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Andrew Flintoff is a major personality but no longer a major cricketer

Andrew Flintoff's PR machine keeps churning out 'news', but the spin cannot deceive us. His cricket career is all but over

Andrew Flintoff
Andrew Flintoff will surely never play for England again as seemingly intractable fitness problems persist. Photograph: Adam Davy/Empics Sport

When it comes to Andrew Flintoff there have always been contradictions. Once, some years ago, readers of an interview in this newspaper in which he told of how, in pursuit of fitness, he had given up drinking, may have been surprised to read a tabloid story that same morning. It told of how, the night after the interview, he had wandered "tired and emotional" into Manchester's press club, of all places, at three in the morning, unwittingly giving a Daily Express hack his own exclusive.

Earlier this summer his management company issued a release saying he intended to play for Lancashire in the second half of the summer, a line bought and promulgated by some outlets who had not bothered to read further down, where hidden away it also said he had undergone further knee surgery and would be out for another four months.

So it really should have been no surprise that a story this morning, presumably emanating from his management company once more, that he was close to finalising Twenty20 deals with an assortment of teams and franchises around the world, was followed with almost mischievous intent by another press release, this time from Lancashire. It revealed that actually his knee is still a problem and that, never mind the club cricket or second XI games he was supposed to be playing this month, he would need to continue the rehab into the winter before there was even a chance of him playing again.

At least that is Lancashire's take on it. Presumably, as a freelance, he can do what he likes, when it suits, but the idea that he will ever play cricket of any description again does not sound too promising. Certainly, when he left the scene of Oval glory last year and went under the knife, I never thought it would be anything other than the end of the line, no matter his admirable determination to prove otherwise. Why on earth, one could legitimately ask now, would Chennai Super Kings or Queensland Bulls, Northern Knights or whoever, consider signing a 32-year-old with a serially dicky knee who has not even played beach cricket for almost a year?

A better, more realistic take on it would be that any deals in the offing would be totally contingent on him proving his fitness to bat, bowl and field to the highest standards. Anything short of that, no dice. Give us a call when you are playing again, Fred. And let's see the MOT certificate first. It is safe to say that regardless of any ambition on Flintoff's part, he will not play for England again. And if it is that desire that is said to drive him through the hours of rehab then, once again, realistically he and his advisers know full well from whence the bills will be paid in future.

Of course, it is the duty of his management to keep him in the public eye, and this is no easy task for someone whose profile has been sustained by his deeds on the field. Yet it manages it. Things getting a bit quiet? A story appears revealing "Flintoff says the Australian team is not what it was". No kidding, Fred. But the name was in lights once again, which is why we get stories such as the latest PR puff. A possible schedule for freelance Fred makes it sound like one great social whirl, doing the "seasons", when the reality will be more gym work, more biking, more one-on-ones with the proviso it is made clear that Flintoff drinks Red Bull.

Flintoff, it will be argued, needs cricket more than cricket needs him now. But is that actually true, either way, any more? He has always been aware of the value of publicity (think of those carefully staged photo-op wicket celebrations during his wonderful bombardment at Lord's last year) and savvy to the needs of those whose products he endorses, indeed shameless at times in what really has been product placement: the carefully arranged caffeine drink always to hand on the team balcony; the bat held up by the blade when acknowledging applause, the better to see the stickers. However, anecdotal evidence seems to suggest he has a significant and burgeoning income that is contingent on his reputation and profile as a person rather than as a sportsman per se.

The emphasis is changing. He is not Fred the cricketer any more, he is Fred the personality. He is earning millions through not playing cricket, the income from which would be small beer by comparison. It would be hard to believe that he has exiled himself in Dubai primarily for tax reasons or warm weather rather than getting paid a large sum to promote the place. A major high street bank rewards him handsomely because he is an "A list" companion of choice for major clients. He is going off on a motorcycle "odyssey" across India for some TV company or other. The cash is rolling in and will continue to do so.

Most bizarre of all is the suggestion, scarcely credible but from someone close to his management, that he has been offered many millions of dollars by one of the US wrestling circuses to train up for a year and participate. It is not 1 April. He would have to get a better name than "Fred", though. Still, a Boston crab would sort out his knee once and for all.


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  • piltrafilla piltrafilla

    3 Aug 2010, 4:55PM

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  • reallysir reallysir

    3 Aug 2010, 4:56PM

    bit of a sniping article, so what if he makes money off the cricket pitch? good luck to him and if it is the last of his cricket career thats a shame for him and cricket

  • thecruiseboy thecruiseboy

    3 Aug 2010, 5:05PM

    he is 32 and can't earn his primary living for the next 50,60,70(!) years so I don't think he has much choice but to milk it while he can to be honest. He hasn't been Fred the Cricketer for quite some time but I don't begrudge him for trying to provide for his family while he still has some kudos with sponsors and alike.

  • Kat42 Kat42

    3 Aug 2010, 5:05PM

    Freddie wrecked his body in the cause of English cricket and gave enormous pleasure to lovers of the game. Despite the wealth he's earned from his own talent without any prestigious family connections, he obviously does love playing cricket, and it's sad he can't any more. Let's just say thanks.
    You're usually a generous spirited man, Mr Selvey. Don't let yourself down by kicking a sporting hero when he's down. Money isn't everything, and Flintoff, like Botham, uses his money and celebrity to help others.

  • Silverflash Silverflash

    3 Aug 2010, 5:12PM

    So he's famous for having been an England cricketer, and is using that fame to make money.

    If I had destroyed my body playing a sport for my country for as long as I could, I'd feel like I had the right to say, do or live whatever and wherever I wanted for the rest of my life.

    No real story here, except that PR agents and firms varnish the facts a little bit - big surprise.

  • jno50 jno50

    3 Aug 2010, 5:13PM

    You're suggesting newspapers may run PR-inspired stories?

    Here's one from the Guardian, on Broad

    Returning Stuart Broad hoping to add muscle to England's attack

    I didn't see it in the paper, and it looks harmless enough online. And yet, according to the Independent, the print version concluded that Broad uses: "Maximuscle, Europe's leading sports nutrition brand to maximise his sporting performance."

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/diary/diary-brand-muscles-in-on-broad-2038072.html

    Is that so? If so, perhaps GU isn't really in any position to protest about Fred's PR. Or to suggest theres anything wrong with a cricketer trying to make money while his body lasts.

  • baerchen baerchen

    3 Aug 2010, 5:30PM

    @Kat42
    @Silverflash

    "...destroyed his body playing for England....." ............ "wrecked his body in the cause".......

    hang on, he hasn't been to Helmand you know. He can still walk.
    He's the Jordan of cricket. Nothing wrong with it. Just not the slightest interest in watching it personally.

  • majorrichardsharpe majorrichardsharpe

    3 Aug 2010, 5:32PM

    If I had destroyed my body playing a sport for my country for as long as I could,

    nothing to do with the boozing or doing untold damage to his knee from being a fat boy during his early years

    a phenomenal player to watch when on song, but it was sadly too rare a sight.

    fairly rubbish averages as well

  • clivejw clivejw

    3 Aug 2010, 5:33PM

    No one else could have delivered England's first test victory against Australia at Lord's for 80+ years by pounding life out of that unforgiving surface through sheer force of will. The beginning of the end was on the same surface three years earlier, when Flintoff bowled himself onto the surgeon's slab in a heroic, and that time futile, victory bid.

    Lord's is now virtually a subcontinental pitch when it doesn't swing, and it will end the careers of many more fast bowlers.

  • AngryRedSquirrel AngryRedSquirrel

    3 Aug 2010, 5:38PM

    It's nice that he doesn't like the idea of paying tax here. That kind of bugs me more than the weak PR stuff which, of course, news outlets are free to ignore if they don't think it's real news.

  • clivejw clivejw

    3 Aug 2010, 5:38PM

    I would like to add that if, as seems likely, he's more likely to be a celebrity, famous for being famous, from now on, rather than a sportsman, at least he does have an agreeable personality and a sharp, intelligent wit, unlike most of the C-list celebs on the circuit.

    Maybe when the knee gets fixed he can put his mind to regaining cricket's rightful Strictly crown...

  • mroli mroli

    3 Aug 2010, 5:40PM

    God Damn that management doing their jobs. Of course, if the press just ignored the churn of nothingness and concentrated on genuine stories then it wouldn't matter what the management company were doing would it? The press are as much in thrall to the cult of sporting personality as they are to the cult of celebrity....

  • MikeSelvey MikeSelvey

    3 Aug 2010, 5:40PM

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    Don't begrudge him a single penny or cent. Why would I? He has given us some great moments and a lot of fun. But I think its time people stopped thinking of him as a cricketer not least ISM who put out most of this guff.

    And for the record, I think it wrong that we and others carry pieces because conveniently they have been 'offered' by a sponsor rather than because we actually need them. It is why I turned down a one-on-one with Fred in the Caribbean last year, arranged by Red Bull, because I did not want to help promote stuff I dislike intensely.

  • tobymiller69 tobymiller69

    3 Aug 2010, 5:48PM

    Mike Selvey is on the money once again, both literally and metaphorically. The idea that Flintoff bowled himself into the ground for his country--great, so would many people. The idea that he was a great cricketer--he was very good at a time without many good all-rounders, and for about 18 months only. Next to Kapil, Imran, Wasim, Hadlee--sorry, don't make me laugh--they were brilliant enough and dedicated enough and disciplined enough not to embarrass all around them on a routine basis, and had classical actions and the ability to change things in order to protect themselves from injury. Flintoff is part of England's folklore because of one important season.

  • calminthestorm calminthestorm

    3 Aug 2010, 5:50PM

    I'm not sure what the point is.

    He's making money while he can, shamelessly sometimes. But he is one of the few cricketers that can command money outside of the sport.

    But that cash will have reducing returns as he moves away from actually playing. He can only drink so many cans of Torro Rosso shamelessly before people start to think of him as a walking billboard.

  • GreenLake GreenLake

    3 Aug 2010, 5:53PM

    I'm with Mike on this one -- I don't think this was a bash-Freddy article, so much as a pretty justified moan about the incessant spin and twaddle that comes form these management companies and PR firms.

    I'm sorry Freddy's injuries have cut short a fabulous and, briefly, great career. It's a shame we won't see him play again and it must be desperately hard to take for a guy who clearly loves the game as much as he loved the fame and riches his talents brought him.

    But he's a millionaire many times over. Getting all weepy about his need to provide for his family when he and the next couple fo generations of Flintoffs are set for life is a tad much, really. I get more of a lump in the throat thinking about Simon Jones's career and all that could have been than I do worrying about Fred, to be honest.

    And, ultimately, there's such a thing as dignity and having a bit of class. I'm sure Fred felt a genuine sense of obligation and duty to his sponsors and backers and I respect that. But all the conflicting PR puff pieces that Mike mentions are in danger of diminishing his reputation rather than boosting his appeal.

  • heroesfitness heroesfitness

    3 Aug 2010, 5:53PM

    Any one who knocks one of the best cricketers ever to have set foot on a cricket pitch needs time evaluating their own character. fred has been a pleasure to watch for many years and it'#s such a shame his body has made him become a gun for hire, so he can not be punished for doing this.

  • NotSingingAnymore NotSingingAnymore

    3 Aug 2010, 6:07PM

    Mike - rest easy, I didn't even know Red Bull were on board (surely they'd have KP if anybody?). Is it Red Bull specifically or sponsors in general that get your goat? Although I agree that the PR machines are a plague but at least articles declare an interest (Kevin Costner is appearing in this edition of Exchange & Mart thanks to our friends at Turkish Airlines).

    Sad to see him go, not many people can grab a match by the throat and wrestle it to the floor. And I guess the reason that he's popular as a companion is because he comes across as genuine and gregarious.

    @thecruiseboy - I have you, I'll bloody have you ...

  • kritter kritter

    3 Aug 2010, 6:12PM

    The problem was that he was always marketed as England's best player and only hope - when he wasn't and isn't. Never took enough wickets, often bowled too short.

    Still he did some good stuff for england and looks like he will have a nice post-cricket life - fairplay to him.

  • SvQMedia SvQMedia

    3 Aug 2010, 6:16PM

    Well I have never played cricket and am not even very interested in sport but I do remember reading about the drunken exploits of Mr Flintoff on a beach somewhere when the England team were playing someone.

    I would guess I might even be in the majority of people so how companies can pay him millions to be an ambassador for their wares beats me!

  • MikeSelvey MikeSelvey

    3 Aug 2010, 6:21PM

    Staff Staff

    NotSingingAnymore :
    Not sponsors per se. They make the sporting world go round. Just the way in which it is assumed, almost expected, to act as PR outlets. A couple of weeks ago, for example, many of my colleagues had to go to a motor racing circuit somewhere to watch Andrew Strauss, Alastair Cook and someone else, I forget, drive their new Jaguars very fast before they were allowed to squeeze a line out of them. I like to think that I know people well enough that if I want an interview with, say, Paul Collingwood, because it has a direct relevance to what I am doing, I can call him and ask directly rather than have some PR person emailing me to ' offer' it.

  • Galactus Galactus

    3 Aug 2010, 6:30PM

    @NotSingingAnymore and thecruiseboy

    Scrap! Scrap! Scrap! Winner gets the image rights ;-)

    I must admit to mixed feelings towards Flintoff. He provided me with some of my most treasured memories (especially that spell on the fourth day at the Oval in 2005) but I dislike the cult of personality that led to, for example, those messianic poses in the 2009 series.

    As time goes by, though, I suspect that the memories of Fredalo, etc, will fade to grey, or at least interesting footnotes, while those magical spells when he would have proved a handful for any batter on the planet will stick in the memory. Which is probably exactly the way it should be.

    PS. On a selfish note, gutted by this announcement. I'd already booked myself in with my parents, who live just down the road from St Annes Cricket Club.

  • Galactus Galactus

    3 Aug 2010, 6:37PM

    By the way, good to see you refusing to play along with the PR machine game, Mike. Although doubtless some blogging pedant is already trying to seek out an interview you conducted which ends with "Ashley Giles was speaking at the launch of Mugs R Us" or some such line.

  • rowingrob rowingrob

    3 Aug 2010, 6:45PM

    I'd be really interested to know what Flintoff has done to provoke such a mean spirited article.

    There must be a reason why such a balanced and fair writer as Mike Selvey has done such a hatchet job.

  • HammondOrganB3 HammondOrganB3

    3 Aug 2010, 6:52PM

    So he's to be a cricketing version of Gary Lineker? Better that than a cricketing version of Paul Gascoigne.

    Anyway, I have no ill feelings to the grown-ups who play rounders for a living. Indeed, I admire their good sense to wear woolly jumpers and sensible trousers on chilly days.

  • CliffordChallenger CliffordChallenger

    3 Aug 2010, 6:55PM

    It's a good article. Sport is hard and careers short. Fred gave good value but there was only one Lancashire cricketer I was thinking about during the last test match.
    Sad though Flintoff is a tax exile. Somebody's taxes paid for his education (and maybe helped him as a boy cricketer?) and he was happy enough to have an England shield tattooed on his arm when he wanted to flaunt his patriotism.

  • nocod nocod

    3 Aug 2010, 6:58PM

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  • Oldbritain Oldbritain

    3 Aug 2010, 7:00PM

    Flintoff was a very good but nowhere near great player who shone sometimes very brightly in an era of generally mediocre test cricket.

    I saw him at Fenner's when he was still pretty young smash 80 odd in no time at all and the power and ease of his hitting suggested an enormous batting talent, which sadly was rarely fulfilled.

    He was a magnicent bowler, though, and with better luck with his fitness and a touch of humility could truly have been one of England's all-time greats.

  • brightonrox brightonrox

    3 Aug 2010, 7:21PM

    i think this article is robust and very relevant

    flintoff was great when he was good

    unfortunately he was mediocre for far too much of his career. particulary he drank away the first few years and was very immature when offered the world of cricket at his feet.

    he dramatically underachieved relative to his talent, and that's a criminal shame.

    i can understand why the media lose their perspective over him and fawn like little puppies (we want heroes don't we), but i don't agree with it. i think journalism like selvey's is important to add balance.

    bottom line: fred can trade on one good season (2005) for the rest of his life, get used to seeing a sponsor's name at the bottom of the article...

  • crumbleapple crumbleapple

    3 Aug 2010, 7:44PM

    I have very mixed feelings about Flintoff. He was the all rounder for me when the selectors kept picking Craig White, and his all round ability was there for all to see, when he scored 92 and picked up some wickets for Lancashire against Northants in a B&H game in 1998. However, so many spells of injury have taken their toll on the man himself, the selectors, and my opinion of him, not to mention the many Lancashire supporters. I think Mike Selvey has produced a very balanced and fair reflection of where Flintoff is today, and without doubt, he is a celeb, because he doesn't play cricket now. I found out he was living in Dubai via Channel 4 racing but am sorry to learn he's yet another fierce patriot who doesn't want to pay tax at home. Join Sir Sean Connery and Lord Ashcroft, Fred. He was a great talent who never played long enough to really establish himself among the very greats, but the modern, fierce publicity machine has done that for him. Mention Cheryl Cole or Kylie Minogue every day and soon you will have a sensation on your hands, and Flintoff seems to be going the same way, for those who do not follow cricket. I cannot see the malice in the article at all, just a hard headed analysis of things as they are. Perhaps in this age of adulation, hugging and hype, such an article is too much to take. Try telling Gordon Brown it's too harsh on Flintoff.

  • bushnumpty bushnumpty

    3 Aug 2010, 7:54PM

    As Fred sits at one of his many homes, with Ashes 2005 DVD on the telly, Sports Personality of the year trophy on the mantlepiece, he can say to himself 'not bad for a fat lad'

  • SpeedOfLight921 SpeedOfLight921

    3 Aug 2010, 7:56PM

    Freddie wrecked his body in the cause of English cricket

    Flintoff had about half a dozen good matches for England.

    His joints simply couldn't cope with the force his style & size put them under.

    The drinking obviously didn't help his career either.

  • FrogC FrogC

    3 Aug 2010, 8:12PM

    The version of this headline that appears on the front page might get you into a bit of trouble. Whatever your views on Freddie (and I'm a fan), you surely don't mean that he was not a cricketer. Suggest you delete the indefinite article to make the meaning clear.

  • JRHartley JRHartley

    3 Aug 2010, 8:19PM

    I think the generally muted response to this news is a testament to how far England have come in the last 12 months. England under Strauss and Flower are far more sure of themselves than they were in last year's Ashes. I remember getting quite irritated last September when Flintoff's management team - led by the ubiquitous Chubby "Andrew" Chandler - announced that our Fred intended to freelance his way round the world in order to become "the greatest ODI player of all time" or some similar WWE-style bullshit. This claim was based on the notion that Flintoff had somehow won the Ashes singlehanded i.e. his Lord's bowling performance, his disgruntled non-selection for the Headingley test whereupon England promptly got hammered, and the fact that we were getting tonked in the following ODI series whilst our hero was under the knife for queen and country.

    Of course, a lot of this was hot air, driven by the proponents of Brand Flintoff. His Lord's spell was of course outstanding, but that was his only real standout performance in the whole series. Today, the idea of pining for Fred seems quite irrelevant - we have plenty of 'characters' in our side, have reversed our ODI form, won the Twenty20 world cup and have real depth and diversity in our (young) fast bowling attack. Collectively, the players in our current side can do decent impressions of Fred - counterattacking batting in the lower order, energetic fielding, aggressive bowling. If we can get Shazhad reverse-swinging it in Australia this winter, we will be able to say that the Flintoff legacy is complete.

    With Flintoff, we have a lot to be thankful for, and he did as much as anyone to get people excited about English cricket in the past fifteen years. I just wish he would retire from cricket so we can salute him properly, and not have to deal with all this palaver anymore. And then he can drink all the Red Bull and fight as many american wrestlers as he likes.

  • rh1968 rh1968

    3 Aug 2010, 8:35PM

    Someone was telling the story on TMS the other day about FF pitching up to a schoolboy match, hitting the first ball for a huge six, deliberately skying his next for a catch and handing his shirt to the bowler as he went off to sign some autographs. Says it all, I think Fred embodied so many things that make cricket such a fabulous game. And for those making bitchy comments about his fondness for a drop of something sensible (not Red Bull!) that was also part of cricket until it became fashionable to pick protein shake swilling professionals with as much talent, spontanaeity and ability to inspire their team and their fans as Fred has in his little finger. Hope he can play again, if not he'll have still done more for English cricket than any other player of the last decade.

  • JFBridge JFBridge

    3 Aug 2010, 8:57PM

    I object to some of the sneering comments about Fred Flintoff being the 'best' of a mediocre bunch.The Ashes 2005 series is arguably the most thrilling test series in the history of the game,not just notable for the edge-of-the-seat results involved but for the very high standard of cricket played.And a Flintoff at his apex was the main reason England were inspired to victory in that most sublime of series (remember how impressive that victory was with Shane Warne as peerless as ever,taking over 40 wickets if memory serves correctly,England's eternal nemesis for nearly two decades),my only really happy recall of anything in the miserable noughties.
    And his record is not mediocre at all,considering his injury problems (not just his knee,but back,ankle and hernia problems have stifled what should have been a better record,though admittedly his apparent frequent binges of booze and junk food didn't help,including the infamous Fredalo incident among others);over 3,800 runs and 226 wickets in 79 tests is pretty good in my book despite his periods of forced and unenforced non-fitness.I suppose I'm a trifle more biased being a Lancashire CCC fan,and yes,it was a career that should have offered more minus his often reckless indulgences,but when Fred was the business,there was no more exciting or charismatic cricketer anywhere.

  • keybored keybored

    3 Aug 2010, 9:14PM

    i'm not a huge follower of cricket but i just don't get this cult of flintoff thing. seems to me, for the talent we're told he has, that he's hugely underachieved as a cricketer. as someone else says above... he can't hold a light to the very best all-rounders.

    fans of flintoff will claim injuries in his defence. but that's just it - if he hadn't spent so much time out on the lash, and more time keeping himself in shape, surely his body would've held up to the demands of the sport far better? how many aussies have there been in recent years who've managed to stretch a top - top - class career out for 10 - 15 years?

    why in this country do we seem to applaud the 'geezer' sports people more than the dedicated achievers?

  • MikeytheBlue MikeytheBlue

    3 Aug 2010, 9:28PM

    Selvers is spot-on. Readers who think he's having a pop at Fred ought to read his piece again, that is if they even read it at all.

    Flintoff gave cricket fans many moments to savour - although perhaps not as many as we'd like to think - but he's gone and more than likely ain't coming back. I for one am glad I saw him in the flesh, both for Lancs and England.

    As for the sponsor-line, jno50 is bob-on. Sadly, the Guardian's sports pages, while, IMHO, miles ahead of the rest of the broadsheets, are sprinkled with puffs and plugs for various outfits, Sky TV being a regular recipient of such generosity along the lines of "such-and-such a competition is livew on Sky HD1 this weekend."

  • francaise francaise

    3 Aug 2010, 9:30PM

    Reality bites deep in New Cameronia eh? Seems as he's setting himself up for a spell on a desert island sometime soon...'A' list? Don't think so despite his Ashes successes; short termism being what it is in these media-driven days, with another Ashes series in the offing, the EPL season warming up and folk worrying more about recesssion bites than an injured cricketer doing Dubai, Fred's PR circus will have to be multi-tasking 24/7 to keep the lad in the public eye; let it go my son - you've been there, you've done it; you've merited what you've got - DON'T do an Ali, even a Beckham and think you still can when you can't; go quietly into that fading light. Un magnifique bonhomme!

  • sjf1979 sjf1979

    3 Aug 2010, 9:42PM

    Very good article Mr Selvey. I agree completely.

    Also support the comments regarding Flintoff's treatment of his own body. The number of wickets McGrath, Ambrose, Walsh et al took after the age of 29 is obscene compared to Flintoff. I despair when I hear people say that he was 'unlucky with injuries' or that he 'gave his body to England'. This is a man who took no care of his body and I believe his early retirement from Tests had more to do with drinking than any cricket related issues.

    For me, the moment I lost respect for both Flintoff and KP was when they each claimed to be going to play in the IPL to 'improve their game'. An embarrassing comment and very pertinent when you consider the injuries they either recieved / aggravated* (*delete as appropriate) before the 2009 Ashes.

    I have no hard feelings towards Flintoff. He was a good player, but let's not pretend for one minute that he was anything more than that.

  • HarryMalarkey HarryMalarkey

    3 Aug 2010, 10:04PM

    Flintoff's main attribute post 2005 (his only good series) was the ability to galvanise the team, rather than do much himself. His presence gave the crowd a lift, his team mates, particularly the bowlers, seemed to perform better when he was on the pitch, and he was always liable to do something, such as run Ponting out in the last test last year.

    As for his own performances throughout his international career, he doesn't compare to the likes of Jacques Kallis or Shaun Pollock in terms of all-rounders, and has test averages worse than the likes of Shane Watson for both batting and bowling.

    All in all I do think the way he has marketed himself is what keeps him in the public eye, rather than his performances.

    He was awesome in 2005 mind.

  • johntosh7 johntosh7

    3 Aug 2010, 10:04PM

    Freddie may still be a major personality but I, for one, haven't seen or heard anything from him for over a year. I used to like his bluff, friendly interviews on the box.

    Cricket's finished for me. I don't have Sky and won't be getting it so Freddie........

    .......................thanks for all the thrills and laughs.

  • FunkyBadgerII FunkyBadgerII

    3 Aug 2010, 10:31PM

    Let's not be too harsh on Fred - look at his build compared to McGrath, Ambrose and Walsh.

    Fred was never built to be a fast bowler - never mind the booze - he was naturally too big. A better comparison would be with Chris Cairns.

    But let's not get too carried away. I was going to write that he wasn't the lynchpin of the 05 Ashes, then I checked the averages - top ENG wicket taker and 3rd highest run scorer. He *was* monumental in that series (although just behind Warne for man of the series - stupid that people still say England were lucky, without Warne's batting Aus would have lost 4-1, never mind the 40 wickets at 19.9)

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