David Cameron threatens Lord Tebbit with expulsion

Not for long he wouldn’t.

Mr. Camerons Putsch of EUsceptics gathers pace!

I find myself in sympathy with Mr Tebbit.

Sorry Dave.

“The iron rule of political parties is that urging support for your party’s rivals is a sackable offence. ”

I am a card carrying member of the conservative party, I am voting UKIP because the top two tory candidates for my region are a full blwon federalist and a bench crosser who cares more about Hamas Terrorists than me.

Dont blame me Cameron, I’m one of the ones asking my fellows to give you a shot.

Its asinine for Conservatives to vote UKIP – unless you want another 5 years of Gordon Brown as PM.

Tebbit is wrong to suggest that people SHOULD vote for fringe parties. As someone who is going to vote conservative I resent his remarks

If he said they MIGHT then that’s a bit different. Perhaps he is jealous of the publicity Polly Toynbee is getting.

And as another aside at remarks like ‘EUsceptics’ — if such people (and others) had half a brain when it came to claiming expenses (something they rail against in the EU) they would be sitting pretty,

I am strongly anti EU but for some people their prejudice is a crutch rather than a belief.

“Its asinine for Conservatives to vote UKIP – unless you want another 5 years of Gordon Brown as PM.”
Erm, El Gordo is an MP, elected in General Elections, this is a Euro election, electing MEP’s.

“Tebbit is wrong to suggest that people SHOULD vote for fringe parties. As someone who is going to vote conservative I resent his remarks”
Good for you

“I am strongly anti EU ”
May I ask what “region” your from, because I doubt the PMEPs who top your list are EUrealists

Lumme……..you mean,you mean,Norman may have to, get on his bike.

Once again Garrincha has it spot on, Lord Tebbit would not sit as an Independent for long he has a natural home to come to.

“I am a card carrying member of the conservative party”

and I had you down as BNP.

@Flightpath.

What Conservative activists and supporters are saying is this EU election is exactly the right time to switch to UKIP for this election.

If it drops Labour to fourth and, moreover, tells Mr. Cameron of the concerns his party supporters have about the EUphile way he is taking the Tories, then it can only be for the good of the Conservatives in the long run.

I suspect millions had already decided to adopt Lord Tebbit’s tactic before he spoke today. I can’t imagine that the threat of sitting as an independent will worry Lord Tebbit – in fact he might find it an attractive idea!

Just like Enoch Powell then, who is widely regarded as the greatest MP ever, and greatest prime minister Britain never had.

Well done lord Tebbit.

I am sue the Noble Lord is quaking in his boots, I note however that those other senior Tories who flirt with other parties are promoted, Mr Clarke for example when he shared a pro-European platform with the Labour high command.

Lord Tebbitt has been of independent mind for years, I cannot really see him being scared by the wet behind the ears Cameron.

Lord Tebbit is only saying publicly what the majority of people, talking about the European Union elections, are saying privately.
If the British National Party get more than 10% of the vote or any candidates elected it will be a watershed as far as our current political consensus is concerned.

DOG’S NORM

Sack the stupid old git. He has in the past and will continue in the future to f*rt embarassing stuff throughout the next Conservative goverments. Best get rid now and save a lot of pain later.

I really can’t understand why on earth Lord Tebbit’s in the party? What on earth is he doing staying as the only real conservative in a Social Democrat party hiding under the name of Conservative? If I were Lord Tebbit, I’d have gone a long time ago, seeing Cameron, pontificate, pathetic, party policy.

Cameron will win the next election, but it will be short lived. The growth of fringe parties will be after him and worse still, as they grow and he destroys the UK like NuLabour before, the people will become restless.

thedestructionofbritain.blogspot.com/

The real scandal is the failure of the media to look at the potential consequences of UKIP or the BNP getting a significant vote. There is also the issue of whether the Labour party can survive without the support of the majority of the White Working Class. If the BNP vote is concentrated in Labour controlled areas and is in double percentage points then the Conservatives are home and dry.

The “Chingford Skinhead” might well now be titled, but he always had an understanding of the electorate. He is voicing that which we are thinking. None of the three parties represent the electorate on Europe in particular. Now they have proven themselves to be venal and petty, almost to a man (or woman), there no longer seems a reason not to vote against all three.

Peter51
Why, because I refuse to believe your fiction about the death camps Griffen cant wait to set up?

I was quite clear about the fact that I wouldnt vote for them, my reasoning was just based on facts

I was never a great fan of Tebbit, but at least he sticks to his principles. Cameron is just a wishy washy socialist. It’s quite understandable that he had to read the riot act to Tebbit but it just reinforces my view that the Tories aren’t worth voting for because they aren’t conservative anymore.

Yes but we all know the real story after the elections is going to be the BNP share of the vote but none of the major media groups are looking at this now. I wonder why?

As a Lord does it matter to him, or to us, what party he is in?

Al Hamilton
It matters to the Conservative Party members. I still think Cameron will be PM after the next election but will not keep the leadership for the full length of the parliament.

What to do? Well, maybe reform the Tory MPs and the claims system to the extent that Tebbit – and the rest of us – will give it our grudging approval. And in the meanwhile, well, Norm’s not the political future, is he? No need to do anything at all about him, I’d say. Just warn him privately to shut up and let Dave sort it out, but that if he does it again, he’ll be out. For Cameron to take even a moment to sack him right now, when all eyes are on the errant MPs, would be a typical young man’s tactical mistake.

Its a free country

“It matters to the Conservative Party members.”

Why, he is a Lord, he does not have to take the whip. If Dave, throws him out of the conservative party will it make any difference to Lord Tebbit’s votes?

Throwing him out of the party will only convince more wavering Tories to leave & vote UKIP. So I say, go on Dave be a macho man, throw him out and help UKIP.

Al Hamilton
You seem to be agreeing with me.
Running right through all this is a strange assumption that political leaders need to be “Fuhrers” gifted with superhuman talents. Political leaders are even less likely to be exceptional managers of people or events than leaders from other fields as they are often untested at a high level until they achieve power.
Events will take Cameron on and put an end to Brown’s leadership. Cameron does not have any in depth support in the party so would have to be particularly foolish, even by politicians’ standards, to dismiss Lord Tebbit.

Cameron threatening to sack Lord Tebbit out of the party is rather like the office boy telling the Founder of the company to ‘watch it’
And as any follower of politics should know Lord Tebbit does have a wry sense of humour.
And with the comedy farce going on right now – I mean we are all supposed to be dead impressed that Cameron told them all to ‘put the money back’ And that is supposed to make us feel good .
I would have hoped that the worst ones should have been sacked, or deprived of any office .
But there you are ! The idea is that we are all easily impressed I suppose.
Lord Tebbit is right – A real threat that the minor paries could wreck plausible government is with them now.
Naughty boys made to put the sweeties back – impresses no one

Norman Rebellion or Laughter Point

Shakespeare knew that too much tension would make audiences laugh at the wrong moments and ruin the play.

To prevent this, he inserted “laughter points” to control those moments when the audience could let off steam harmlessly. I see a parallel with what Norman Tebbit has just done.

On Tuesday 12th May, 2009, Norman appeared in the Daily Mail and on BBC Radio 4’s Today Programme, advising people not to vote for the three main parties in the EU elections on 4th June. He qualified this by advising people to vote Conservative in the next General Election and also advised them not to vote BNP. The implication is that he was advising Tories to vote UKIP to shift the Party to the right.

But is this simply a Norman rebellion or some cunning Tory plan? Shakespeare said, “All the world’s a stage, and all the men and women merely players: They have their exits and their entrances; and one man in his time plays many parts” (”As You Like It” 2/7).

Nobody is more loyal to the Tory plot than Norman. He knows the tension of the play has reached boiling point and Tory voters are likely to let off steam at the wrong moment by voting UKIP in the next General Election.

Methinks that either off his own back or with Cameron’s connivance, Norman has advised people to vote UKIP (in the EU elections) because he knows that losing meaningless votes and seats on June 4th is a whole lot better than losing vital votes and seats next year!

Thus Norman is trying to control the precise timing when disgruntled Tories blow off steam by getting them to vote UKIP on June 4th. Come next General Election their democratic consciences will be salved (with Norman’s blessing) and they won’t feel too bad about letting UKIP down by voting Conservative (even if this means devastating UKIP’s momentum once again).

But what’s the voters’ choice: Vote Tory and help the short term aim of ousting Labour or vote UKIP and help the long term aim of breaking our EU annexation? For me there is no choice: It’s UKIP every time.

Democracy in this country is under threat from the very people we trust to guard our interests as citizens. All around us we see examples of the insidious march of individual repression and the effects of ‘creative destruction’ in our society. As individuals we have very few options left to constructively express our disapprobation if we disagree with the way we are being governed, or perhaps object to the convergence of ideology and expediency amongst the main parties.

In fact the only way we can protest, the only way in which we cannot be penalised by an increasingly vindictive and intrusive establishment is to withhold the one right we all enjoy under our current political system, a right which is sacrosanct and enshrined by the sacrifice of millions or our countrymen down the ages, and that one right is our right to vote, or indeed not vote for whom we please.

In this Lord Tebbit is completely right, the only way we as citizens can send a clear and conscise message to those currently in, or who have an expectation of forming the next government that we are done with a system that increasingly divides society and rewards only those possessed of unbridled greed and ambition, a system in which traditional political values are compromised to accomodate the burgeoning interests of business in politics, is to say NO! – I will not vote for you!

Whether we vote for someone else or we withhold our vote altogether is a matter of our own conscience BUT we, if we really care about democracy in the UK, should NOT vote to preserve the status quo.