Press the Tories by all means, but tomorrow should be Labour's judgement day

Brown and Darling will play their despicable party political games. What I want to see from Cameron and Osborne is a truthful analysis of the parlous state of the public finances and what they deem necessary to recover from the disaster we face. Voters won’t thank them for playing Labour’s stupid games and fudging in order to get into office after which they will need to take drastic measures. Brown has treated us as fools and with utter contempt, we look for real leadership from the Conservatives.

Perhaps DumbDumb will be along to tell us why we shall all be crying ‘well done Clown’ tomorrow.

Hmmmm….that will be some row to hoe.

As this plays out towards the General Election, we’ll end up getting the government we deserve.

If a dumbed-down, disinterested, ill-informed critical mass of the British population persists in the belief that there is no great problem with the economy and, worse, that Gordon Brown is the man for the future then the nation will enter into irreversible and catastrophic socio-economic decline.

The process is well under way. A Labour government from next spring would seal the UK’s fate … and the great project will be on the home straight towards converting our country into the 21st Century equivalent of the old, pre-Berlin Wall East Germany.

It feels like we’re almost there already from my personal experiences of life from day to day in the UK.

There is no guarantee that we will be told the full extent of the overspend, the PBR will be fiddled to make Labour look better now and the Tories worse at a later date.
That this is the most despicable, desperate, prevaricating, shower of scoundrels ever to have governed this country is not in doubt!
The diversions we have had to endure to distract us from every indiscretion, failure, expenses, cover for the latest whitewash, no truth to even the latest inquiry!!!!! You could go on and on – I really despair and wish that someone in possession of more of the facts than I have would expose them for the charlatans they are. A full list would be a best seller – now there’s an idea for you!!
Without fear I would bet that the PBR now is north of 200Billion and we are still 4 months or pro-rata about another 100Billion short of the full financial year!!
What a bloody mess!
As would say in other comments – get_them_out!!!!!

“But if Labour speaks with such a forked tongue, and acts in such a shamelessly political way”

Do you mean in the manner of ‘Dave’ and ‘George’ when they announced their massive tax cuts for the already wealthy but omitted the truth about how their IHT proposals were to be ‘funded’ ?????

At least this is the last opportunity for NewLabour to change anything before the election. I doubt whether the true picture will emerge though, as so much more has been borrowed for PFI projects and the total bill for that has never been declared. The truth will only emerge if the Conservatives are elected or if there is a hung parliament with the Conservatives and LibDems being the majority. If Labour wins, the lies and spin will continue. Don’t expect the full story tomorrow either, as usual with a Brown Budget, the very devil will be in all the detail in his very small print!

Deel-uded Dave, your comment, as ever, sits as well in this blog as a turd in a lemon sorbet.

Minusabrain: “sits as well in this blog as a turd in a lemon sorbet.”

My not ever having tastes such an offering, I will have to bow to your somewhat more refined palate !!!

Dee-luded Dave:

Well, if you give me your address, I’ll gladly send you one, with my compliments.

Exactly right, Benedict

That’s what I’ve been saying.

Cameron needs to set a sort of precedent, whereby he makes an attack against Labour’s deceit and their brazen abuse of the political system, rather than criticising the detail of Labour’s proposals & providing ammunition for Gordon to attack the Tories with.

Dividing lines are being drawn – gradually – but not the ones Labour are hoping to create.
It’s fast becoming a matter of deceit over honesty, and the more Gordon tries to pull the wool over people’s eyes the more Labour will be damaged.
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brian T
“What I want to see from Cameron and Osborne is a truthful analysis of the parlous state of the public finances and what they deem necessary to recover from the disaster we face.”

However, the problem is,have they even had a chance to SEE the books? Will they even be allowed to see them?
It looks as if the only way is to make an estimate which may be worse than the reality. That might be a good idea as the scums will have to then reply with something nearer the truth!
SHOW US BROWNSLIME!
STOP LYING YOU ENVIOUS FOOL!

Well I see the rep arrived, but had nothing to offer save his sad, and VERY tired IHT BS. So even the most brain-dead apparatchik is feeling a bit bereft of good news…WELL DONE CLOWN!!

I’m votin labour next year cause I fink thems got the bestest policies

Surely New Labour’s already been judged and found wanting?

Its only course now must be to appeal on the grounds of insanity.

dd’s last post I think paints an accurate picture of the contents, such as they are, of his cranium

Dee-Dee’s posts reflect some of labours many failings, education!
Another failing is honesty – cos hees not reely that thik! He just needs a bit of pity –
Just like the rest of them I suppose!!!

Will they include the off balance PFI deals, the borrow now pay later initiatives in the PBR. I doubt it. What Cameron has to do is demonstrate true leadership in his response and lump the blame fairly and squarely at Brown Inc.

He should be honest and rise above the part politicking and say “this is a great big steaming turd” created by New Labour and if “you want another 4 years of this shambles then vote Labour and the British people will deserve the economic Armageddon”. He then offers a cohesive alternative which will produce pain but will enable the patient(the economy) to get better.In other words create clear blue water between Labours by having a big growbn up conversation with the British people. They know it is bad. Just level with them and just say how bad under Labour stewardship and give an alternative to digging the hole even deeper of labours tax and spend brigade of no hopers.

He needs to set out cost cutting in Quangoland , Euro land and Civil service land and Dave Dee’s la la land . He needs to point out Social welfare will now be time bound for the fit and capable not a career choice.

Above all he needs to spell out the relationship we will have with Europe as a sovereign independent nation and not a satrapy of Brussels.

He must ring fence and or increase defence spending as we can no longer afford the demise our capabilities whilst at war. Or for our future as a sea based trading nation.

Anything less and he will have abrogated his duty to speak for the UK and in its national interest

Minusabrain, give you my address ??
I,m not looking for a groomer just yet !!!

I think this will be more subtle than expected. There will certainly be a number of spiteful jabs at the wealthy who run the most productive parts of economy; that will appeal to the traditional Labour voter. There will also be a number of general taxing and cutting measures that will give the impression that Labour has come to its senses. This coupled with the silly measures will be their last opportunity to spin an illusion around the voter.

By contrast, the right thing for Mr Cameron to do is to give an impartial review of the PBR and analyse Labour’s plans in comparison with the Greek economy where the government debt rating has just been devalued below A. Mr Cameron has to bring in the independent views too in order to expose the likely severe inadequacy of the measures and blow away what is likely to be Labour’s last attempt to deceive the public with lies.

Labour is no friend of the working class – immigration policies undercut wages and trade unions, while increased taxes kills small business and encourages capital flight.
I don’t know why people haven’t figured this out, it’s obvious to me. I guess I am getting old, because I remember what Labour policies did to the UK back in the 1970s. Perhaps we should restrict voting to persons over 40, just a thought.

Labour introduces policies to wrong foot the Tories. This you call “shamelessly political”. What do you call it when the Tories do the same?

On current poll ratings Cameron will end up leading a minority government or perhaps Brown will. Cameron has a mountain to climb because Labour have skewed electoral boundaries in their favour.

I do not recall that we knew what Maggie would do until she got in – the wets around her like Gilmour & Prior and Co certainly did not know ! Her 11 years was merely a slowing down of state profligacy. Major revved it up and Blair and Brown blew the lot and more.

50+ years of state spending and the removal of personal responsibility combined with a corrupted banking system have made the UK totally bust. Wealth has shifted from the UK ( and the EU) to those countries who do not have massive welfare states and a culture of dependency. My hope is that S&P and Moodys downgrade the UK’s credit rating to prove that point. If I ran my personal affairs like Brown runs the UK I would have had my house repossessed and be living under a railway arch by now.

But Labour has built a Client State by creating a massive underclass on benefits and a massive and bloated public sector. The latter is run by Labour Hirelings mainly and is overpaid and over pensioned. It is also articulate and influential. Every Quango from the Environment Agency to the Charities Commission is run by the Labour Politbureau. Even Chief Constables who are generally monumental failures are Labour Hirelings.

Labour’s client state – the Banks and Quango Heads/public sector at the top and the underclass at the bottom are united against any real cuts. Cameron’s skill will be to hold on to his core vote and those who have had enough of Labour and to persuade enough of the Labour client state that he can improve their lot too. How he does that I do not know. But I wish him luck !

I for one am just glad that this global recession crashed in at a time when there was a half decent team at the treasury and a strong and economically literate PM. Given the UK’s economic dependence on the City (long cultivated by both parties), there was little that the government could to to avoid taking a huge hit. Top marks to GB and AD for avoiding complete meltdown, and thanks be to god that Osbourne wasn’t at the wheel. The UK economy will spring back and we will outgrow the continentals consistenly as of 2011.

I’ll have ten pints of whatever seldomseen is drinking, please.

seldomseen: nice try, but we know you’re joking. “half decent team at the treasury”? Ha ha ha ha ha. “strong and economically literate PM”?? Oooh, you’re killing me.