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Why the north-south divide will soon become a chasm

We are not all in this together, whatever the metropolitan elite may say. The cuts will be felt most far beyond the M25

Let us begin by scything through one of the more delusional aspects of the current political conversation. We are not all in this together. In areas of the country light years from the upmarket parts of London, a few cynical attempts at "consultation" and the old Thatcherite mantra about there being no alternative will not cut it. Given that the Lib Dems seem to be confining any progressive pull on the government to issues of crime, punishment and civil liberties, plans for the economic and social fabric represent Conservatism red in tooth and claw – and only 24% of the electorate fancied anything like that. Needless to say, precious few of them lived in the places where the cuts will really bite.

A reminder to anyone still averting their eyes from the coalition's worst aspects: there is a deeply unpleasant noise around this government, founded on an unbelievably haughty view of people who live beyond the affluent south, and an apparent belief that the public sector comes close to being an offence to the human spirit. You hear its polite manifestation in David Cameron's proposed move on the security of council tenants, all those pronouncements on welfare dependency and alleged benefit fraud, and his recent insistence that the cuts will be permanent. For a sharper flavour, sample the output of the Adam Smith Institute, or visit the rightwing corners of the blogosphere – where our northern cities are routinely compared to communist eastern Europe, and people pledge allegiance to a credo that has turned the economist's notion of "crowding out" into an article of faith: that any hacking back of the state will lead to great sunlit uplands of investment, enterprise and initiative.

In the real world, of course, millions of Britons live in places where market forces have never begun to fill the void left by the demise of manufacturing and heavy industry, and the public sector is the chief means via which life can tick over. In these places, chop the state down, and far from boosting private enterprise, you weaken it – a simple truth evident in waning business confidence and the dread possibility of a double-dip recession.

Some numbers. At the last count, public spending accounted for 62.7% of the GDP of Northern Ireland. In Wales, the figure was 57.4%; in Scotland, 50.3%. The north-east of England scored 57.1%; the north-west 50.2%. If you want to understand the essential difference between the south-west and south-east, consider their respective numbers: 42.1%, as against the uncontested national low of 34.1%. When the recession first stirred, there was talk about how it would disproportionately affect London and the home counties. But it didn't work out like that: the jump in unemployment in the north of England was nearly three times bigger than the south-east's, and now austerity will surely deliver an even harder blow. The result: an inflaming of that national scar we know as the north-south divide, as the regional economy focused on London contrasts with virtual deserts elsewhere – on which the crowding-out crowd will presumably dance, willing the arrival of green shoots.

They will not appear, partly because of a particularly baffling aspect of the government's plans. During the election campaign, when he was quizzed about the pain to come in parts of the country that rely on the public sector, David Cameron served notice of a "rebalancing", and said: "We need a bigger private sector … the aim has got to be to get the commercial sector going." So why is he killing off the regional development agencies, which exist to spark just the kind of leaps forward he says he wants?

Last year, a study by PricewaterhouseCoopers found that every £1 the RDAs spent resulted in an average gain of £4.50 for regional economies; they helped over 35,000 businesses, assisted in the creation of 8,500 startups, and played a role in over 400,000 people acquiring new skills. Though Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland – and London! – will keep their equivalents, the English regions will now have to make do with much smaller "local enterprise partnerships", who will bid for money from a centrally administered "regional growth fund", gifted with less than half the current budget for the RDAs. So it is that the cutting of public-sector jobs is accompanied by an attack on the means to generate new private ones, which only underlines an ongoing mystery: if the cuts are for keeps and a watershed "rebalancing" is the guiding idea, has the coalition got anything more convincing up its sleeve? Or is its vision for the state-reliant parts of the UK reducible to a banal faith in the free market?

Naturally enough, government ministers do not tend to voice the more divisive aspects of their politics. But let us not forget the tribe we are largely dealing with: all too often, the metropolitan merchants of a kind of social Darwinism, brimming with the prejudice glimpsed when Boris Johnson's incarnation of the Spectator famously took aim at Liverpool. The then MP for Henley may have travelled north to apologise, but the relevant article is worth revisiting because of its echoes of the winds blowing through Whitehall: "A combination of economic misfortune … and an excessive predilection for welfarism have created a peculiar, and deeply unattractive, psyche among many Liverpudlians. They ... see themselves, whenever possible as victims, and resent their victim status, yet at the same time they wallow in it."

This is not just a north-south thing, as I was recently reminded while picking through a copy of the same magazine, and the musings of the ex-Telegraph editor Charles Moore, who'd visited Trowbridge, seven miles from where I live. I've been to more upmarket places, but its slightly forlorn atmosphere is down to the dominance of low-wage jobs, and simple deprivation. Now, what with it being the HQ of Wiltshire county council, hundreds of its people fear the cuts. Moore, however, bemoaned an absence of "local pride … visible, it seemed to me, in the demeanour of the tattooed people shuffling round, which was the saddest thing." He continued: "This is a place, I felt, which has no excuse – extreme unemployment, sudden mass immigration – for itself. It could be 10 times better if it tried. Why doesn't it?"

That, I suspect, is a portent of the plummy-voiced exhortations to come, as the hammer really falls: Get up! Come on! What's the matter with you?


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  • picklederics picklederics

    8 Aug 2010, 9:09PM

    Never mind the north/south divide I think we are entering a new era off division never witnessed even in the Thatcher years.Good article but as ever most journalists, whether editorially restricted or otherwise, fail to see the impending ideological shit that is about to be inflicted on the people of this country.

  • hermionegingold hermionegingold

    8 Aug 2010, 9:11PM

    i must confess being from the south i thought the 'divide' had become a myth
    and we were all united against the french!

    the general election as played out here on cif was a revelation to me. the hatred
    of certain factions was something i thought died out years ago.

    it goes without saying i love the people from the north but what an eye opener.

    x

  • xenium1 xenium1

    8 Aug 2010, 9:11PM

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  • polishsupporter polishsupporter

    8 Aug 2010, 9:13PM

    has there not been a tough white collar private sector recession in London and the South.

    There have been lay offs, pay freezes and thousands of middle class on the dole.

    It is tough, but this mess started two years ago. Of course frontline services should be protected, but the public sector shouldn't be sacred.

    Just because governrment haven't directly been doing it, it does mean the economy hasn't.

  • myfellowprisoners myfellowprisoners

    8 Aug 2010, 9:13PM

    Which gives me an excellent idea for a TV series: "Upper Class Twit Transfer".
    Charles Moore goes to live in Towbridge for six months on JobSeekers Allowance. Long-term unemployed bloke gets to edit the Telegraph.

  • Kyson Kyson

    8 Aug 2010, 9:14PM

    Don't think it's as simple as a north-south thing - plenty of poverty in London and the south-east and large areas of wealth in northern England. What is clear is that most Tory/Libersal changes will favour those who already live in relative comfort wherever that is.

  • RufusRedcut RufusRedcut

    8 Aug 2010, 9:15PM

    Quite so.

    Headline in Torygraph:

    "City bonuses jump 25pc to £10bn"

    May God forgive the Liberal Democrats and their hideous leader - those of us unfortunate (or foolish enough) not to live in the SE will never forgive them - but let them see how many seats in Parliament they are left with. No doubt Nick will move on to better things.

  • LesterJones LesterJones

    8 Aug 2010, 9:16PM

    Contributor Contributor

    Whenever this jumble of losers (misnamed a coalition) actually says anything...look in the exact opposite direction for the truth...

    ...we're in it together means you're in it on your own...

    ...policies for a Big Society means policies for a small elite...

    ...voluntarism means forcing people to save their services or perish...

    ...Public service cuts means private price hikes...

    ...progressive means regressive...

    ...etc etc...

    ...Arrogantly representing nobody this body of minority driven ideologues are betraying voters and the nobility of democracy...

    This is not just a north-south thing

    No...this is an ancient power grab aimed at corporate feudalism...they don't give a monkeys where you live...

  • card card

    8 Aug 2010, 9:17PM

    Next, I'd like to see an honest article about what makes the people inhabiting the south-east of England so terrifyingly, so crawlingly, so arse-lickingly rightwing...

    Mainly it's the fact that there is always a decent supply of jobs in the south-east of England, which makes them think that a good job is their just desert / something to do intrinsically with their ability rather than being down to chance economic decisions taken by people they don't know who don't care about them. People who don't have that luck know, from bitter experience, that something more reliable is needed in the bad times.

    The abolition of the RDAs is sheer naked ideological hatred of regions. The RDAs were popular with business and had done plenty of good.

  • MikeEspana MikeEspana

    8 Aug 2010, 9:21PM

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  • davidabsalom davidabsalom

    8 Aug 2010, 9:23PM

    It's a fundamental truth of British Politics that the Tories look after their own and crap on everyone else. No amount of Big Society rhetoric was ever going to change that.

  • mschin mschin

    8 Aug 2010, 9:23PM

    They had spent a lot of money and the people of Sheffield would have to pay for it. He could assure the ratepayers the guardians had been exceedingly careful how they had spent the money... They had spent the money well and got something durable. The buildings would not tumble down in a year or two, they were commodious and substantial... Concluding, he hoped that, with the spread of education, pauperism would decrease, and that people would be more careful, thoughtful and thrifty, so that the time might arrive when the workhouse would not be required.

    Alderman Searle, 22 September 1881, at the opening of Sheffield Workhouse.

    The workhouse is still standing, albeit in use as part of the Northern General Hospital (unlike Eccesall Bierlow workhouse, which is now a gated community for the better off). Looks like we'll be returning to the workhouse days in this city again.

  • fairer fairer

    8 Aug 2010, 9:24PM

    picklederics
    Had to admire your so true posting.
    Pretty rich boy Clegg who loves his image on the media, joined forces with another born rich boy Cameron.
    So its not rocket science to see they represent the rich and titled only, exactly as Thatcher did.
    This ideological shit is already hitting the NHS and all services, so unemployment is booming and will become meteoric.
    Thatcher would be so proud of Cameron and Cleggy.
    I do not see this as a north south divide.
    Simply the rich being made mega rich, and the poor becoming destitute, exactly as Thatcher did.
    Thats what a Tory does, its his ideology.

  • wyngwili wyngwili

    8 Aug 2010, 9:25PM

    "North/South divide." There is an inner London divide a council house/estate affluent house next door divide in this city, The cuts are going to slam normal people.

  • Loganbend Loganbend

    8 Aug 2010, 9:26PM

    Last year, a study by PricewaterhouseCoopers found that every £1 the RDAs spent resulted in an average gain of £4.50 for regional economies

    Where from?

    Oh, thats right, the EU mainly, to which we are net contributors.

  • stevehill stevehill

    8 Aug 2010, 9:27PM

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    Last year, a study by PricewaterhouseCoopers found that every £1 the RDAs spent resulted in an average gain of £4.50 for regional economies

    So basically, in England (only) the current RDA model is being replaced by something else which is a bit cheaper?

    I'm sorry, but at the risk of differing with a firm which pays me a pension, it is unknowable how much of this private sector success might have happened anyway - as a result of the determination of the entrepreneurs and their workforces to succeed.

    I remain very sceptical of so-called private sector businesses which somehow seem to be incapable of surviving without sucking at the taxpayers' teat. The clearly stated preference of the Sheffield Forgemasters management for a government handout rather than an (available) private sector solution speaks volumes: the state stumps up £80 million and asks no questions. The private sector would like some obviously unwanted control over spending the money wisely. Therefore they are "bad".

    And to be honest, accountancy firms make a few quid out of helping them all put grant applications together as well.

  • HomoSafari HomoSafari

    8 Aug 2010, 9:27PM

    This is not just a north-south thing, as I was recently reminded while picking through a copy of the same magazine, and the musings of the ex-Telegraph editor Charles Moore, who'd visited Trowbridge, seven miles from where I live

    Make your mind up then. If, as you say accurately, it isn't just a north-south thing, then rewrite the headline accordingly!

  • Loganbend Loganbend

    8 Aug 2010, 9:27PM

    davidabsalom
    8 Aug 2010, 9:23PM
    It's a fundamental truth of British Politics that the Tories look after their own and crap on everyone else. No amount of Big Society rhetoric was ever going to change that.

    Then NuLabour were Tories, judging by the way they have enriched themselves over the last 13 years.

  • thegreatfatsby thegreatfatsby

    8 Aug 2010, 9:29PM

    Most right wing political credo's are simple and stupid. Hence their perennial popularity. Conservatism begins with the belief that individuals have the innate power no matter what their personal circumstances to pull themselves up with their bootstraps. Extending help to those in need is seen as an expression of weakness. It will, for certain, demean and corrupt the recipient. Life is seen as a brutal struggle where the strong persevere and are righteous and the weak fall by the way and are therefore wholly inferior.

    Numerous rightwing philosophies have, at various times in history, maintained that the poor are simply to be endured, are not to be pitied and any attempt to help them will surely make their situation worse.

    These ideas are conveniently embraced by the rich as being self evident.

  • ClassConscious ClassConscious

    8 Aug 2010, 9:29PM

    Every successive government of whatever colour has failed to create any balance between different parts of the UK. This is partly from inertia (i.e. it is hard to achieve quickly) but also because of the self-interests of people in the South East. The establishment is largely based there and they have never accepted the argument that a minor reduction in their own standard of living is necessary to improve the lives of others in their own communities. They have had even less interest in the rest of the UK.

    There are some simple solutions that would make a big difference to restoring the balance - move the capital away from London, or move the majority of government departments from London, improve infrastructure within the UK, provide tax incentives for businesses to locate or relocate outside London.

  • stevehill stevehill

    8 Aug 2010, 9:31PM

    Contributor Contributor

    Incidentally, since the impact of these changes will be felt equally in Kent or Cornwall, don't you think it's a little disingenuous to dress up what is actually quite an interesting piece about regional policy in the tired old party frock that is or was the so-called north-south divide?

  • blauesherz blauesherz

    8 Aug 2010, 9:31PM

    This is precisely why Scotland must become independent. It's our only chance for rehabilitating our country and escaping our interests forever and always being supplanted in favour of London and the SE's interests.

  • greatgolfer greatgolfer

    8 Aug 2010, 9:31PM

    ""Government spending on the public sector is in fact of course taxpayer spending. Do we taxpayers really want to continue paying grotesquely inflated salaries to NHS "managers" who are merely political apparatchiks put in place by the last government to boss doctors about, but without any function in patient care. How does a lay manager help in the treatment of the sick? Their function should simply be to manage the "hotel" function of a hospital, NOT to determine medical policy.
    This applies in so many other public services, most of which have been used as employment agencies by New Fasc...(sorry, Labour) in order to provide jobs for their ill- or inappropriately educated pals or for them once out of office.
    Only when ALL this sort of deadwood has been removed can it be said that the public services are functioning for us. They should never again be used as employment agencies for those not involved in providing core services.
    There must be something very wrong if public spending accounts for more than 50% of income in some areas, as you describe. Who is to earn this for the country? It doesn't come out of thin air.

  • Loganbend Loganbend

    8 Aug 2010, 9:32PM

    Loganbend
    8 Aug 2010, 9:27PM

    davidabsalom
    8 Aug 2010, 9:23PM
    It's a fundamental truth of British Politics that the Tories look after their own and crap on everyone else. No amount of Big Society rhetoric was ever going to change that.

    Then NuLabour were Tories, judging by the way they have enriched themselves over the last 13 years.blockquote>

    Sorry, and forgot to add, that they have solidly crapped over everyone who doesn't live in Notting Hill in the same time frame.

  • LesterJones LesterJones

    8 Aug 2010, 9:33PM

    Contributor Contributor

    Loganbend

    Then NuLabour were Tories

    Yes they were...in as much as they followed the (debunked) economic policies that have been pouring out of the US into the policy books of (little) Britain for decades now...

    ...the whole Left/Right divide is almost entirely a sham in British politics and as you suggest, to a large extent New Labour and the Tories are one and the same...

    ...you might note that the Lib Dems and the Tories are also seeming indivisible as this gaggle of non-winners has shown...

  • VforVintage VforVintage

    8 Aug 2010, 9:34PM

    This is nothing new. When in 1936 the Jarrow marchers arrived in London ( many in the Homes Counties were shocked at the sight of such a thin and badly dressed group of men ) the Prime Minister ( and some Trade Unionists were against the march ) refused to see any of them. What the marchers didn't know was that the Tory government had long ago given up on the North and most of the Government spending was on London and the Home Counties. The North East especially had been 'cut loose' by a supposedly National Government, but , strangely enough , when the Home Counties were under threat by Nazi invasion, the Government became 'National again . Amazingly, the Northern Cities survived, and continually batter the Southern softies at the National Sport, showing that given an equal playing field, the South can't compete.

  • PaulBJ PaulBJ

    8 Aug 2010, 9:35PM

    Good article John and quite frankly the Guardian should have been publishing a lot more like this between 1997-2010 instead of cosying up to New Labour.For basically New Labour did sweet FA to reverse not only the relative decline of the old industrial areas but also their relatively high dependance on the public sector.And now the working class people who were so badly let down by New Labour in Scotland,Wales,Northern ireland and much of the North of England are going to be the ones who will bear the brunt of the swingeing ConDem public sector cuts.And no doubt the ConDems will further shaft the people of these parts of country with the delights of Workfare and Enterprize Zones which will only benefit the private sector bosses and do nothing but further degrade and humiliate the workers.Also it is open to debate whether the devolved governments in Scotland ,Wales and Northern Ireland can do much to 'soften the blow' for their peoples.Although that debate won,t apply to the people of the North of England who are sitting ducks as they have no regional representation to fall back on.

  • GeorgeBall GeorgeBall

    8 Aug 2010, 9:35PM

    If the hugely expensive RDA’s really did any good at all, why after all these years is the North not stuffed with jobs and people not clamouring to move there with its cheaper housing and lower living costs?

    I suspect the answer is that subsidised lifestyles breed subsidised lifestyles. Most of the people I know, certainly myself, have been forced all their lives to move to where the work is, which makes for variety and economic sense.

    Trying to make a region, or town, or the countryside or whatever, economically viable when natural forces dictate otherwise is like commanding the tide to stay out. The harm it does is against all interests, not least the people given artificial hope of an upturn.

    In a decline move. Move to where there is work. Move to where there is life. Move to where you can make something of yourself.

  • Loganbend Loganbend

    8 Aug 2010, 9:36PM

    thegreatfatsby
    8 Aug 2010, 9:29PM
    Most right wing political credo's are simple and stupid. Hence their perennial popularity. Conservatism begins with the belief that individuals have the innate power no matter what their personal circumstances to pull themselves up with their bootstraps. Extending help to those in need is seen as an expression of weakness. It will, for certain, demean and corrupt the recipient. Life is seen as a brutal struggle where the strong persevere and are righteous and the weak fall by the way and are therefore wholly inferior.

    Numerous rightwing philosophies have, at various times in history, maintained that the poor are simply to be endured, are not to be pitied and any attempt to help them will surely make their situation worse.

    These ideas are conveniently embraced by the rich as being self evident.

    Apart from being wholly wrong this is an interesting explaination.

    True conservatism embraces the idea of self reliance for sure. Also that of equality of opportunity, but not of result. The strong, the determined and the motiviated flourish, and the weak, the apathetic and the lazy do not.

  • RufusRedcut RufusRedcut

    8 Aug 2010, 9:36PM

    ClassConscious

    "There are some simple solutions that would make a big difference to restoring the balance - move the capital away from London, or move the majority of government departments from London, improve infrastructure within the UK, provide tax incentives for businesses to locate or relocate outside London."

    You mad dreamer! (It seems very obvious and simple doesn't it - but hey who's in charge? - Clegg, Osbone and Cameron? - where are they from?)

  • oommph oommph

    8 Aug 2010, 9:37PM

    "Last year, a study by PricewaterhouseCoopers found that every £1 the RDAs spent resulted in an average gain of £4.50 for regional economies."

    Along with steve's comment's I'd also wonder what that 4.5 for every one was. Genuine new work and entrepeneurship?. Not re-routed public sector money / grants etc? Not a slice of marginal activity from a "bubble" boom that would always disappear when the economy slowed?

    For such an apparently good return, where are the sustainable outcomes if the economy is still so bad? And, in the last five years it was quite the vogue to set up "start-ups" in new industries that prided themselves on being "entrepeneurial" while being quitely funded almost entirely on public money. Many are now closing.

    Really. I despair. I'm from the north and I've been hearing this for 30 years. And I have probably said this on John's blog before. We all know the problems. We seem to have few answers, though. Except on an individual basis - we get out.

  • Liberty53000 Liberty53000

    8 Aug 2010, 9:43PM

    I see a lot comments on here (toffee-nosed, bigoted twat etc.) concerning right-wing snobbery towards the north. However, I have equally been witness to significant amounts of left-wing snobbery towards the north, most along the lines of 'flag-waving, backwards, little englanders'.

    I have heard friends say they want to be teachers in disadvantaged areas, but when I propose working in Hull, Leeds, or Blackpool, most crinkle their noses, and have more romantic ambitions like teaching Somali refugees in London.

    For thirteen years Labour had the opportunity to help the North. When Northerners needed work they imported newcomers, when Northerners needed teachers they were overlooked, and when the working class north sought to be represented by the working class defenders of the Labour party they were ignored.

    Labour did nothing about the divide either.

  • RufusRedcut RufusRedcut

    8 Aug 2010, 9:43PM

    SteveHill

    Incidentally, since the impact of these changes will be felt equally in Kent or Cornwall, don't you think it's a little disingenuous to dress up what is actually quite an interesting piece about regional policy in the tired old party frock that is or was the so-called north-south divide?

    You should read the whole article rather than rushing to be the first to reply:

    This is not just a north-south thing, as I was recently reminded while picking through a copy of the same magazine, and the musings of the ex-Telegraph editor Charles Moore, who'd visited Trowbridge, seven miles from where I live.

  • pollitical pollitical

    8 Aug 2010, 9:44PM

    Trouble with many government apologists is that when they think they are off duty all the polite sociospeak of Cameron and Duncan Smith gets dumped and they say what they really think - that the working class are a waste of space, drug addicts and trouble makers. The panic of the moneyed classes at the uncongtrolled mob as they see it, goes back to the middle ages - see Hill's The world turned upside down.

  • HiFlight HiFlight

    8 Aug 2010, 9:45PM

    Could we just be clear that the division is not North/South.

    In the area of the Far SW I live in, we are in receipt of the only objective 1 funding from Europe - only the UK government won't provide matched funding.

    There are areas in the south of England that are suffering badly and need as much help as those in the north.

    The problem is that rich people retire here which artifically inflates the average income of one of the poorest areas of the UK

  • Corinthian11 Corinthian11

    8 Aug 2010, 9:47PM

    I remember the bleak early 1980s oh so well. There were no jobs in Liverpool and so I became a economic migrant Monday to Saturday - hitching it down to Bournemouth, Southampton, London to work on the building/demolition. Eventually heading off to Germany.

    Difference was I was in my late teens early 20s then - when the Tory axe falls this time I'm as old as my dad was in the 1980s - He never worked past the age of 51 after being made redundant from his job as a maintenance fitter - god knows he tried to find it. I saw the life drain away from his eyes every time he got the knock back - eventually he gave up.

    I hope it isn't going to be my fate.

    We're all in this together eh... well, that's true. Some of us are in the money with 10 billion worth of bonuses - the rest of us are soon to be in the shit... up to are necks in it.

    The big difference now is we had hope back then - we had hope that the Labour Party would throw us a rope; change things... they're almost as bad as the Tories.

  • ClassConscious ClassConscious

    8 Aug 2010, 9:48PM

    Many countries have a capital city and seat of government which is not their primary city. Move the capital from London and many of the UK's problems could be eased.

    I do know it will never happen though.

  • hermionegingold hermionegingold

    8 Aug 2010, 9:48PM

    @oommph

    good post.

    by dint of parentage i was born in london. my dad was a postman & my mum worked in a supermarket. i am proud to be a londoner but we are not all tara palmer tomkinson you know.

    x

  • MikeEspana MikeEspana

    8 Aug 2010, 9:51PM

    wyngwili -

    The original wealth of the country was indeed created by the manufacturing areas of the country but that was decades ago before the unions destroyed the steel industry, ship yards & motor industries and then the mine workers failed to realise that they weren't a captive supplier of energy.

    Now everyone has to compete in an open market but as evidenced by the million or so of jobs that immigrants have willingly picked up, the indigenous work shy in the country prefer to live off benefits rather than work for a living.

    Enough is enough, and the benefits gravy train has to stop NOW !

  • flatpackhamster flatpackhamster

    8 Aug 2010, 9:52PM

    Silverwhistle

    The UK has been governed for far too long for the benefit of the SE.

    If you want the majority of the governance you should pay the majority of the taxes. As it stands, the SE of England is the only region in the entire UK whose government subsidies are lower than its tax contribution. Every other region is a net consumer of other people's money.

    Unpleasant though it might be, jobs in the SE pay for the luxuries like free health care, good roads, good schools and so on for the North. I don't particularly begrudge it except when people crammed to the gills with self-loathing decide to hate people like me, who live in the SE, work hard, pay taxes - simply because of where we live. I've no doubt that you're an energetic anti-racist campaigner, since you're a Guardian contributor, so tell me - what's the difference between hating someone for where they come from and hating someone for where they live?

    As for the article, it seems that John Harris still hasn't learned the lesson that has been learned by a great many. Some welfare and some forms of aid are a direct disincentive to work or to achieve. Just as our foreign aid to Africa cements poverty and stifles' people's ability to make their lives better, so welfare dependency and a reliance on the public sector snuffs out people's self-reliance and willingness to strive.

    I think that what John and his Guardianista buddies really fear is not that people will suffer when welfare is removed, but that when welfare is removed people won't suffer enough. I think that they're worried that the majority of people will say 'Hey, we didn't need that after all'. The Guardian is worried that freedom from welfare dependency will shrink the Left's vote.

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