David Cameron: Resignations may be necessary over MPs' expenses scandal

no kidding, but that would leave no MPs. I spent my day on the phone with the Home Office, who deny receiving my correspondence (http://www.josieg6.wordpress.com) and then the FCO, who received a letter from my MP, and replied, but i never got copies…it seems everyone in Govt is too busy fiddling their expenses to the absolute max instead of trying to help British Citizens who have never committed any crime….
http://www.josieg6.wordpress.com
half the house of lords have convictions for fraud. I don’t …..cos i always tried to do the right and correct thing…and now face charges for asking for help/too many questions, and demanding my Govt do an enquiry…

“Dave has just appeared on Radio Derby and said he doesn’t rule out resignations”

Can we offer suggestions? How about Alan Duncan.

Mr Brogan

You have had your finger on the pulse of this from the beginning. I have admired your focussed and measured comment, both here and on the national broadcast media. Well done.

Oh, and I meant to add that your blog above is right on the money, once again.

Mr Brogan: I assume you were referring to resignations from Cabinet office or shadow-Cabinet positions. Those may occur as sackings and be covered as “resignations”.

There seems a strong case for some resignations from Parliamentary seats. Pigs will fly before any of that lot fall on their swords.

‘…may be a case for action.’ MAY be?! Oh dear…

In his position, I would be giving my MPs a choice: Either go to your constituency party by Sunday night, disclose and explain every penny of your claims and then ask for a vote of confidence – and if you don’t get it, immediately resign as an MP because if the local party won’t back you, nobody will – or have the whip withdrawn [i]very[/i] publically on Monday morning.

More rhetoric but almost certainly no action. That is the problem with the “Profession” of politician they have never done anything but talk.

Cameron could cripple Brown here – all he needs to do is accept ‘resignations’ from some of his shadow-cabinet colleagues (sackings if you like, pragmatist) and also withdraw the whip from a couple of others. The precedent set, what could Brown do other than follow suit? And once started, where would it end? Not with Smith and Blears only – Hoon, Purnell, Straw perhaps? (He hasn’t yet taken any action over the £100,000 Uddin woman, has he? Why is she still a Labour peer?)

If Cameron said what we are all thinking – that there was nothing wrong with the rules, only the actions and judgement of individuals, and he was to set a very public example against the worst offenders, Brown’s government would be destroyed at a stroke.

Hear Mrs. Trellis. Hear her.

‘He doesn’t rule out resignations’ ……….. what about sackings!!!

I realise he has no authority over Gordon’s Cabinet Ministers (and they’ll be clinging on for as long as possible), but he does over the Shadow Cabinet.

Cameron should be spelling out in words of one syllable that any money misappropriated should be immediately paid back or they will be ejected from the Shadow Cabinet and de-selected.

MPs were supposed to claim expenses NECESSARY for their Parliamentary work and not make excessive claims which would bring Parliament into disrupte.

So anything which wasn’t NECESSARY for a job as an MP – starting with a replacement pipe under a tennis court and continuing to extensive gardening …. and the rest ….. should be paid back.

If they won’t – sack them. Whether they are competent or not, if they are dishonest they have no place in a potential Cabinet.

The expenses scam that runs throughout the state sector from it’s lowest levels has been such a part of peoples lives for the past 50 years that everyone involved has become expert in it’s manipulation.

The REAL scandal is the amounts that MP’s claim without paying tax. As an ex-GP who was also paid sideways via expenses the Inland Rev had very strict limits on what they would accept e.g. using wife as ’secretary’ £2500 – one room in your house – some of one car and a bit of another etc. If the same rules were applied to MP’s then they would be hit by enormous tax bills. Just how they backhanded the Inland rev in order to avoid this I should just love to know?

@RuleBritannia

Yes they probably ought to pay the money back – benefits cheats are usually ordered to pay back the amount they have wrongly taken from the public purse – but it’s not an ‘either pay back or be sacked’ situation. They have to go as they have shown themselves unfit to occupy ‘honorable’ positions as our representatives and unable to exercise proper judgement.

meditek -

apparently they passed a special act of Parliament to cover their own expenses. HMRC has to follow the law.

Dave has been reading the blogs, I surmise. We foot soldiers are demanding blood. Giving MP’s a chance to consider their positions before Dave is forced to take an axe to the worst offenders is a good move. Someone who resigns can be rehabilitated, pace Mandelson. Someone who is pushed ends up knashing and wailing in the outer darkness for eternity. Compared to Brown, this is a display of leadership – mind you, compared to Brown……..

Can we PLEASE calm down
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here and remember that there is a bigger issue: that Labour MUST be voted out at the next election, no matter what?

This is NO time for ‘principled’ decisions or Tory sacrificial lambs.
The ONLY thing that would be in the minds of electorate is, a TORY has resigned, but no Labour MP has had to go. So, same old Tories!!

GIVE ME STRENGTH!!
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Yes sack them all -but start with Gorbals Mick! Time for Parliament to find somes couilles! However don’t hold your breath.

Mr Trellis: What a clever idea. Might work too.

It’s a free country: I am glad you wrote “profession” with inverted commas. The word is grossly overused. Being an MP is certainly not a learned profession (that entails a regulatory body concerning education/training necessary before being deemed fit to practise and monitoring future fitness to practise and conduct.)

I POSTED THIS at 04:04 PM GMT ( whatever time that is supposed to be) on Iain Martins blog 10/05/09, and make no apologies for repeating it on this blog. It is, in my view, very, very, relevant and the more it is spoken out loud the more chance there is of Cameron hearing it.

“DAVID CAMERON AND THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY Have been give a chance in a lifetime to show the vast differences between them and Labour. It will need to be strong and effective, if it means removing the Party Whip from some MPs then so be it, regardless of who it is and how high up in the Party pecking order they may be, and that must be only a start. I think that a sizable proportion of the electorate are currently in a mood to hear the bad news, and it is bad, but realise that we cannot carry on in this fashion. Time, I think, for Cameron to remember that last Prime Minister who had the courage to really do “the right thing” regardless of how unpopular it made her. The constituency selection committees should now also consider deselections where appropriate. It must be made clear to the Public that not all parties are self serving and corrupt.”

Dave are you there???

MICKYPEE
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With respect, can you not hear Gordon/Hazel/Purnell saying: “it was serious enough that Cameron had to sack some of his own party”?

Meanwhile, Labour ‘toughed’ it out, kept ALL their people in place, and by the time the election comes, no-one will remember why Cameron sacked his people, only that he felt it necessary to do so.

If we are to get Labour OUT, we must look at what they will use against us.
And I say ‘against us’, because ALL of us, Tory & NON Tory must unite to stop Labour’s destruction.

The public just AREN’T politically aware enough to understand Cameron’s reasoning behind any potential sackings, or link it to ANY principled move.
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It seems difficult to see how they can continue. Really, there should be two sorts of MP – those that didn’t take advantage and can stay and EVERYONE else who must resign. Obviously, several hundred by-elections would be inconceivable – therefore – a general election must be called. A good number of MP’s must be deselected and replacements found.
There is no other way of restoring the authority of Parliament.

As to the so called “speaker”. Who will deliver us from this hopeless clown?

Phil Kean,

“With respect, can you not hear Gordon/Hazel/Purnell saying: “it was serious enough that Cameron had to sack some of his own party”?”

YES I can, and that is exactly what I mean when I say that it will take COURAGE and a lack of self interest. What people want to see is someone, anyone, in a position of authority stand up and put the Nation FIRST. Unpopular? yes, but in the long run it is “The Right Thing To Do”, something that Labour talk about a lot, but never seem to manage.

Now Toynbee thinks Brown should go

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/ma...

Phil -

If Cameron deals with his own people, the press will be camped on Brown’s doorstep demanding he take similar action – it won’t just disappear overnight. The press have got their teeth into this and into Brown – they won’t stop now until they have driven him from office – that’s what happened with Maggie.

“Resignations”?

There should be prosecutions”. says Garrincha

Here Here.

MP’s must be made to realise that they are not special people but just like us and not exempt from the law.

By the sound of the Speaker this afternoon he still doesn’t get it and should be removed immediately.

resurgemus – thanks for the link.

While over there, I noticed a piece on a current Select Committee enquiry into Universities and it was pretty damning:

[The written] submissions, made under the protection of parliamentary privilege, tell a very sad story. They tell, over and over again, of academic standards being deliberately undermined (”dumbed down”) in the interests of public image, league-table position, and student-derived revenue. Academics whose voices had been silenced by the obsessive managerialism that now pervades public-sector higher education in the UK have used the freedom given to them by the select committee to tell the truth. It does not make pleasant reading.

So we’ll add that to the list of Nu Labour failings. A dumbed down school system AND a dumbed down university offering. How on earth does anyone think the UK is going to get itself out of this recession / depression?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/may/11/higher-education-select-committee

Mrs Trellis

agree that’s the way to send Brown on his way, but Cameron is still going to have to offer some attractive policies ( and there’s no money !)

Wouldn’t it be satisfying however if the Conservatives offered to pass no new laws in the next Parliament ? Instead they spend their time repealing the non-functioning garbage passed in the last 12 years and amending the few decent laws so that they work along with the public services.

Mrs Trellis & Mickypee
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I do HATE to disagree with two of the DT’s best bloggers, but I absolutely think it would be a disastrous decision.

PLEASE let me remind us ALL about the last time Cameron showed Gordon his rear end.
Gordon took FULL advantage of Cameron’s naivety and attacked him during PMQs after Cameron had agreed to co-operate.

These people are DROSS,and we mustn’t burden ourselves with self-inflicted wounds.
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Phil – the worm has turned – no longer is the BBC doing Brown’s bidding – if he tried that trick on Cameron again it would backfire on him.

Now there’s a new report on the DT Finance pages just appeared that is another blow to Brown:

Governments and central bankers must take the blame for the financial crisis – not bankers, investors and others in the market, according to a new study.

We have been saying that here all along, of course. And in case you missed it elsewhere, I have speculated that the reason why they (Brown & Co) did nothing about the housing bubble is now plain to see: they were all benefitting from it, flipping property and selling publicly-funded refurbished flats at a huge profit, free from Capital Gains Tax. Off with their heads!

Not only should resignations not be ruled out, but they are imperative in the worst cases, if Conservatives do not wish to be tarred with the same brush as Labour. Discipline and decisiveness with a sense of urgency from Cameron might indicate that he is fit to take over the reins when we are rid of Culpability Brown

Remember?
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1: Ecclestone
2: Cash for honours
3: Gold sell-off
4: Constitution lie
5: 10p tax climbdown
6: 45p, then 50p broken tax pledges
7: Unlimited Immigration / Amnesteys
8: Gurkhas
9: HIPs
10: Pensions tax
11: Iraq
12: Alcohol taxes / pub closures
13: Car tax rises
14: Surveillance cameras everywhere
15: ID cards
16: Speeding fines DOUBLED under Labour
17: Council taxes DOUBLED under Labour
18: We pay highest over-all taxes EVER under Labour
19: Printing money
20: Worst economic crisis since the war
21: Record borrowing, 2o years to pay-off
22: Army deaths / lack of equipment
23: 1 million manufacturing jobs gone under Labour
24: 1 million extra public sector workers under Labour
25: Intrusive regulation, nanny state
26: Land / garden sales taxes
27: Gun & knife crime
28: MRSA
29: Religious appeasement
30: Prison early release / no prison places
31: No new power stations built / power cuts 3 yrs?
32: Broken society

Which of these VERY serious subjects will be discussed over the dinner tables of the UK, tonight?
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I thought I’d go back and look at the government pledges from its 1997 manifesto – readem and weep !

Over the five years of a Labour government:

Education will be our number one priority, and we will increase the share of national income spent on education as we decrease it on the bills of economic and social failure

There will be no increase in the basic or top rates of income tax
We will provide stable economic growth with low inflation, and promote dynamic and competitive business and industry at home and abroad

We will get 250,000 young unemployed off benefit and into work

We will rebuild the NHS, reducing spending on administration and increasing spending on patient care

We will be tough on crime and tough on the causes of crime, and halve the time it takes persistent juvenile offenders to come to court

We will help build strong families and strong communities, and lay the foundations of a modern welfare state in pensions and community care

We will safeguard our environment, and develop an integrated transport policy to fight congestion and pollution

We will clean up politics, decentralise political power throughout the United Kingdom and put the funding of political parties on a proper and accountable basis

We will give Britain the leadership in Europe which Britain and Europe need

There just isn’t the space to critique each one of these items – perhaps that’s something the DT political team would like to do later – but there is not one single point which can be ticked 12 years later. Abysmal.

One interesting issue from the Yougov poll from the weekend. Asked if they would support, as Canada did in the ’90’s, an across the board 20% reduction in Government spending, an overwhelming majority of respondents said yes.
Perhaps if Mr. Cameron proposed this, instead of going along with Labours spending plans, there would appear some clear blue water between the parties? Over 40% of Labour supporters agreed with it. More than half of the LDs and about 3/4s of Tories also.

Phil Kean

I think you’ve done most of the groundwork re my last message!

Phil Kean

I think you’ve done most of the groundwork re my last message!

Some more
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33: Education / A-level dumbing down
34: University fees
35: Married allowance gone
36: Means testing
37: Lowering of homosexual consent to 16
38: Human rights act (disaster for the innocent)
39: EU gravy train
40: DNA database disgrace
41: Bogus marriage laws ended
42: Politicised police
43: 1.4 million foreign criminals in prison
44: Terrorism powers introduced / abused
45: 3% stamp duty rise
46: Fuel taxes
47: Client state
48: Public sector pensions abuse / timebomb
49: SATS / intrusive, meddling, testing
50. No-Win-No-Fee
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Whoever else resigns or is sacked, the speaker must go. Elsewhere on this site he is reported as saying that MP’s expenses need serious change. Thats a bit rich coming from the man who has stood resolutely in the way of change and who has milked the system at least as much as anyone. So lets start with Michael Martin.

Then lets have a general election with constituency parties obliged to reselect or otherwise every single candidate. The public can then judge if the parties are serious about reform.

While we are about it lets have manifestos an obligation not something to be thrown away once the election is over.

I seem to recall that at the last election Blair said he would serve a full term. Lie number one. A referendum would be held on the Lisbon Treaty/ constitution. Lie number 2. There would be no increase in the rate of income tax. Lie number 3 (number 4 if the abolition of then 10p rate is taken into account)

Alongside this the expenses claims are just further proof that we are governed by a dishonest, lying, cheating bunch of crooks.

Perhaps going forward we can demand that a prospective MP should have worked outside politics for a minimum of 5 years, of which at least half must be in the private sector.

No one gets a job running our public companies without experience, why should we put up with being governed by a bunch of amateurs and be expected to pay them more than £60,000 per annum plus fiddles.

Remember it is not the Tories who have been preaching prudence, the importance of public spending and the consequent virtues of crippling taxation for the last twelve years. In any case I see that there is already talk of a sleaze-o-meter once the picture is clear. Something like this is sure to make its way into the press eventually. It will then be closely read learnt and inwardly digested by the public. That will be the time for David Cameron to figure out who should be sacked / told to resign.

Who are the MPs who played cricket?

How much was Alan Duncans hairdo bill?

Example is set by precept.

Here is one way to solve the problem as well as making the best use of the Olympic village.
From 3rd week in August 2012, house all MPs in Olympic vilage apartments. Some work may be needed to make these in to en-suit etc. and furnish these at public expense. This is what largely used to happen in HM Forces and perhaps still does. Meal etc. allowance as per HM Forces regulation. What is good for a soldier and an officer surely is good enough for an MP.
Public transport will be in exellent shape and so transport should not be a problem either.

Phil Kean The public are not poliitical aware Just who are you that makes you so much better than the public.I think when the time comes the public will know where to put thier X

So next time vote for a woman!

http://www.conservativewomen.org.uk/howto_candi...

I used to think my MP was a faceless man. Now I know that he has got a face and it has a snout.

Could Dave demand that all Tory MP’s resign their seats and seek re-election? This would demonstrate MP’s role as servants of the public and at the same time (probably) force a general election. Which he would want anyway. Why not? It’s already a crisis.

Cameron will undoubtably be the next PM come May 2010 but what will have changed by then?
Will we have a big show of rightiousness and ‘clean-sweeping’ followed by a slow but inevitable slide back to where we are today?
Those Tory Toffs are no better or worse , than Gorbles Mick and the Labour scroungers, they simple sound posher.

Ashes to Ashes: Great scene tonight with the Gene Genie rabbiting on about corruption – “no crossing the line” and “an end to corruption and feathering of nests on his watch”.

Bet a few MPs were squirming on their John Lewis sofas whilst watching that

tinyurl.com/qgvj9r

Rip her To Shreds

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone

Whizzzzzzzzzzzzzz!
Clunk!

Am I being too simplistic? Expenses, what are they? Costs incurred enabling one to do their job properly, perhaps. Surely, even somebody who is reasonably unintelligent would be able to discern the difference between a valid claim and a dodgy (or even fraudulent!) claim. So are most MPs utter simpletons or scheming thieves?

I don’t know the specific terms(!) of all the rules(!) but only an idiot (and there seems to be more than a fair few of those) or criminal could fail to distinguish between the real and surreal. In your AtoZ only four struck me as vaguely possible: eyeliner; ginger biscuits; jellied eels(!) and the trouser press (isn’t that from “The Generation Game”?). Anything else was pure greed.

resurgemus May 11, 2009 07:10 PM GMT

Thanks for the link to Toynbee!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/ma...

Phil Kean The public are not poliitical aware Just who are you that makes you so much better than the public.I think when the time comes the public will know where to put thier X

mysay
May 11, 2009
09:07 PM GMT

Well, EVEN after they knew the history of corrupt 60s and 70s Labour/Union mismanagement, and after Thatcher had to drag Britain from the point of Labour instigated bankrupcy to the EXCELLENT economic position we had in 1997, the public STILL Labour back in, for THREE diastrous terms that have brought us to our WORST position since WW2

I rest my case!
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I’m not seeing too many suggestions on how to fix the system.

I fail to understand why MPs should be allowed to claim second home in their constituencies, if the they live outside of the boundaries how the heck can they be representing their constituents effectively?

In addition, no second home should be allowed outside of a 10 mile radius of westminster or closer than 50 mile from the MPs primary residence or constituency, whichever is closer. The primary residence being the family home.

I think Tax avoidance is one area that hasn’t yet been discussed, so much for the Speaker asking the Police to find the ‘leak’ – how noble of him.

How about ask the Police to investigate whether MPs have behaved correctly.

And yes, resignations i would expect from all sides on this one, i think alot of the MPs will not be re-elected if they stay and i think a new fresh crop of candidates will be needed to replace them all.

I’d be happy to put myself forward and i know i’d claim hardly anything..

and dare i add…

I think there needs to be new standards on assessing who should be a politician/ MP, not just ‘a’ lists or friends of friends, actual competence, ability to be a public speaker, none of this selfish duplicity we see and track record.

None of this allowing people to jump on bandwagons because they ‘fit the bill’ no, actually showcasing people infront of a panel and allowing them to argue their case. I think would be fair.

Just seen Benedict on Sky News, well done Sir.

He has promised Lib Dems that they will feature soon so that will be Game Set and Match for all the main parties.

Richard I totally disagree with you that it is time for the BNP. Let’s be serious there really is only one party that can clear up this mess, UKIP. We have a superb Leader in Nigel Farage and someone who knows all about fraud and given the chance, which she wasn’t by the EU, how to clear it up.

I am of course talking about Marta Andreasen, former Chief Accountant at the EU who was sacked for refusing to write off fraud in their accounts. She is No 2 Candidate in the South East and the party treasurer. Someone who walks away from a £150,000 salary and pension because of her principles is to be admired and I would suggest supported.

ruralidiot

What do UKIP propose to do about Islamification and
Demographics?

(50% of births in London now are of African and Asian origin, Muslim population rising ten times faster than rest of society etc)

You could stop all immigration tomorrow but we’ll still become a minority within a couple of generations.

David in Rome

Q’s
“”Brown is a man of iron”, well Q never was good at detail he meant of course “Brown is a man of steal”

Moving Britain Forward

“None of this allowing people to jump on bandwagons because they ‘fit the bill’ ”

Correct. Its called open primaries, its in The Plan

James

You can’t solve the immigration problem while staying in the EU. So out of the EU must be first priority. However, even if BNP got us out of EU AND solved the immigration problem their 1970’s socialist policies would put us back to, well the 1970s.

Al

We’re back to that. You’re an intelligent guy, how can you not see that if we lose the country it doesn’t really matter about economic policies (which can always be altered at a later date anyway).

I repeat my question. What do UKIP propose to do about Islamification and Demographics?

No resignations.

PROSECUTIONS!!!!!!!

James (1)

BNP cannot solve their immigration problem within the EU so they must get us out of the EU to do it. Have they enough votes to do that? I don’t believe so.

You appear to be offering me the choice of Islamification or hard left socialism, I reject both.

Al Hamilton,
It is an ‘open secret’ in London that all three main political parties are drawing up a plan to defeat the BNP. They know that they have been complacent and negligent. Now, they seek to smack down the justifiable anger of white van man and his Mrs.

I never heard of the BNP until recently. There’s something else called UKIP.

The self-appointed kings and queens of the Palace of Westminster imagine that people are as politically cynical and self-serving as they are, but really, most people just want to go about their lives; earning an honest wage or salary; caring for their families, friends, and those less fortunate than themselves which is why the poor or middle class give more to charity than the ‘rich’ who like to grandstand and be noticed for the pittance they give to anyone, emotionally or financially.

Al,

The Palace of Westminster has confirmed most people’s unspoken fear: politics is showbiz for ugly people; the kind of people you’d avoid at school, and at work.

Time to stand up to the bully boys and girls: prosecute them for the rules they made and hide under like a snake under a stone; the rules that are corrupt.

Inland Revenue! Where for art thou? Civil servants: do your job, without fear or favour. We need you now more than ever.

cindy

Could you re post that it appears to have been scrambled.

At the end of the day and the dust settles the House of Commons Authorities do not came out of all of this very well.It is they that either pass or reject a claim,if it was a company you both would be reprimanded.Yes the MP’s have played the system but the most outrageous claims have still been passed.And the speakers performance yesterday shows the attitude of the whole place is cover up and defend.It was the speaker who tried to hide these reciepts,he must look at his position.

Al

Of course we need to get out of the EU before we can even begin to clear up the mess. Maybe the BNP don’t not have enough votes yet to do so, but they are already beginning to influence the policies of both Labour and the Tories in a way that far exceeeds their size. That speaks volumes, as this never happened even when UKIP elected all of their MEP’s.

It’s not just islamification, it’s the higher birth rate of the third world immigrants that is basically dissolving the country. I don’t understand why some UKIP people seem so hostile to the BNP. I mean what exactly do you want that they don’t?

And I noticed you dodged the question again Al..

Ok, imagine the BNP doesn’t exist.. What do UKIP propose to do about Islamification and Demographics?

Correction to post of 11th @ 08.21
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43: Should be – 14,ooo foreign criminals in prison at an estimated annual cost of £1.4 bln.

Sorry.
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Phil Kean,

Two very impressive lists, on which all items were very relevant and that, I fear is the problem. They are all yesterdays stuff, what people are concerned about as we speak, is what is going to be done about the current situation and how are we going to ease the problems of tomorrow?

In my DESPERATION and
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anger, I’m making an off-subject comment in the HOPE that SOMEONE at the DT writes about Britain’s SHAMEFUL police shoot-to-kill policy.

It’s Tuesday, and ALREADY we hear of another murder, BY THE STATE.
THIS TIME? A man ALLEGEDLY carrying a crossbow. So it was deemed necessary to KILL him in order to end the incident?

FACT: At almost ANY reasonable distance and with fairly standard sighted weapons, I COULD SHOOT SOMEONE’S TRGGER FINGER OFF! Yes, also, a disabling shot to the arm, the leg, the weapon, the foot, the hand or any other target of opportunity that would render the victim unable to continue his alleged threatening action.

Watch the American TV crime programmes. The Yanks will go to EXTRAORDINARY lengths NOT to kill someone. They will wait, shoot with bean bags, shoot to disarm or disable – in fact, ANYTHING except to take the life of a disturbed person who, in MOST British cases, is holding NOTHING more than a fake weapon.

This is why British police should NEVER be armed. It would be open season.

Is ANYONE going to publicise this dreadful scandal?
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Mickypee
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My point is, though, that EVERYTHING becomes yesterday’s stuff, especially in the minds of Labour’s ‘limited concentration span’ citizens.

Kneejerk actions by Cameron WON’T be matched by Brown, leaving Cameron dangerously exposed to distorted claims over this issue.

Even today on the news. Labour MPs ARE doing what Tory MPs DIDN’T do: going on TV to condemn the Tories. Such poor quality individuals it exposes them to be.

No, Labour will use ANY weapon. Cameron mustn’t be naive again and hand them the amunition.
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When will we hear about the BALLS Family?

Phil, yes death by what ever form is appalling and armed police are the most frightening spectacle.

Crossbows are pretty lethal weapons, drug crazed motorists are also pretty lethal too.

Your beautiful gentle whippet would not stand a chance against a furious uncontrollable dog either.

There are more and more nasty incidents with crazed people using weapons bought off the net, if you live by the sword , well you die by the sword.
I am sure split second decisions are vital as far as the police are concerned.

My goodness, there are areas of the UK which have become no go areas for anyone now. They cannot even be policed properly.

But back to politics , that speaker must go, because he is the real gorbals bully boy.

Phil Kean
In my Desperation. Yes you have hit on something that needs to be looked at.Shoot to kill has become the norm.These sad people posed no threat to anyone but themselves

Well it’s all kicking off on Guido’s blog again.
Tebbit says ‘Don’t vote Tory’.
tinyurl.com/oabkjc

Cheeky
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He’s right. A UKIP vote in the sham Euro elections would send a message.
However, we can’t risk voting for anyone other than Tory in the General Election, as Labour MUST be eradicated.
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The lack of basic morality in these expense claims is astounding. However, when I heard this morning on the BBC news that a minor newsreader received a salary of £92,000 (yes, £92,000) I have an element of sympathy for MPs with a salary of ~£64,000 for doing a far more arduous and responsible job.

However, it does highlight the overall problem that Govt. funded jobs are in many cases grossly inflated in relation to value of the job. I suggest that a major investigation into value for money of all such salaries.
May 12, 2009 (11:11am)

Mr Cameron was pretty close, but he left two words out.

It should of course have read:
“Resignations IN May WILL be necessary over MPs’ expenses scandal”

If he wants some “leader credibility”, start with some sackings, then see who fails to fall into line.

One way to get most of them to follow the rules in future is for some of them now to serve jail time.

but who is left that can lead our govt adn make fair decisions? nobody wants the job, but maybe now we do, now we realise that there is SO MUCH MONEY TO BE MADE IN BEING AN MP!! http://www.josieg6.wordpress.com wish they werent so busy fiddling their expenses that they could actually Help Me…