salary, driving a fancy car and wearing expensive suits, and working for the government (probably embassy work, as he was keen on languages and travel) or some form of multi-national corportation, sounds just like what you described.

  • Bumboclart Bumboclart

    11 Aug 2010, 11:15AM

    I have enormous respect for Duncan Fletcher but this is excuse making. And it's dangerous excuse making because there is a belief that Pakistan, India and the West Indies suffer disproportionately at the hands of match officials.

    I see you are still at the belief stage? :)

    If that had been the WI's resident Mr Petulant, Sulieman Benn, I've no doubt his series would be over.

    But then some of us have never had any doubt that your punishment and how the media react to it will be different depending on which team you represent.

    I wonder if the Pakistani batsman had walked down the track and wrapped his bat around Broad's head in a reciprocal act of "frustration" if he would be getting a 50% match fee fine?

    There have been ample opportunities to clamp down on Broad's petulance and they have been passed up.

    Not even to mention the amount of times I've seen him berate his own teammates in a way that is beyond acceptable.

    In fact Mr Broad, the next time you play the West Indies and are "frustrated" that those last few wickets for the victory are not coming can you do the same when the batsman is either Chris Gayle, Sulieman Benn, or my personal favourite hothead, Runako Morton?

    Should be fun.

  • Cameldancer Cameldancer

    11 Aug 2010, 11:23AM

    Heiro,

    Yep, probably the poshest of the lot and every bit as elitist as Harrow, Eton, Durham... any of those. It's a bit further down the river so didn't run past it tonight, otherwise I would've listed it.

  • BillCar BillCar

    11 Aug 2010, 11:29AM

    I can't understand why Broad's immaturity is somehow being confused with determination or the good old "fire in his belly". He reminds me of a long string of knobhead club cricketers I've had the misfortune of playing against/with who think they're a lot better than they actually are.

    His constant debating of decisions with umpires along with his berating of fielders who had the temerity not to stop a boundary off his awful bowling (ironic when he's probably the worst fielder in the team) are so familiar. He's the kind of teammate you have when you have a quiet chuckle to yourself when he gets hammered around the park, whilst saying "you twat" under your breath.

    Compare him to somebody like Mohammad Asif who beats the bat time and time again, but who has the class to just smile at batsmen. Because he doesn't participate in huge paddies are we saying that he's not determined?

  • keaton keaton

    11 Aug 2010, 11:37AM

    MOTM

    I don't think Prior's changed at all, I think it's more a case that the media and fans like him now and so less stories are made-up or made a big deal of regarding him

  • hieroglyph hieroglyph

    11 Aug 2010, 11:40AM

    Sh!t me, Camel, that I never knew. But then, from the sound of the uniform, I guess I'm not all that surprised - red, yellow and blue stripes do follow the maxim that the posher the school, the more horrendous the uniform.

  • jno50 jno50

    11 Aug 2010, 12:51PM

    The MCC blazer and tie fit your theory rather neatly, hieroglyph. I had a former brother-in-law who went to Scotch College and met your desription (but was a really nice guy).

  • shortcover shortcover

    11 Aug 2010, 1:01PM

    no strong views on the incident, though i probably fall into the, come on stuart wasn't that a bit dickish camp, but re the comments: why do people insist on every issue to do with the england cricket team on trying to divine the answer by imagining what the australians would do.

    can we please try and think it through it through without constant reference to the australian side. i don't dispute that they have been by far and away the leading side for the last X years but that doesn't mean that we have to decide on everything from petulance, through numbering shirts all the way down presumably to lunch selection in deference to this great team which was built around the brilliance of a generation of wonderful players.

  • hieroglyph hieroglyph

    11 Aug 2010, 1:06PM

    Well, the guy I knew from Scotch College was really nice too, jno, so maybe it's a school for nice rich people? I knew I should have stayed in touch with him, I bet he'll be minted in no time. Oh well.

    The uniform thing, I think, holds up quite well - the only private school in Peterborough, where I grew up, Peterborough High School (for girls) had the most hideous uniform: bottle-green box-pleated skirt, bottle-green tights, greay-green shirt, red-and-green-stripe tie, bottle-green jumper with red trim, red-and-green-stripe blazer. Oh how we laughed. The second-poshest school, the ex-grammar, King's, went in for blazers and stripes too, but theirs was maroon and grey, so less hideous. Sixth-form girls have to wear maroon-and-white-stripe shirts and ankle-length maroon skirts, though, for reasons I have never understood.

  • apgbud apgbud

    11 Aug 2010, 1:07PM

    Broad reminds me a lot of Brett Lee at his age - fiery, tempremental, arrogant and with something of an attitude problem.

    Lee developed into one of the most sportsmanlike and decent cricketers of his generation. There's no reason to think that Broad won't equally clean up his attitude with a bit more maturity. We have a bowler of genuine matchwinning ability here, and it would be nice to think we can excuse him of having a little bit of fire in his belly.

    No other country in the world would be having this kind of pop at a young quicky. And rightly so. Keep it up, Stuart.

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