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Labour's summer fightback hopes dashed by new Guardian/ICM poll

Tories extend lead to 16 points as Labour drops to 25%

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Labour's hopes of a summer fightback powered by economic recovery and the NHS row are dashed by a new Guardian/ICM poll showing that the Conservatives have gained ground on key policy areas and are now the overwhelming public choice to form the next government.

Despite a month of policy attacks from Gordon Brown's summer stand-ins at No 10, and controversy over the Conservative commitment to a state-funded NHS, the opposition has extended its lead to 16 points.

Labour has lost the August battle on health, with more voters thinking the Conservatives would improve the NHS than think the party would make it worse. While 48% think healthcare would be better under a Tory government, only 41% agree with Labour warnings that it would be worse. Even 24% of current Labour voters think the Tories would improve the NHS.

The Tory lead on other policies, including education, is bigger.

In an immediate general election, 25% say they would vote Labour – the joint lowest score in Guardian/ICM polling history and the worst for Labour in the series since June last year. The figure has only been lower once, in an ICM poll carried out for another paper during Labour's spring leadership crisis.

Labour support has dropped two points since the July Guardian poll and one point since a more recent ICM survey.

The Conservatives are on 41%, unchanged since the July Guardian poll, although down two on the more recent survey.

The party has scored 40% or more in 10 of the 12 ICM polls this year. This month's poll is also the 10th time in the ICM series that Labour has scored below 30% – nine of those have come since March 2008.

The Liberal Democrats meanwhile are on 19%, down one since July and unchanged since the more recent ICM poll.

Support for other parties, boosted by the European elections, has not fallen to previous levels. At 14%, up two (including the Greens, BNP and Ukip at 3% each, and nationalist parties on 5%), it has eaten into major party support.

At a general election these figures could see Labour lose more than 150 seats, and give the Conservatives a landslide majority approaching 100.

Asked, regardless of individual party preferences, whether a Tory government under David Cameron, or a Labour one under Gordon Brown, would be best for Britain, most people back the opposition.

While 58% of all voters – including 37% of people who voted Labour in 2005 – now think Cameron would be best, only 31% back Brown. The Conservatives lead Labour among all social classes and in all regions, although they are strongest among richer voters and those in the south.

Crucially, a Cameron government is the clear preference of most Liberal Democrats – 56% would rather see the Tories in power, against 36% who want Labour. In recent general elections, Lib Dem voters tended to gang up with Labour ones to stop the Conservatives winning marginal seats. At the next election, Labour could find itself the victim of Lib Dem tactical voting instead.

Meanwhile the poll suggests Labour would find little relief by choosing a new leader. Among possible candidates, most make little difference. David Miliband is the only one who matches Brown head to head, while Harriet Harman is the alternative leader most likely to deter voters.

Offered a straight choice between Brown and Harman, 20% pick Brown and only 8% Harman. She is also less popular among women – 21% to 5% – than among men – 20% to 10%.

• ICM interviewed a random sample of 1,004 adults aged 18+ by telephone between 21 and 23 August 2009. Interviews were conducted across the country and the results have been weighted to the profile of all adults. Percentages may not add to 100 because of rounding. ICM is a member of the British Polling Council and abides by its rules.


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  • SeanThorp SeanThorp

    24 Aug 2009, 6:40PM

    So where are the people who won't be voting because they're sick of the system? No slice of pie for them but at the last general election they made up around 40% of the electorate iirc. I'd guess that next time the number will be even bigger, people are sick of the of the jokers who populate the commons.

  • Northernbloke Northernbloke

    24 Aug 2009, 6:42PM

    Lets hope that the travesty that is Nulabour gets such a kicking at the next general election that as a result it withers and dies. Hopefully as a result of its demise there will eventually arise a party not beholden to big business and to the erosion of civil liberties and the micro managing of peoples lives. One can only hope.

  • Rich91 Rich91

    24 Aug 2009, 6:43PM

    I was scared for a moment that people would have listened to the lies of the Labour Party over the summer. Hopefully their decision to postpone the election until June will further deter people from them.

  • tadpolelanding tadpolelanding

    24 Aug 2009, 6:47PM

    This poll is misleading. We need to know what the voting intentions are in each part of the UK - the pollsters don't seem to have heard of devolution - health and education, for example, are devolved issues and the Conservatives don't lead on these throughout the UK. So catch up on your reading and tell the pollsters to provide polls showing voting intentions by each part of the UK - that's Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland.

  • Madasafish Madasafish

    24 Aug 2009, 6:49PM

    SeanThorp

    The pollers adjust the %s quoted to take account only of those who are definite voters.

    After all, those who will not vote don't count for anything so they may all support the BNP or the Sun God but if they don't vote...

    This is standard procedure amongst all reputable pollsters.. Mori are the most reputable..

  • Craigoh Craigoh

    24 Aug 2009, 6:50PM

    ...25 percent.

    Well the old adage is right - you can fool some people all of the time. Thankfully you can't fool all of the poeple all of the time, or we'd really be in the soup.

    Still, it does show just how thick a quarter of the voting population appears to be.

    Even after the murderous cynicism of Iraq, the horlicks of Afghanistan, the sheer incompetence and failure and venality in all depts back home, and the endless attacks on liberty and the common law, the denial of democracy (EU Constitutional vote, anyone) and the bankrupting of the country - 25 percent of people would still vote for these f***ers! WTF?

  • Simgeo Simgeo

    24 Aug 2009, 7:00PM

    For those cheering the demise of Labour altogether and forever, just think what that'll give us. At least twenty years of a Tory government doing whatever the f*** it likes without fear of being voted out of office. But that'll be fine. The Tories surely wouldn't abuse their positions of power would they? Doesn't sound like them. Their past record is exemplary.
    I'd like to see NEW Labour get a deserved kicking, but not such a wipeout which will see our toff masters indefininitely lording it over us and reminding us to know our place. On the other hand there's a lot of British people who seem to like that. To think we used to be quite a revolutionary bunch...

    Oh and the voters who say that the Tories will improve the NHS...were you born in 1997 or do you have absolutely no recollection of the past? Sheesh.

  • chrisplatinum chrisplatinum

    24 Aug 2009, 7:05PM

    Labour might have had a better summer if they'd have had a better leader. Equipment shortages in Afghanistan, women ministers frozen out, lack of leadership over MPs expenses, ongoing leadership challenges, and a general sense of not being in the present typifies our Prime Minister's performance over the last 2 years.

  • emma2001 emma2001

    24 Aug 2009, 7:22PM

    People have short memories have they forgotten what it was like when the tories were last in power

    Lets gives the Others a chance like The Greens or the Pirate Party

  • Simonsview Simonsview

    24 Aug 2009, 7:22PM

    But who are these '25%'? Are they in the lunatic asylum or what? I mean, how much damage does a govt have to inflict before people say ENOUGH. All you have to do is look at that ridiculous blog labourlist to tell you that the labour party is MAD.

  • fursday fursday

    24 Aug 2009, 7:23PM

    Where the fuck are the Liberal Democrats? I mean 19%, seriously!? I can't even think of the last time I read an article about them, and even then it was probably something to do with how only the Cheeky Girls can save us from evil alien robots landing from outer space.

    The Tories have won this one through nothing more than sitting on their arses and saying nothing. Even if they are a load of sit-on-the-fence wishy-washies, come on, a twelve year old understands the concept of 'massive great big political opportunity.'

    If only there was a popular left-leaning berliner-sheet that could give them lots and lots of free publicity in their editorials, in turn causing the BBC to copy them, as they do, and actually making the voters realise that they don't need to vote for those nasty Tories.

    (To be fair though, it probably doesn't help that Clegg is like a poor man's Cameron look-a-likie. Bring back the red headed fella that was on Have I got News for You while we're at it, will you.)

  • webweasel webweasel

    24 Aug 2009, 7:23PM

    Thoroughly depressing reading however you look at it. The Labour party are out of ideas and running out of time, but what are the alternatives? Another five years of being lectured to by a bunch of chinless wonders whilst they slash and burn their way through the NHS and privatise the education system? Brilliant. No wonder they don't want to tell us about their policies.

    But the real kicker is that consensual politics does not exist in this country. We are going from one government elected on the wishes of 40% of the electorate to another. The other 60% of you can shut up and keep signing the cheques thank you very much.

  • legalcynic legalcynic

    24 Aug 2009, 7:23PM

    Remember this is voting intentions, people may intend to vote labour but when they know they're backing the losing side they tend not to go out and vote.

    What we really need to see is a comprehensive poll of say 5000+ in the 80 or so marginals that usually decide the election; now that would be interesting.

    Wait till the recession double dips, unemployment rates rise and inflation and interest rates start to inch upwards; 25% will seem like a good day out.

    Labour are heading for oblivion. I have, unlike for Mr Mergrawi no compassion for Labour.

  • darthbandon darthbandon

    24 Aug 2009, 7:24PM

    Why are people supporting the New Tories and Newer Tories, the LibDems seem to be the only honest people out there also they haven't had a crack at running the country not not give them a chance.

  • mds1 mds1

    24 Aug 2009, 7:28PM

    The question still needs answering. Who do Old Labour supporters vote for? Sad to say the summer purdah of Mr Brown has done nothing to improve my faith in Labour and for those of us who could never think of any circumstances in which we would vote Conservative and have voted Lib Dem as a protest we still have no way back to our roots. In Scotland there is at least the SNP who appear to have acted with a great deal of old style principle in the last few weeks but when will Labour recognise that appeasing the Bankers, turning their backs on the unemployed and doing America's dirty work in Iraq and Afghanistan will do nothing to win back the support of the legions of ex Labour voters who are sickened by the state to which they have brought the Party?

  • webweasel webweasel

    24 Aug 2009, 7:33PM

    @ mds1

    I'm interested in this - Given that the LibDems have proposed (for example) renationalising the railways and are a party based on social democratic principles, what is it that makes you sceptical of them?

  • castro1 castro1

    24 Aug 2009, 7:39PM

    Being a young person perhaps naive on the issues at hand, can I just sau 3 reasons why I think a tory government is the wprst thing to befall this country in a while.

    1. Mr Cameron as we all know is a pr savvy operator, somehow all his policies these days seem all populist and nought. Basically all huff and puff but no stuff. He says he is with the NHS but he endorsed Daniel Hannans paper with Michael Gove. He says he share the sympathy of the people but he endorses fox hunting return.
    2. Experience. Mr Camerons Notting hill set, Himself, Messrs Osbourne et al have no prior experience anywhere of leading institutions and encouraging reforms, Carlton and Conservative central are hardly training grounds for prospective EFFECTIVE governments.
    3. They are the party of a few not the many. I know this is a beaten horse already but look at them Himself, His Notting hill chums, Kenneth Clark, I do not really think there exists a connection between themselves and the common man that is paramount for any good government. Afterall they are the ones who said the credit crunch should be allowed to run its course.
    Do not get me wrong I do no think NUlabour is much better as it is now an open secret that Mr Prescott is a champagne socialist and Messrs Miliband and Purnell are tories in a red tie.

  • monnie monnie

    24 Aug 2009, 7:39PM

    Oh happy day! This is the best news! There are so many things that the
    Conservatives must change.
    I'm confident that this country will become a much better place after the election.

  • Styxdweller Styxdweller

    24 Aug 2009, 7:42PM

    The timetable is getting too tight for anyone, even as clunky and delusional as Brown, to think that Labour can pull it off. Only one thing keeps Labour wanting to delay an election and that is its final few months with red dispatch boxes and the empty trappings of power. Experience should show them that an unpopular government is increasingly at the mercy of "events, dear boy, events" (Copyright Harold MacMillan), and that the longer they wait, the worse the rout will be.

    It therefore seems as if it is in everyone's interests that an election is held as soon as possible. Labour can start their period of reconstruction with Gordon Brown consigned to some poor primary school as assistant Head Teacher. This is self-evidently good for Labour but more importantly good for us all. We all need a revitalised left of centre party. And, of course, it means that the new government can get started sorting things out that much earlier, good for the Tories and, again, more importantly, good for the country.

    It seems almost purposeless to hold on. The daily humiliation in the press is unbearable. Even reasonable Tories can get no pleasure from it. There are many decent and thoughtful people in Labour who don't deserve this. Brown assuredly does as he has plotted and sulked disloyally all these years for a job that anyone could have told him he was congenitally unsuited. Hubris and nemesis.

    Surely all this isn't just to let the Irish to vote on the Lisbon Treaty first?

  • Orthus Orthus

    24 Aug 2009, 7:50PM

    monnie

    I'm confident that this country will become a much better place after the election.

    Define a better place. Give us a timescale. Tell us what the Tories are going to do to create your utopia: Cameron won't.

  • legalcynic legalcynic

    24 Aug 2009, 7:50PM

    I really can't wait till the conference season, can you imagine Gordon's speech, the back stabbing the recriminations the plotting and almost all of it in public.

    I've never seen a snuff movie but I think that Conference this year is going to get pretty close.

    I really hope Gordon hangs on to the bitter end and has to leave Downing Street tired, broken and humiliated and most importantly in public. Justice must not only be done, it must manifestly be seen to be done and for a government that has institutionalised humiliation as a tool of public policy nothing else will serve.

  • freshchangeneeded freshchangeneeded

    24 Aug 2009, 7:50PM

    People have just had enough of Labour. I am a very political person and talk about politics in every situation I can. In most circumstances, everyone I discuss this with are anti-Labour. Like me , most voted for them well before the 1997 landslide and continued to up until 2001. We are now all in total agreement that they have ruined this once great Country. I understand why they have a strong following in certain parts of the country, but if those people lived in the ghetto's that this bunch have created and endured what some poor residents have to on a daily basis, I am sure they too would have 2nd thoughts. I am the first to admit that the Tories haven't got the best track record and need to come up with some pretty good policies to save this country but I am 100% confident they won't be any worse than Labour have been. The dream is over and has infact become a nightmare. Forget all the tax cuts and MP expenses stuff, I think the lead will become even bigger closer to the general election as the Tories will have them in knots when it comes to debating crime and immigration-in my opinion this is where Labour are actually losing most of thier key votes-mine included. And in reference to higher taxes, we all know who ever gets in, we need to fill the void they created somehow.

  • Tides Tides

    24 Aug 2009, 7:53PM

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  • TiredofArguments TiredofArguments

    24 Aug 2009, 7:56PM

    The thought of either of the two main parties being in government fills me with horror. I know the Lib-Dems haven't been exactly making in-roads but surely this is, at least partly, down to the media who pretty much ignore them - after all, if The Sun is supposedly responsible for who wins the general election then having absolutely no newspapers gunning for them is going to be a bit of a hindrance.

    So come on Guardian, don't be blinkered - see past the two party system and support the Lib-Dems. In fact, let's start a campaign here to get the Guardian to support them. Get clicking recommend to show your support!

  • lansing lansing

    24 Aug 2009, 8:01PM

    Just because Gordon Brown doesn't do elections the electorate must suffer on for nearly a year. It's a shocking abuse of power that New Labour continues when its mandate is clearly lost.

  • expensivelyeducated expensivelyeducated

    24 Aug 2009, 8:05PM

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  • rsc82 rsc82

    24 Aug 2009, 8:21PM

    I don't want to believe this poll, but I do. Even after what seems like eternal misery with Labour, more people are indending to vote for them than Lib Dem - the only bloody top 3 party with actual policies and ideas. Oh and real f*cking chancellor too. I honestly wish I had the time to slap some sense into every Lab/con voter in this country.

    I say the Guardian should be backing the Lib Dems. This is ridiculous and we need a way out. Please do something.

  • vastariner vastariner

    24 Aug 2009, 8:25PM

    The Tories have won this one through nothing more than sitting on their arses and saying nothing.

    That's how Labour won in 1997. There's a streak of "it's their turn now" in the British public; at least as far as the Big Two go.

  • rsc82 rsc82

    24 Aug 2009, 8:34PM

    expensivelyeducated -
    "the labour party should be fucking ashamed of what it has done to this country and everyone who has supported them is just as shameful."

    Interesting. You may be expensively educated (I can only guess from the name...) but you seem to be lacking memory or years. Conservatives weren't exactly popular, not that long ago. It's like people don't realise there are more than just two parties. This isn't football - blind support of any one party is just irresponsible; support should be hard to get, and easy to lose. This is how things change for the better.

  • expensivelyeducated expensivelyeducated

    24 Aug 2009, 8:38PM

    @rsc82

    so presumably you are the 82nd member of the Royal Shakespeare Company.....

    politics not like football? try telling that to some of the labour loonies round these here parts.

    the conseratives have always been pretty popular where im from.

  • rednorth rednorth

    24 Aug 2009, 8:41PM

    I'm incredibly relaxed with these opinion poll findings.

    This shower of Torylite-shite is heading for oblivion, and they're so utterly clueless they're actually expecting a recovery!

    How dumb can you be?

  • fortyniner fortyniner

    24 Aug 2009, 8:47PM

    As I keep on saying this is only an opinion poll and comes with the usual health warnings. Wait for the real votes, which will probably be a lot more confused and won't give the Tories as massive a majority as this suggests. Have we all forgotten that giving the government of the day an opinion poll kicking is quite normal behaviour.

    Voters should be careful what they wish for. The fact that they would actually trust the Tories with the NHS beggars belief given their record last time. If you put them in charge of healthcare don't whinge when they trash the system.

    New Labour deserve a kicking from the voters, but the Tories don't deserve a landslide. As I have said before, I shall be voting for neither, and I hope voters are levelheaded enough to give ALL alternatives consideration before casting their ballots next May.

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