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David Cameron reveals 'big society' vision – and denies it is just cost cutting

• PM: central control led to a 'passive, soulless' Britain
• Labour warns of return to Victorian philanthropy

David Cameron's 'big society', Liverpool
The Tories say they want to end micromanagement from Westminster and back local initiatives, starting in Liverpool, above. Photograph: Christopher Furlong/Getty Images

David Cameron today pledged to create communities with "oomph", as he launched the Tory vision of a "big society" that would involve a dramatic redistribution of power from "the elite in Whitehall to the man and woman on the street".

In his most important speech since the election on devolving power, the prime minister said he wanted to end the days in which capable people become passive recipients of state help and communities were "soulless clones of one another".

But the launch of the "big society", criticised by Tory candidates during the election for being too vague, was overshadowed by doubts about whether the theme was designed to help the government impose stringent spending cuts.

Cameron denied his plans were a cover for public-spending cuts. Speaking on BBC Breakfast, before his speech at Liverpool Hope University, he said: "This is not about trying to save money, it is about trying to have a bigger, better society."

The communities secretary, Eric Pickles, said that "big society" was about getting more for less. Pickles, who accompanied Cameron to Liverpool, told Radio 4's The World at One: "Even at a time when money is tight it is still possible to find different ways of delivering. It is unashamedly about getting more for less. But it is about passing power down to folks so you can start to mould your own neighbourhood and put something back in."

Ed Miliband, the Labour leadership contender, told the same programme that "big society" heralded a return to Victorian philanthropy, with little role for the state. "This is essentially a 19th-century or US-style view of our welfare state – which is cut back the welfare state and somehow civic society will thrive," he said.

Cameron addressed this criticism in his speech, saying it would be naive to assume that if the government played less of a role then miraculously society would do more. Whitehall should help build a big society, which would herald abandonment of the "top-down, top-heavy, controlling" approach of Labour. It was "about liberation, the biggest, most dramatic redistribution of power from elites in Whitehall to the man and woman on the street". He added: "This is such a powerful idea for blindingly obvious reasons. For years there was the basic assumption at the heart of government that the way to improve things in society was to micromanage from the centre, from Westminster. But this just doesn't work. It has turned able, capable, individuals into passive recipients of state help with little hope for a better future. It has turned lively communities into dull, soulless clones of one another. So we need to turn government completely on its head."

Liverpool, Windsor and Maidenhead, the Eden valley in Cumbria, and Sutton in London would be in the vanguard, getting help to set up local projects, ranging from transport to improved broadband provision. Cameron said these places would be big society's training grounds. He outlined the benefits as he answered Tory critics: one move, a new bank (criticised by a Financial Times report which said such a bank could only launch with reserves of about £60m) would use "every penny of dormant bank and building society account money allocated to England".

But Sir Stuart Etherington, chief executive of the National Council for Voluntary Organisations, warned that cuts to charities' grants would undermine Cameron's ambition. "I am very concerned about the tidal wave of cuts about to hit the sector. [They] will have a detrimental effect on the services received by some of the most vulnerable people."

Cameron also outlined three strands of the big society agenda. These included social action for which the government had to foster a culture of voluntarism and philanthropy. There was also public service reform – getting rid of centralised bureaucracy "that wastes money and undermines morale" – and community empowerment, "creating communities with oomph", the neighbourhoods being "in charge of their own destiny".

PM and his bully 'hero'

It is a probably a joke that has gone down well at dinner parties over the years, though it may not be quite so funny these days. David Cameron thought yesterday that he would impress Phil Redmond, the creator of Grange Hill, by revealing that his hero from the long-running children's television series was Gripper Stebson.

"Indeed, Gripper Stebson was one of my role models in life," the prime minister said after Redmond had introduced him at Liverpool Hope University. As a beautifully behaved Etonian, Cameron could not be further removed from Stebson, who was the Grange Hill bully from 1981 until his expulsion in 1983.

"Stebson turned to hardcore racism and picked fights with black and Asian pupils," the Grange Hill website says.

Nicholas Watt


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  • VoxAC30 VoxAC30

    19 Jul 2010, 11:09PM

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  • classm classm

    19 Jul 2010, 11:13PM

    Charity funding is being cut by Councils while the Councillors are awarding themselves big increases in pay.
    Big Society to fill the funding gap which charities used to fill.
    Big Corrupt Society. The public are not stupid Cameron.

  • oldefarte oldefarte

    19 Jul 2010, 11:15PM

    Jesus Christ I've had enough of this old b*ll*cks for one day. Its just an excuse for making more cuts and will bring out the dormant ambitions of every local pushy busibodying nutjob.

  • Winfield Winfield

    19 Jul 2010, 11:26PM

    why does the press allow Cameron to say the big society is for Britain when it is not?. It is for England only and only dormant English bank accounts will be raided.
    Will the money used from these accounts and spent in England attract the consequentials of the Barnett formula and dissapear over the border?

  • salparadyse salparadyse

    19 Jul 2010, 11:30PM

    The reason communities are a "soulless copy" of each other is down to two causes.

    1) The Tory destruction of communities via cuts in the 80's.

    2) Shopping Malls, outrageous rents/rates and Corporations/Chain Stores.

  • lightacandle lightacandle

    19 Jul 2010, 11:37PM

    Just wants to wash his hands of any responsibility and go off and play with his friends in the city. And when this latest wheeze fails who's he's going to blame - all those volunteers he wants to use and abuse.

  • Kay9 Kay9

    19 Jul 2010, 11:37PM

    Yeah, it is about getting more for less - they're saying as much, duh. But that's far better than just keeping on running up debt, which was New Labour's answer.

    As for charities, having worked with and for them over both administrations, I can assure anyone reading this that New Labour - through its desire to control the agendas of charities - did far more damage to the voluntary sector than the Tories before them, who'd just let charities get on with it. And, through that same controlling impulse, New Labour in effect was using the charity sector as a branch of government.

    As for "oldfartge" and seeing this as a chater for "local nutjobs" .. and New Labour was better in what way? Oh yeah, I forgot - state control, illegal wars, ID cards, welching on every election promise made, widening the gap between rich and poor, CCTV, stop and search ... - all great stuff.

  • mogl mogl

    19 Jul 2010, 11:42PM

    So, does David Cameron think that the political parties should rely on volunteers for all of their services, the poling and speech writers and strategists? Should they rely on restaurants and bars and hotels to voluntarily comp their services to that the tax revenue is not reduced by the write-offs?

    Does he think that corporations should rely on "volunteer" lobyists?

    Or that the elected officials should stop raising money and rely exclusively on volunteers?

    Or, does he think that if the activity cannot be monetized to generate revenue and taxes, it is not worth the expense?

    If you cannot afford it yourself, you are not entitled.

  • Talkthetalk Talkthetalk

    19 Jul 2010, 11:43PM

    Broke society more like. Two months after being elected they show their gratitude to the electorate by introducing privatisation by the back door to the NHS by handing control of it to GP's, They won't have clue what to for the most part and will need help from private "consultants". These "consultants" will of course advise them to use as many private resources as possible and before we know it we will all be paying a little bit here, and a little bit there, whilst private medical firms will be raking it in. People have to fight back against this Vampirism because once it has all been eaten up there will never be the money to get it back. Where were these changes to the NHS in their manifesto? How can we expect "people power" from this immoral gang who only ever think about one thing: making the rich even richer.

  • Jfly Jfly

    19 Jul 2010, 11:49PM

    “Big society “ “stakeholder” must every new administration that gets its moment in government start by unfurling some stupid meaningless slogan that even a five year old can see is nothing more than a smokescreen for the abnegation of responsibility used to disguise an agenda to create a workfare type system.

  • devoxbelg devoxbelg

    19 Jul 2010, 11:55PM

    Voluntary local groups are great. But who are they accountable to? The tyranny of the volunteer. No contract, no professional skill, no pay, no discipline, no democracy. At the very least, any voluntary group must have a legally binding constitution, or it just becomes the plaything of any "nutjob". I am worried.

    This is the same Cameron who is against any kind of electoral reform. Big society? Big hypocrisy.

  • HiFlight HiFlight

    20 Jul 2010, 12:07AM

    Over many years and many governments, the third sector has been courted to take on some statutory activities.

    The reason? They are cheap.

    In every case I've come across, the government expects the group to work to the standards expected by the various regulatory bodies and, at the same time, gives less support as 'they don't have all the overheads of the public sector'

    Here we go again. It will be good to audit this in a year's time

  • VincentBlackShadow VincentBlackShadow

    20 Jul 2010, 12:09AM

    That's the Tories eh? A frothy mix of absurd victorian moralising about self-reliance and a properly cynical rip off.

    Only in the debating socs of England's public schools could such ridiculous priggish prating halfwits be engendered. Enlightened self-interest has been perfected there.

    Obviously this Big Society crap doesn't stand a chance of working. It's p*****g in the wind. Mr Cameron must understand that. But the important thing is to be seen to take a stand, for the sake of Angry of Budleigh Salterton if for no one else. The poor buffoons don't understand anything about the economic forces which are atomising the world. They actually believe this 19th century crap might work. A party of destitute Micawbers. And they're running the country. Surreal isn't it?

  • catlady141 catlady141

    20 Jul 2010, 12:12AM

    If you want a right good laugh, check out the picture in the Liverpool Echo of Phil Redmond cringing and grinning as he trots along beside Cameron. Look out Clegg! Cam's finally met someone even more gutless than you!

  • flat flat

    20 Jul 2010, 12:14AM

    hey,

    can i volunteer to run the country then? I don't want to volunteer for a country pub, post office or library. we could save £140k a year. and yes i am a busy body with time on my hands, but that's what big society is about, not the common good, but who's available, for nothing.....

  • thekingidiot thekingidiot

    20 Jul 2010, 12:23AM

    Why stop at volunteers running museums and rural pubs. Anyone fancy volunteering to finish building a school or two, policing the streets, caring for the elderly or nursing the sick. I've no relevant qualifications or experience but I'm very keen.

  • SingingRich SingingRich

    20 Jul 2010, 12:30AM

    This shows how imbecillic Cameron et al think ordinary working people are i.e that they can be duped into accepting swingeing cuts by a snappy phrase like 'Big Society'. The BS is simply a veneer to hide the broken bottle which is going to be applied to the face of those dependent on public services and those who work in them.

    We must organise, demonstrate, protest before we rewind history and go back to a situation of haves and have nots.

  • Mike129 Mike129

    20 Jul 2010, 12:43AM

    I really do not understand the argument behind the so-called "Big society". Most projects require organization and the input of a great number of different people - and cannot be organized by a group of amateurs on a Sunday afternoon, no matter how well meaning they may be. And I strongly suspect that only certain types of people will want to do anything - mainly the middle classes who seem to want to organize peoples lives all the time anyway. What will happen if people fall out with each other, as they surely will? Who will arbitrate?
    This really seems to be an attempt to cover up the lack of government funding for various projects by expecting charities to do the work which central government should be doing. And what will happen if the projects collapse? Who will take the blame - not David Cameron - he will no doubt simply say that it is the organizers fault and the whole project will fall by the wayside.
    I await with interest the rows that will no doubt develop the minute a committee get together for the first time - and who will serve on the committee? Who decides who is in charge?
    I also think that it is outrageous that dormant bank accounts are to be raided. I can well imagine that the courts will be busy trying to decide what to do when people claim the money taken is in fact theirs. Will they get their money back?
    We elect governments to look after us - not for them then to abdicate responsibility for local communities.

  • houses houses

    20 Jul 2010, 12:53AM

    I think The Big Society is a great title and idea for a long-running sitcom.

    A sort of cross between Last of the Summer Wine and The Road - Compo, Clegg et al travelling across a dystopian Britain laying waste to town and cities in a series of increasingly hilarious gaffs that involve as many roles for middle-aged actresses as you like.

    What do you think, Beeb - I'm pitching it - could be a winner. The sitcom, that is, not the Society - that's fucked.

    copyright @houses, 2010.

  • stanleybalds stanleybalds

    20 Jul 2010, 12:54AM

    Jesus Christ I've had enough of this old b*ll*cks for one day. Its just an excuse for making more cuts and will bring out the dormant ambitions of every local pushy busibodying nutjob.

    Thank you oldefarte for summing up the big society in a nutjob......sorry I mean nutshell!

    I was hoping Clegg had kneecapped this one or Cameron had conveniently forgotten. This idea is so lame and flaccid it drrops worse than the warning fag on the packet warning of impotence.

    I don't want any florid faced tory wanker patronising me in my life by trying to 'help' me. Please spare me. They could be worse than Jehovas witnesses!

  • Alok1230 Alok1230

    20 Jul 2010, 1:05AM

    I just read yesterday that the Defence department wants the Treasury to fund the replacements of the Trident and the Treasury wants the opposite. I cannot live with this interdepartmental squabbling and the resulting vulnerability to attacks from outside.

    I need to know which 'man and woman' on the street are going to take the decision about how to fund Trident's replacement and how I can join the process and start collecting subscriptions from my fellow citizens belonging to the big society of this great country.

    I calculated that it would be about £2 billion per year to replace Trident. Like every governtmental programme it will surely need more money. I say about £4 billion per year will have to be collected to be on the safe side. I think the incedental expenditures to collect the amount will be about 10% about £400 million per year.

    If nobody has yet taken the responsibility to collect for this just cause, I would like to offer my service. I promise that I will only keep first £2 million for cooking up the scheme (considering copywriting this fabulous idea) and will gladly handover to the government the rest. Which department(s) should I approach to receive their official blessings to go ahead?

  • AirStavros AirStavros

    20 Jul 2010, 1:06AM

    Perhaps every person in this country who works for nothing should do nothing on a designated day to be announced by the TUC. They wouldn't lose any money because they don't get paid. There would be mayhem. No meals on wheels, no Citizens Advice, no charity shops, no lifeguards or lifeboats. Millions of people keep this country going, and they do so without pay. You cannot force people to volunteer, but the only way to demonstrate how many free workers there are is for all of them to stop.

  • nicko1970 nicko1970

    20 Jul 2010, 1:07AM

    What the hell have we done to deserve this lot, especially after the last shower.

    Can you believe we have to put up with this and what ever else the Bullingdon Massive have in their bag of tricks for another five years before we can have our five seconds of democracy.

  • jhurwi jhurwi

    20 Jul 2010, 1:28AM

    As an American who used to teach political science, as well as doing research in Tudor-Stuart history, I find the "Big Society" label rather confusing. It is quite the opposite of Lyndon Johnson's similarly-named "Great Society" of the 1960's, which expanded the U.S. welfare state and the role of the federal government. It seems more like Richard Nixon's "New Federalism," which sought to shrink the role of the federal government in society by making the states responsible for many programs.
    However, Nixon's strategy involved making "block grants" to the states to spend as they chose, replacing "categorical grants" tied to specific programs. Not surprisingly, most states chose to use the now-unrestricted funds derived from Federal taxation to replace some of the money they had previously had to raise through state taxation. This not only allowed state officials to make themselves popular with voters by cutting taxes, but also allowed them to cut programs they didn't like (such as programs to benefit the poor) on the grounds that there was no money available to fund them.
    Unless I am misreading it, Cameron's "Big Society" proposal seems to suggest eliminating central-government financing for programs without turning any money over to the local governments, leaving it up to local volunteers to man the programs. I suppose this is consistent with England's long history of entrusting authority to an unpaid local elite (e.g. the Justices of the Peace in my period of research) instead of a centralized system of professional bureaucrats, but it does seem to be turning back the clock a century or so.

  • DonaldM DonaldM

    20 Jul 2010, 1:39AM

    Should rebrand this 'Crimestarters' as, not only are the ConDems going to give access to volunteers to work in museums, art galleries etc but they're also scrapping some of Labour's vetting checks as they're considered too stringent and bureaucratic (blah blah.)

    If I was into crookery think I'd be signing up to do some serious 'voluntary work' in the British museum, Tate, local post office etc, no need to pay me, the job satisfaction would be more than enough recompense I assure you, honest. And of course being held up as a pillar of the local community too for my self- sacrifice, what's not to like eh?

  • robbo100 robbo100

    20 Jul 2010, 1:44AM

    Cameron denied his plans were a cover for public-spending cuts. Speaking on BBC Breakfast, before his speech at Liverpool Hope University, he said: "This is not about trying to save money, it is about trying to have a bigger, better society."

    The communities secretary, Eric Pickles, said that "big society" was about getting more for less.

    Erm, spot the contradiction.

  • curmudgeon101 curmudgeon101

    20 Jul 2010, 1:46AM

    Reminds me a bit of the old "There's no such thing as society". for the family /church to step in and somehow create a society -in the midst of swingeing cuts. The fact that these institutions were and still are in freefall makes the tories deluded, mendacious or both. Plus ca change.

  • nabil2000 nabil2000

    20 Jul 2010, 2:02AM

    I think it is proper to raise the issue that some "managers/leaders" such as Mr Dave C here, like to be credited with what they did not create...

    Conviviality is a human trait the Tories and New Labour levelled to the ground...

    Now, it is rather ironic that a Thatcherite wants to take credit and implement something that comes naturally to humans if they are given the chance (tools = proper guidance and leading by example)...

    Being praised for what you did not invent,
    trying to implement it with others' sweat and resources is very disingenuous,
    and in my Scriptures a grave sin...

  • fformat fformat

    20 Jul 2010, 2:25AM

    '...It has turned ... communities into dull, soulless clones of one another...'

    Presumably these 'communities' he speaks of are the LibDem and Tory parties?

  • Mackname Mackname

    20 Jul 2010, 3:15AM

    A frightening thought?

    I have got a bad feeling that this is the last straw for crumbling national unity, which would eventually lead our communities run by some big financial institutes as some separate ‘states’ and could somehow strip us off from so many things that used to glue us together as an independent and united nation.

    What ridicules thought!

    Why am I such a grumpy old man!!!

  • Ben23 Ben23

    20 Jul 2010, 3:49AM

    None of this is particularly new. Labour had a raft of initiatives aimed at providing more localised services and getting various public agencies working together. In my opinion none of it was fantastically successful and generally involved lots of meetings, endless consultations and reams of paper.

    I'm not convinced that what Cameron is talking about is going to be any different. It's bound to lead to yet more consultation documents, boring meetings and as usual the only people who will embrace it with gusto will be local loudmouths and private sector consultants.

    Of course, one big difference is that Labour's initiatives were introduced at a time of rising prosperity and lots of public spending. With the country skint I can well believe that 'The big society' will become a cloak for 'The big cuts'.

  • Libertarian101 Libertarian101

    20 Jul 2010, 3:55AM

    @nabil2000

    It's VERY rare that a politician cuts back and axes governmental departments and spending. This Big society nonsense is not a policy of doing nothing, it will need funding. He may actually end up increasing public sector spending by the end of his term.

    I think he should axe several departments and cut the non essential public sector down to size, unfortunatly this will lead to high unemployment in the north and it may lead to industrial disputes. But it needs to be done as you can't have a public sector increasing in size and a private sector decreasing as you have to borrow more to fund it instead of gaining taxes from the private sector.

  • bb54321 bb54321

    20 Jul 2010, 4:04AM

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  • Finelines Finelines

    20 Jul 2010, 5:11AM

    Are there any politicians who aren't complete wan%@rs?
    Do they attend somekind of MBA for MPs course as it seems almost impossible that by nature we could end up with 600+ identikit morons in parliament?
    Can someone clone Mr Fawkes from his ashes and give him some Semtex this time (oops - I'll expect a tap on the door soon from MI6 but perhaps it'll be the Neighbourhood watch from next week)

  • fortyniner fortyniner

    20 Jul 2010, 6:04AM

    There was nothing wrong with Victorian philathropy. Quite the contrary, it achieved great things. But it wasn't enough, which is why Lloyd George started the welfare state in 1909 with his People's Budget.

    Personally, I'm rather sceptical of Cameron's big idea and what he is trying to achieve. Yes, voluntary effort is a good thing but is by it's nature voluntary.

    Not sure though if it is a cover for the cuts we all knew were inevitable whoever won the election. That's another issue. As a nation, we have consistently aspired after a public sector we can't afford because we haven't consistently created enough wealth to support it.

    People may say that they support paying more tax to support better public services but in practice it doesn't happen. People are whingeing in CiF about the rise in VAT but don't make the connection that without it there will be more cuts.

    As a country we're in a big hole. Volunteering isn't the answer, though by itself it's a good thing.

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