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England's Ashes thoughts must go on the backburner with Pakistan looming

When you look too far ahead you start to miss obstacles in front of you. Pakistan pose their own easily underestimated challenge

England's Andrew Strauss keeps his eye on the ball
Andrew Strauss keeps his eye on the ball. Photograph: Rui Vieira/PA

Listen carefully and you will hear a sound unknown on these isles in over a generation. What is this strange, unfamiliar noise? Could it be the cooing of the four Great Bustard chicks so recently hatched on Salisbury plain? No. It's more of a braying, a c0cksure crowing. It sounds almost smug. More like Chauntecleer the cockerel's morning cry. It's that lesser-spotted bird, English optimism. On Test Match Special Jonathan Agnew has been gamely offering bets on England to win 3-1 this winter to any Australian who will take them. The chorus of chuckles at Australia's misfortunes have become one of the sounds of the summer. Sweet, sweet schadenfreude.

It will be hard enough to get through the next 800 words without mentioning the A-word. Never mind the next four weeks. Such is the hold of that series on the public imagination that both Australia and England have found their upcoming fixtures against India and Pakistan are being framed in terms of what they will mean for this winter's contest. Never mind that it is still four months away. Ricky Ponting has been grumbling in The Australian that the two Tests against India in Chandigarh and Bangalore are not the "ideal preparation" for what will follow, while in England the selectors' decision to omit Tim Bresnan and select Eoin Morgan in their Test 12 has been seen as a clear indication that they are preparing to play a four-man attack Down Under.

Both teams should be wary of getting ahead of themselves. Plenty can change in the space of four months. An injury to Graeme Swann or James Anderson, for instance, would throw England's strategy entirely out of kilter. In 2006 England made four personnel changes to their team between the final Test of the summer and the first of the winter, as well as switching the captaincy and reshuffling their batting order.

And lessons seemingly learned these last few weeks will be less use down the line. Anyone who imagines that Doug Bollinger and Mitchell Johnson, for instance, will be as ineffective on the harder, bouncier wickets of their own country as they were at Lord's and Headingley is deluded. The Kookaburra ball used in Australia is harder to swing, and overhead the skies will contain far fewer thick grey clouds than the ones that lay over Leeds. The key factors in Australia's defeat to Pakistan were the deficiencies of their batsmen's technique against swing bowling, and the inability of their attack to find the right length to exploit the movement through the air on which the Pakistanis' thrived. Neither issue is likely to play a decisive role later this year.

The more pertinent point may just be that Australia's second Test against Pakistan proved just how hard it can be for inexperienced bowlers to thrive in unfamiliar circumstance. It seems ominous that of the five bowlers in this English attack only Anderson has ever played a Test on Australian soil, and in his three matches he has taken five wickets at 82 runs apiece.

Besides which, when you look too far ahead you start to miss the obstacles in front of you. Pakistan pose their own challenges, which are easily underestimated. Man for man their bowling attack is more than a match for England's. In fact the Duke ball and the English conditions suit the Pakistani bowlers so well that there is an extent to which England's home advantage will be negated. If Pakistan had followed the advice of Wasim Akram and selected the seven-foot-tall left-armer Mohammad Irfan in their squad, then theirs would surely be the most formidable bowling unit in the game today. Simon Katich, who had more success against them than most, singled Pakistan's quartet out as "as good an attack as I have faced since the 2005 Ashes".

Where England do have an advantage is in the batting, especially towards the tail where Pakistan's bowlers can muster all of a single first class fifty between them. There are frailties too up top: Umar Akmal, who carried the side through much of their disastrous tour to Australia last winter, has found the switch to English conditions every bit as unsettling as Australia's own batsmen did. But he has time to adjust yet, and would do well to watch the wary Azhar Ali go about his work at No3. Ali may be a callow Test player, but he has spent four seasons playing club cricket in Scotland, and knows how to bat in the most miserable of English conditions. Pakistan also look a better batting side for the introduction of Shoaib Malik as a replacement for Shahid Afridi, though they should surely consider moving Malik up the order. Another key will be whether Salman Butt can shoulder the burden of leading the side and maintain his fine form with the bat.

This series should be utterly absorbing to watch. Once it starts, all the thoughts of what follows on its heels should be forgotten for a month at least. There will be enough to hold the attention happening on the pitch, for players, pundits and spectators alike. If England fail to focus on the here and now of the next match then they may find that, once this series ends, that sing-song confidence is not be quite so voluble.

Mars attacks

"We were sitting at the boundary edge when all of a sudden, out of a blue sky, we saw this small dark object hurtling towards us."

Given that they were sat just square of cow corner watching Luke Wright bat in a Twenty20 match, Sussex fans Jan Marszal and Richard Haynes could have been forgiven for thinking it was the ball that was coming their way. But then "it landed five yards inside the boundary and split into two pieces. One piece bounced up and hit me in the chest and the other ended up against the boundary board."

"It" was a meteorite, believed to be 4.5 billion years old and the first to land in the UK since 1992, or so the experts say. Coincidence? The Spin suspects it is time to start picking the World XI to play Mars ...

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  • TheHarry TheHarry

    27 Jul 2010, 1:07PM

    Completely agree Andy. The other day on one of these blogs, people were calling for experimentation against Pakistan, which is absurd. These games are going to be a real challenge in their own right for England. That Pakistan bowling attack is better than anything England will face in the winter. As far as the Ashes are concerned, winning this series is surely the best preparation imaginable.

    Slightly disagree with you on one point though. As time goes by, I'm starting to wonder how irreplaceable Anderson is. Finn and Shahzad are breathing down his neck already. If Onions got fit, I reckon we'd cover for him without too many problems.

  • ThamesSider ThamesSider

    27 Jul 2010, 1:07PM

    On Mars Attacks...

    it landed five yards inside the boundary

    well, if they can't hit Notts's mid-over bowling for 6 over cow corner then we probably needn't be too worried. Although to be fair they do include the pick of the English bowlers.

    Agree with you on Pakistan, though... and I'm not at all sure how we'll fare in Aus, I'm hoping we can win a game while the series is still live.

  • b12simon b12simon

    27 Jul 2010, 1:14PM

    I'm really looking forward to the series against Pakistan. The two have very similar attacks (toothless in the sun, lethal under cloud) and the potential for batting cockups.

    Pakistan have also had much better preparation (with the greatest of respect to Bangladesh of course). We'll end the summer with some top notch entertainment.

  • Officer Officer

    27 Jul 2010, 1:15PM

    An injury to James Anderson, for instance, would throw England's strategy entirely out of kilter

    Really? I think England would only be improved by not picking the most anaemic leader of an attack I can remember playing for us.

    Apart from that, all good stuff. I'm really looking forward to this series. England v Pakistan tests are very, very rarely boring, a fact that we've maybe been a bit slow to realise in this country.

  • tonybond tonybond

    27 Jul 2010, 1:17PM

    You seem to go along with the accepted position of James Anderson as leader of the attack. I'm getting increasingly concerned with this as a working assumption for Australia. As you say, "The Kookaburra ball used in Australia is harder to swing" and in Australia, "in his three matches he has taken five wickets at 82 runs apiece". Might these facts be connected? A pace attack of Finn, Broad and Shahzad may be inexperienced, but all at least have, it seems to me, the equipment to do well on Australian wickets.

  • nickmannion nickmannion

    27 Jul 2010, 1:31PM

    It was in the Stuart Broad article that the most worrying thing was quoted.

    SB saying he got a tip from his county coach in the match he had just played for Notts...this is someone who has played 30 tests and been in the game since whatever age....

    'I was told to just run in and hit the same spot. Try and keep finding the top pf off stump...'

    I mean, stop me if I am wrong here, but 14 year olds are given that advice as it is a very very basic premise for quick/med fast/med bowlers and SB came out with it as if it was a revelation from above...

    What the feck is going on then if he has only just discovered that???

  • Tomsteruk Tomsteruk

    27 Jul 2010, 1:32PM

    I can't see the sense of picking Morgan. His first class record is dreadful, he didn't even look that good in matches 3-5 of the OD series. England already has too many batsmen fighting over too few places. Why on earth try to force Morgan into the side?

    Maybe Bresnan's not the guy to play at 7, neither his batting or bowling are quite good enough. But why not Bopara if they insist on playing only 4 specialist bowlers? He's in form with the bat and proves useful variety with the ball, he's a partnership breaker and at his pace, can bowl a lot of tight overs if necessary. Plus, he's toured in Australia before.

    I know we're not supposed to be talking about the Ashes, but on Thursday England should be picking the team they expect to pick for Brisbane too. If you turn up at Brisbane and lose the toss, you'd better have five bowlers with fresh legs and strong backs.

  • springonions springonions

    27 Jul 2010, 1:34PM

    No doubt the integral figure to England's bowling attack in the Ashes in Swann. I imagine he'll enjoy the extra bounce on Australian wickets, and if he can keep one end tied up as he has done very well over the past year or so, then he'll be doing the seamers a massive favour in creating pressure. I'm still not entirely convinced of the ability of the pacemen to deliver wickets consistently without this pressure.

    It'll be tough against the Pakistan attack - replace Gul with Steyn and I think you have the best three pacers in world cricket at the moment. And Gul is still a very good bowler. Very much looking forward to it, hopefully on tracks a bit better than the one served up in Colombo at the moment.

  • istalvies istalvies

    27 Jul 2010, 1:40PM

    Maybe you should enjoy playing Pakistan and their occasional randomness - could be a dull series, the Ashes.

    Have been musing on the likely teams and not much star quality - probably only Pietersen and Swann that stand out, plus maybe Ponting if back in form. But certainly nothing to be afraid of for England - the Australian batting is inconsistent, the bowling workmanlike. Time to put some out to pasture and add some energy with Smith (scary resemblance to Warne) and maybe Josh Hazlewood (the new McGrath, or new Steve Finn maybe)

    Not so sure about the English pace "attack" either though ... Anderson doesn't really command much respect on Australian pitches, and wonder whether the others (being inexperience) will get overawed. Perhaps Strauss, Pietersen, Collingwood and Swann need to develop a siege mentality and have the others follow?

  • mutleysniggers mutleysniggers

    27 Jul 2010, 2:05PM

    I fully agree with Andy.Arrogance and complacency did for the Aussies in 2005.And did back for England 06/07.I'm sure Staussy and Flower will dampen down the sort of smug rhetoric that Aggers is so confidently parading. Perspective really must be kept; When was the last time that England won a significant away series? And as much as England deserved their Ashes triumph last year, as CMJ has said, it was actually only a very close home series win for England.And with a lot of inexperienced bowlers (in terms of playing an away series in Oz), how will the cauldrons of constant and hostile baiting that grounds like the Gabba and the MCG will be,effect the inexperienced tourers? I agree that Johnson, Siddle and Bollinger will be an entirely different proposal when roaring in with the sun on their backs and tens of thousands of Aussies cheering them on , on hard bouncier wickets that they know so well.I think for England Swann is absolutely crucial,and if the ball is not swinging then a gamble on (even with the inexperience) Finn would prob be worth a shot for the extra lift he'll get.
    I think a drawn series would be a reasonable prediction,with an Aussie win second and an England series win third.
    Lets see how England do against Pakistan,who's bowling attack is looking formidable again.A good strong test for England in a series that should not be seen as a dress rehearsal for The Ashes but as a highlight of test cricket in itself.Test cricket is very exciting at the moment!Think England should win it because of their superior batting I wouldn't be surprised to see Pakistan bag a test or maybe even a drawn series because of their bowling.Their tales are up.England beware.And beware wounded Aussie pride too....

  • playingdominoes playingdominoes

    27 Jul 2010, 2:18PM

    I would have thought Rashid rather than Bresnan or Wright would be the most appealing candidate for an all-rounder slot if they decided to go for 5 batsmen in Brisbane.

    And yes, you would think that Anderson in Australia is the least threatening of our attack. Shahzad is unlikely to get his place before the series, but if he did get injured the attack would not necessarily look worse. More penetration but less experience.

    Very interested to see how the English batsmen go against the Pakistan attack. Big opportunities for confidence building for Cook, Pietersen, Trott, Morgan, Prior, who all need it for various reasons. But down-side is definite potential for some sub-100 scores...

  • jeepster jeepster

    27 Jul 2010, 2:35PM

    It's understandable that we should laud it over the aussies in anticipation of facing their weakest team for 25 years but all the recent series have shown is that the two teams are very evenly matched with England edging it in a few areas.
    Pakistan were very impressive in the field and Amir looks like a world beater at 18, a tremendous boost for a nation mired in internal strife. They also seem to have found a decent captain and their batsmen will adjust to test cricket.
    England could beat both teams but they won't dominate them, in fact Trent Bridge could spring a surprise...

  • qualitystreet qualitystreet

    27 Jul 2010, 2:35PM

    If Pakistan had followed the advice of Wasim Akram and selected the seven-foot-tall left-armer Mohammad Irfan in their squad,

    Mohammed Irfan is seven- foot-tall! What's his pace like? He should get a lot of bounce though.

  • harley26 harley26

    27 Jul 2010, 2:48PM

    I agree with the thrust of this article. Indeed, I don't understand this obsession with the ashes. I've been following Cricket since the early 80s but it's only in the last 6 years or so (since the build up to 2005) that the ashes has totally occluded all other series. This was in the main because Australia were the number one team. In the 80s it was West Indies and Pakistan - if England had beaten WI in the 80s I would have bitten your hand off and willingly ceded the ashes.

    Pakistan are a dangerous side and England's sole priority must be to beat them, selecting as strong a team as possible. I can understand those pushing for Bopara ahead of Morgan but I can see why they're giving Morgan a chance. There are lots of examples of mediocre county form being irrelevent to test success, provided the batter has class and temperment - so why not give him a shot? (Bopara has had a couple of decent goes at test cricket and still hasn't totally convinced against good bowling, e.g. v australia and Sri Lanka.)

    Also agree that it's a bit of a worry if Anderson's our number one man in Aus - without the swing, he's fodder. Shazad and Finn both look promising but Aus away is a tough call without much experience.

  • bushnumpty bushnumpty

    27 Jul 2010, 2:53PM

    Pakistan got thumped at Lords (although they had chances) and were more than grateful when Ponting decided to bat at Headingley. Cannot see their bowlers staying fit for six matches. The batting is flaky and the tail is weak. England 2 or 3-0 for me.
    Get Morgan in at 6. If we are only going with four bowlers we should be able to risk somebody to have a dart at six as Prior and Swann at 7 and 8 are no mugs.
    No point in playing a fifth bowler if he is a trundler (Bresnan) who can't really bat.
    Between Prior and Swann we have a sort of all rounder. Broad's batting is rubbish these days, not a problem if his bowling is up to scratch !

  • Metatone Metatone

    27 Jul 2010, 3:04PM

    Pakistan's bowling lineup is so much better than England's it's hard to see why anyone should be optimistic - the first game is at Trent Bridge! Swing City!

    Also, Pakistan's batting will have taken a lot of confidence from staggering over the line against the Aussies - they'll be tougher to get out after that experience.

    I wouldn't be surprised at all if Pakistan take the series 2-1.

    Pakistan win at Trent Bridge (Swing City...)
    Draw at Edgbaston (Long distance forecast suggests lots of rain - no result)
    England win at the Oval (Least seam friendly pitch, England's batting edge comes back - Swann will outdo Kaneria, mostly through brazen cheek)
    Pakistan take the series at Lords (England typically underperform at HQ and the slope will favour the Pakistan seam attack.)

  • JRHartley JRHartley

    27 Jul 2010, 3:15PM

    I'm really looking forward to this series, particularly for Pakistan's bowling attack. I watched Asif bowl at the Oval in 2006 and thought he was a great in the making. Glad to see that after various team and personal problems, he is finally getting a sustained run of test matches to play in.

    I think England should probably score just about enough runs to win the series, but I'd be surprised if Morgan makes a significant contribution. KP and Asif had a great battle in the tests and ODIs in 2006 so hopefully that battle should help KP rediscover his singleminded competitiveness of old.

    Despite Pakistan's relatively weak batting lineup, I think it's a really important series for our bowlers. Either or both of Broad and Anderson could do with a 20+ wicket series as that is what should should be expected of them now. Both have their moments, but neither have ever really cleaned up in a whole series. Now is the ideal opportunity, and an important statement ahead of the Ashes.

  • TheHarry TheHarry

    27 Jul 2010, 3:28PM

    Metatone: Unless Younus or Yousuf return, I can't see Pakistan scoring enough runs, even if their bowlers do run through us a couple of times. England 2-1. Where are you getting your gloomy weather forecast, by the way? Might have known it was too good to last...

  • domprague domprague

    27 Jul 2010, 3:52PM

    Bopara - the Joe Cole of cricket? The player that everyone demands to make a difference only to find out that they're not that special

    He was humiliated in Sri Lanka and by the Aussies here and scoring hundreds on flat decks against the Windies is not real Test cricket.

    His ODI performances suggest that Morgan has the temperament for the big game and he brings a bit of variety to the line up that Strauss, Cook, Bell and Collingwood lack.

    So what if his first-class record was poor? The same was true of Trescothick, Vaughan, Gower and plenty others.

    Let's have a proper look at him against a good Pakistani attack and see what he does.

  • Metatone Metatone

    27 Jul 2010, 4:03PM

    @ticulcer - record since 2005: 9 matches, 3 wins, 6 draws.

    Of the wins, one was against Australia - a good result.
    The other two were against Bangladesh - still a growing side and WI - a side far from the height of their powers...

    That's from the statsguru... from my memory, they just didn't play as well as they did at other points in those series...

    @TheHarry - My worry is that if they run through us a couple of times, they won't need to score that many runs. As for the weather - long range forecasts are always iffy, even from the family almanac... but I haven't seen the pitch at Edgbaston this year, so I have no idea who it would favour if dry - any thoughts?

    I almost feel sorry for Bopara, because where in County Cricket can he find a bowling attack that will prove he's improved compared to his previous Test performances? Can't really go against giving Morgan a go though - his potential is just huge, he could have an impact like Gilchrist in terms of being able to take games away from the bowling team...

  • cavelier5 cavelier5

    27 Jul 2010, 4:04PM

    I love watching Mohammed Asif bowl - a properly clever seamer from the old school. If he can keep off the extra-curricular stuff then he'll take hundreds of wickets. Aamer looks damned dangerous too, and he's what, 18? I can't remember any 18 year old playing for England ever, let alone one that good.

    But their batting will let them down. If Mohammed Yusuf and Younis Khan come in then then they may be able to consistantly post scores, otherwise they just look too flimsy. Queue them posting massive 600+ scores probably, but I just can't see it.

    Agree about Stuart Broad. He keeps going on about how he should be emulating Glenn McGrath but he continues to bowl like he's trying to invent new deliveries. But he'll learn. He's an aggressive in your face all the time irritant (and not in the good Allan Donald way) but he's one of the best young players in the world so we'll have to put up with it.

  • TheHarry TheHarry

    27 Jul 2010, 4:17PM

    Metatone: Strange to be saying this for an England/Pakistan series but I reckon dryer pitches would favour England. Kaneria was really poor against Australia whereas Swann is on the crest of a wave. If it stays dry, it might also encourage England to have another look at Shahzad's reverse-swing. Wonder if Rashid will get a look in? He's quietly having a pretty remarkable season for Yorks, averaging 50+ with the bat in addition to being the leading CC Division one wicket taker. I get the feeling the selectors just want to let him be this season after the disappointments of last winter. But it's not impossible that he could play as a genuine all-rounder at some point, which would take the pressure off his bowling.

  • ticulcer ticulcer

    27 Jul 2010, 4:26PM

    @metatone: Memories can be deceptive. My memory is of the draws being England not quite managing to force home huge advantages due to the wicket getting flatter and flatter as the match wore on. Sri Lanka 06 (Freddie bowling himself to injury), South Africa 08 (Bell 199) etc. They also won a lot of games there in the early 00's before losing the 05 Ashes test.

  • MichaelVaughanMyLord MichaelVaughanMyLord

    27 Jul 2010, 4:31PM

    From memory England have lost 3 test matches at Lord's since 2000, v Australia in 2001 & 2005 and v SA in 2003. I think this reputation of Lord's as a place visting sides like to visit needs revising, if anything it is now England's stronghold, along with the Oval (I can only think of 1 England Test lost there since 2000, v Australia in 2001).

    Anyhoo I can't wait for Thursday. It promises to be a thorough examination of batting technique, but as other have commented I can't see Pakistan piling on the runs. Those with tickets for day 5 of any Test may be disappointed. I like what I saw of Shazad against Bangladesh, I'm not sure Finn has benefited from his strengthening thingy though. Expecting big things of Broad too, he looks like he might be our main strike bowler what with Jimmy losing his mojo.

  • FAFENG FAFENG

    27 Jul 2010, 5:31PM

    In their last 16 test innings Pakistan have crossed 300 only four times and 400 only once (that too with Yousuf and company). Pakistan's current top six struggles to average >33 in tests. In the last four innings their highest innings score was 289! In the two matches against Australia their batting capitulated to the "unplayable" stylings of Shane Watson and the "Ozzie Murali" Marcus North (neither of whom will be selected for the winter Ashes). And Australia came within a whisker of winning at Headingley.

    Pakistan have a lethal bowling attack, only. That alone cannot win test matches. It is improbable that England, in four tests, will collapse for less than hundred more than once. But it is very likely that Pakistan would not be able to score more than 250 in eight innings.

    England should experiment against Pakistan!

  • mutleysniggers mutleysniggers

    27 Jul 2010, 5:47PM

    Fafeng;

    Agree that Pakistan batting will struggle to post competitive totals against this good England bowling attack.Though do think that their dangerous bowling will probably win them one test.
    Watson has been Oz's most consistent batsmen in recent times and has cemented the openers spot, and he picks up wickets too.The closest thing to a genuine all rounder Oz have,he will certainly be playing against England this winter.North is proving to be a usefull "go to" spinner and has been consistently picked at number five for Australia.I think you'll find they'll both be playing.

  • Graem Graem

    27 Jul 2010, 5:54PM

    To gauge how important Anderson is to England seam attack, try putting together any three seam bowlers without using his name and ask yourself if their Test record/experience justifies England being confident for the Pakistan series;

    Broad, Finn, Shahzad?

    Broad, Bresnan, Finn?

    Broad, Finn, Bresnan?

    This series is very important for Finn, Shahzad and Bresnan, to establish Test credibility against a Test side other than Bangladesh.

  • Graem Graem

    27 Jul 2010, 6:00PM

    Morgan fans argue that good 1st class stats are not necessary for a player to make it at Test level.

    In truth, they are as important as ODI stats in my view.

    ODI success with the bat is no guarantee for Test success, just ask Michael Bevan and JP Duminy.

  • Officer Officer

    27 Jul 2010, 6:03PM

    To gauge how important Anderson is to England seam attack, try putting together any three seam bowlers without using his name and ask yourself if their Test record/experience justifies England being confident for the Pakistan series;

    The inexperience of others is not an excuse to keep on picking a player who only performs when everything, and I mean everything, is going his way. How many caps did the seam attack that just bowled Australia have for 88 have between them? Anderson and Cook can surely not afford another poor series. Yes, we should have been looking at genuine alternatives to both much earlier (Cook should not have gone to South Africa) but all of Anderson's 'experience' seems to add up to being a wicket-taker when there's a green pitch (in northern England or New Zealand) with a covering of clouds in the sky. All of which leads me to conclude that he's not very important to England's chances at all.

  • GreatPathan GreatPathan

    27 Jul 2010, 6:06PM

    I think the Pakistani batsmen will take huge confidence from the win against Australia. A lot depends on Butt and Farhat at the top of the order and Umar Akmal but I have the feeling that the Pakistani batsmen will find the English bowling attack easier to handle than the Aussie one. Thats my opinion.

    However, I think the English batting will struggle against the Pakistan seamers because there is no let up in the pressure - the pacemen are always trying to take wickets. Danish Kaneria needs to come good, but I think he should be replaced by Ajmal (particularly as the great leggie Mushtaq Ahmed is currently England's spin bowling coach).

  • TheHarry TheHarry

    27 Jul 2010, 6:06PM

    Graem; But brilliant first class stats are no guarantee either. Ask Michael Vaughan. Or Mark Ramprakash. Morgan's a punt. But he's an educated one, and a very good one in my view.
    Oh, and if Onions can get fit, how does Broad, Finn, Onions sound? With Shahzad 'on the bench'? Pretty good, I reckon. I'm not saying Jimmy shouldn't be on the plane but he shouldn't be assumed to be irreplacable either.

  • Graem Graem

    27 Jul 2010, 6:13PM

    Onions?

    Good bowler. Test record? Not much of an improvement on the rest.

    As I said before, this series is a great opportunity for a number of England seamers to make a Test reputation.

  • hblove hblove

    27 Jul 2010, 7:11PM

    "Have been musing on the likely teams and not much star quality - probably only Pietersen and Swann that stand out, plus maybe Ponting if back in form." (istalvies)

    oh! lordy, lord! one all time great 'might' provide star quality....along with one of the most overhyped players around and one above par spin bowler who's had a good year and a bit. ponting will be thrilled to be classed in such exalted company. also, not sure how a better batsman by far than pietersen - pup - is missed out so conveniently.

    keep them coming.

  • dirkgently dirkgently

    27 Jul 2010, 7:18PM

    Metatone

    Pakistan's bowling lineup is so much better than England's it's hard to see why anyone should be optimistic - the first game is at Trent Bridge! Swing City!

    Also, Pakistan's batting will have taken a lot of confidence from staggering over the line against the Aussies - they'll be tougher to get out after that experience.

    I wouldn't be surprised at all if Pakistan take the series 2-1.

    Pakistan win at Trent Bridge (Swing City...)
    Draw at Edgbaston (Long distance forecast suggests lots of rain - no result)
    England win at the Oval (Least seam friendly pitch, England's batting edge comes back - Swann will outdo Kaneria, mostly through brazen cheek)
    Pakistan take the series at Lords (England typically underperform at HQ and the slope will favour the Pakistan seam attack.)

    The first Test might be at Trent Bridge, but England have picked two Notts bowlers, Broad & Swann in addition Anderson will swing the new ball.

    Then there is the strength of the English Tail; Swann, Broad, Anderson & Finn is more potent batting wise than Asif, Ameer, Gul & Kaneria.

    Remember this is the side that went and drew in South Africa and is a very confident, experienced side. I expect Pakistan will challenge and push England all the way, however I expect England to win the series.

  • goodoldsusexbythesea goodoldsusexbythesea

    27 Jul 2010, 7:29PM

    With Pakistan on a high after beating Australia, the 1st test is the key to the series. If Pakistan win the first one they could be very difficult to stop, however if England take the honours I would expect them to win 4-0 barring bad weather.

    Concur with previous posters concerns regarding Jimmy anderson, I really question whether he is the man to lead the attack in Australia given his overseas record.

    The Kookaburra ball goes soft and doesn't swing after 15/20 overs. Why is this ball still being used? Test matches are far more thrilling with a Duke ball where there is an even contest between bat and ball throughout the balls lifespan.

    Matches with innings totals of around 350/400 are so much more exciting than 670/5 declared. Flatter/covered pitches coupled with the Kookaburra ball don't help the bowlers in any way at all.

  • safeasmilk safeasmilk

    27 Jul 2010, 7:42PM

    Matches involving Pakistan seem almost impossible to predict apart from two things:
    1) At some point the bowlers will do really well.
    2) At some point the batsmen will do really crap.
    Sounds like some exciting cricket in store to me.

    Am looking forward to seeing Shahzad - if (if!) he can keep free of injury looks like he might be the real deal.

    As for Morgan - he deserves a go. Bopara as first reserve.

  • Tomsteruk Tomsteruk

    27 Jul 2010, 8:09PM

    domprague

    27 Jul 2010, 3:52PM

    Bopara - was humiliated in Sri Lanka and by the Aussies here and scoring hundreds on flat decks against the Windies is not real Test cricket.

    Morgan hardly filled his boots on a flat track against Bangladesh. At least Bopara did score some runs.

    His ODI performances suggest that Morgan has the temperament for the big game

    ODI is not "real test cricket" either. And though he played well in the first 2 games against Australia, once the Aussies brought Tait into the team suddenly Morgan stopped looking so good. He's weak against quality, fast bowling.

    and he brings a bit of variety to the line up that Strauss, Cook, Bell and Collingwood lack.

    Variety? Isn't that what Pietersen's for? I don't give two hoots about variety. Runs, and lots of them, that's all that counts.

    So what if his first-class record was poor? The same was true of Trescothick, Vaughan, Gower and plenty others.

    The point is that there's no evidence to suggest Morgan might be any good at test cricket. By all means give him a game or two against Bangladesh or NZ, but don't chuck him in at the deep end at the gabba, for heaven's sake.

    Let's have a proper look at him against a good Pakistani attack and see what he does.

    My prediction is he'll fail. Badly. Let's hope I'm wrong.

  • windbag windbag

    27 Jul 2010, 11:22PM

    Are England going to prepare for the first Test in Brisbane, or are they, like all visiting teams seem to do these days, going to turn up in australia five minutes before the first Test and gift it to australia?

  • Cameldancer Cameldancer

    27 Jul 2010, 11:47PM

    Windbag - I've heard word they have at least two warm-up matches, and I hope this is correct. Lack of preparation did for us last time.

    Although I'd prefer a five man attack, all things being equal, there isn't really a fifth bowler available with sufficient batting prowess. If Bresnan were averaging 40+ with the willow he'd be worth a go, but as it is, his batting isn't good enough to cover up his military medium bowling, which on Aussie tracks will be scattered to all parts.

    Four bowlers it is then.

    Morgan? Worth a punt against Pakistan at least. If he doesn't work out, by then Bell will be fit again and, assuming Trott has any kind of form at 3, Bell goes in at 6 where he is most effective.

  • Knaphillian Knaphillian

    28 Jul 2010, 12:13AM

    @ Cameldancer & Windbag

    Yes - we are having a longer warm up period this ashes - thank christ.

    However I will go to my grave saying that what REALLY cost us in the last ashes (despite many other failings) was losing Tres, Vaughan, Jones and making Freddie captain. However as this is totaly unprovable it remains just my opinion.

    World XI V Mars - What ever we do we need to make sure we hold our catches as from my memory as a child

    "the chances of anything coming from Mars are a million to one they say"

  • Galactus Galactus

    28 Jul 2010, 12:37AM

    Posted this back in early June

    Shahzad could turn out to be the partnership breaker and old ball menace that Simon Jones was. Hope him and Finn are in the team during the Pakistan series to get a look at them against stronger opposition. Ideally, I'd like to see an attack of Anderson, Broad, Finn, Shahzad and Swann against Pakistan as it covers all bases and provides further testing ground. But, of course, then we're back to the four or five attack debate....

    The only thing I've changed my mind about is the inclusion of Jimmy. He may get a few wickets in this series thanks to favourable conditions but I'm increasingly worried about his ability to get wickets in Aus. Shit, Just realised I've mentioned the A word. Sorry, Andy.

  • dirkgently dirkgently

    28 Jul 2010, 12:37AM

    Tour Fixtures

    Western Aust v England XI at Perth
    Nov 5, 2010
    South Aust v England XI at Adelaide
    Nov 11-13, 2010
    Australia A v England XI at Hobart
    Nov 17-20, 2010
    1st Test: Australia v England at Brisbane
    Nov 25-29, 2010

  • windbag windbag

    28 Jul 2010, 1:57AM

    Looks a good warmup.

    My prediction for The Ashes is that I will be as exasperated with Mitchell Johnson (and his loopy mother) as I was when he was bowling in England. Just thinking about him now is annoying me.

  • Cameldancer Cameldancer

    28 Jul 2010, 2:29AM

    Mizrahi - that's the worst case scenario obviously, and would probably involve putting Bell back at 3. Said it before (and hope I don't need to say it in four months' time) that Bell is not a number 3. We don't have anyone else in that spot, so I really hope Trott comes good.

    This series will be a good one to look at the composition of the bowling attack and see who makes the grade. Swann, Broad and Anderson are probably nailed on, but I would like us to be certain which of Shahzad or Finn makes our best XI by series' end.

    Dirk - thanks for the Strayan warm-up info. One day, three day, four day vs the A side is much better than last time. I predict we'll lose one of those and the press here will go into "maximum gloat" mode, but it may be worth it. My only concern is that none of those tracks are likely to resemble Brisbane. Hobart and Adelaide are generally slow tracks, and the Perth game is only one day.

  • Cameldancer Cameldancer

    28 Jul 2010, 2:36AM

    Knaphillian

    However I will go to my grave saying that what REALLY cost us in the last ashes (despite many other failings) was losing Tres, Vaughan, Jones and making Freddie captain. However as this is totaly unprovable it remains just my opinion.

    You're right of course, esp re Freddie as skipper, but the short warm-up didn't help.

    Btw - would that be Knaphill as in Woking, sir?

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