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  • antipepp antipepp

    23 Jul 2010, 5:05AM

    Maybe the bowler is bowling backwards, over his own shoulder?

    Ignoring the stumps,

    1st is a no ball
    3rd is legal

    2nd - I can't remember whether it's the front or back, or both, or neither, that are allowed off the pitch.

  • Graem Graem

    23 Jul 2010, 9:28AM

    1 is a no ball

    2 is legal
    Watch Mike Yardy bowl to see his front foot outside the return crease

    3 must be legal
    Fast bowlers may slide, Spinners will often pivot to leave their foot out, as with the old back foot law, when bowlers often dragged their toe over, umpires are not able to observe the actual point of ball release if they are looking at a bowlers feet.

  • saintlymark saintlymark

    23 Jul 2010, 11:48AM

    Number 1 is obviously a no ball surely?

    Number 3, if I remember correctly in the days of the back foot no ball rule sliding was not allowed. With the front foot it has to land with some part of it behind the crease, but can then slide. So thats legal.

    Number 2 is a trickier one. Logic says to me that the back foot being outside the pitch crease would be less unfair than the front foot going wider than the pitch? So logic would say to me that that ball is a noball. But I could be wrong.

  • Graem Graem

    24 Jul 2010, 7:20AM

    saintlymark
    23 Jul 2010, 11:48AM

    Number 3, if I remember correctly in the days of the back foot no ball rule sliding was not allowed. With the front foot it has to land with some part of it behind the crease, but can then slide. So thats legal.

    You remember incorrectly.

    In the days of the back foot no ball rule, bowlers practised landing their back foot behind the line and then, remaining in contact with the ground, sliding their toe as they continued forward. The result was that they were able to send the ball down at the batter from about 18 yards. This became so common place in the 1950s and 60s that the no ball rule was changed from back to front foot.

    It was argued that that these bowlers, who dragged their back foot were cheaters and that they should be no-balled.

    One notable proponent of this technique was F S Truman who used it effectively to gain 307 Test wickets. One wonders how many less he might have got if he had bowled within the spirit of the game as well as within the laws.

    Puts the whole Murali cheating chucker debate into perspective.

  • Spielfuhrer Spielfuhrer

    24 Jul 2010, 10:47AM

    18 yards? Nonsense.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4QrIdBG1yM

    One wonders how many wickets Murali would have taken and at what cost if he hadn't been allowed to throw his doosra for 15 years.

  • calminthestorm calminthestorm

    24 Jul 2010, 9:51PM

    1. No ball. Front foot.

    2. Good ball. Only the BACK foot needs to be within the return crease I think. So long as the front foot is behind the popping crease then it's a legal delivery. Until, as someone pointed out, this 90mph Curtly Special flies away for 4 wides!

    3. Good ball. The foot must land with some part of it behind the line. If it moves forward then it doesn't matter. In saying that as part of the back foot is behind the bowling crease, is that a no-ball?

  • EastFinchleyite EastFinchleyite

    26 Jul 2010, 11:57AM

    IAEFRTFM.

    Working on the basis that the lower line is the bowling crease and the upper line is the popping crease (and ignoring the duff illustration)

    From the Lord's website Law 24

    http://www.lords.org/laws-and-spirit/laws-of-cricket/laws/law-24-no-ball,50,AR.html

    5. Fair delivery - the feet
    For a delivery to be fair in respect of the feet, in the delivery stride
    (i) the bowler's back foot must land within and not touching the return crease.
    (ii) the bowler's front foot must land with some part of the foot, whether grounded or raised, behind the popping crease.
    If the umpire at the bowler's end is not satisfied that both these conditions have been met, he shall call and signal No ball.

    My interpretation of these examples:

    1. No ball (ii) above
    2. OK Ball . The back foot is OK. The front foot is just outside the return crease but as these are 4ft 4ins each side of the centre line of the middle stumps, and the popping crease extends to 6ft each side of the same line, the front foot has plenty of room (1ft 8 ins) to be in ground. See Law 9.
    3. OK ball. The bowlers front foot has landed inside the popping crease. Whether or not it slides out is irrelevent. It has landed OK.

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