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Politics live blog – Monday 5 July 2010

• Nick Clegg announces electoral reform plans
• Ministers to announce £1bn of new spending cuts
• Strike call over threat to public sector redundancy terms
• Read Andrew Sparrow's lunchtime summary

Whitehall in central London. Photograph: Paul Owen.
Whitehall in central London. Photograph: Paul Owen

4.57pm: Here's an afternoon summary.

Nick Clegg has launched the process which will lead to a referendum on electoral reform taking place next year. The referendum (set for 5 May 2011) will be included in a bill that will also make provision for a boundary review equalising the size of constituencies and cutting the size of the Commons from 650 to 600 at the time of the next election. Clegg said that he wanted the next election to be fought on the new boundaries using AV. But he faces strong opposition from a coalition of MPs committed to first-past-the-post (mostly Tories) and Labour MPs opposed to the boundary review.

But the Electoral Commission has not endorsed the plan to hold the referendum on the same day as the Scottish and Welsh elections. Several MPs criticised this aspect of Clegg's plans, often on the grounds that differential turnout in Scotland and Wales might make the overall result unfair. The Electoral Commission is not going to say whether or not it supports the timing until the government has published its bill. But a spokesman has just told me it can see "advantages and disadvantages" in holding the referendum on 5 May 2001.

Clegg also announced a partial climbdown on the coalition plans for fixed-term parliaments. The government will legislate to fix 7 May 2015 as the date for the next general election. But the proposal to create a law saying that there will be no general election unless 55% of MPs vote to over-ride the fixed-term parliament legislation has been revised. Clegg confirmed that a majority of MPs would still be able to pass a vote of no confidence and he said that if a new government could not be formed within 14 days of a successful no confidence vote, an election would be called. But, in other circumstances, two thirds of MPs would have to vote for a dissolution of parliament, Clegg said. (See 3.46pm)

Michael Gove, the education secretary, has just announced the Building Schools for the Future projects covering nearly 700 schools will be cancelled with immediate effect. In a statement, he also announced a review of all capital spending in schools. Ed Balls said it was "a black day for our country's schools".

Danny Alexander, the chief secretary to the Treasury, has announced spending cuts worth £1.54bn. He said that although these commitments were made by Labour, the money was not available. (See 4.37pm)

4.50pm: Here's some reaction to the Clegg statement.

This is from Alexandra Runswick, the deputy director of Unlock Democracy.

Unlock Democracy welcomes confirmation that the prime minister's power to choose the date of the election is finally being consigned to history. Fixed term parliaments are an important rebalancing of power from the executive to parliament. These new proposals are stronger than those initially announced and far more likely to stand the test of time. It is good to see the government listening and engaging constructively.

We welcome this historic announcement and look forward to actively campaigning for the abolition of the outdated first past the post system. After weeks of speculation, the public can now look forward to a long overdue debate about our electoral system and the chance to change to a system which gives them more choice at the ballot box.

And this is from Ashley Dé from the Electoral Reform Society.

The worst kept secret in Westminster is fantastic news for anyone interested in rebuilding trust in politics.

On May 5th 2011, and for the first time in our history, the people expected to use the voting system to elect their parliament will have the chance to change it. We have MPs enjoying power without any real mandate and millions of voters who've never made a difference in election after election. It's time we turned the page on the politics of the 19th Century and this is that chance.

Our decrepit system has consistency failed the public, so it's fitting that its fate rests with the judgement of the British people. This is their chance to make first-past-the-post history.

And this is from Andy May, a spokesman for Take Back Parliament.

Tory back bench dinosaurs are making a hypocritical attempt to shut down the referendum vote.

Insisting on at least 40% of registered voters having to vote yes before a bill is passed is absurd. Only one in twenty MPs would have been elected to parliament had this rule been used in the general election.

Supporters of the No campaign are desperate to wreck the referendum from the start and frustrate the democratic will of the people. The public deserves a real choice on a fairer voting system.

4.42pm: The Liberal Democrats have just announced that John Sharkey will chair the Lib Dems' Fairer Votes campaign. Sharkey is a former joint managing director of Saatchi & Saatchi who has worked for the party before.

4.38pm: Back in the Commons, Julian Huppert, a Lib Dem MP, says he can't understand the opposition to AV. All parties in the Commons use some form of preferential voting in their internal elections, he says. And some MPs were elected using preferential voting systems until 1950. Huppert is referring to the university seats (which used STV).

4.37pm: Nick Clegg is still delivering his statement, but I'm going to break off because the Treasury has just issued the written ministerial statement from Danny Alexander. He is cutting spending programmes worth £1.54bn. Education is losing £1bn, business £265m, communities £220m and the Home Office £55m. These programmes were due to be funded either through "end year flexibility" (a Treasury rule that allows underspending to be redistributed) or from the reserve. Alexander said that it was "highly unrealistic" to expect the underspending to release enough money and that there was not enough money in the reserve to make up the difference.

Alexander said:

The previous government committed to spending money it simply did not have, but this coalition government has taken action to address this serious situation. The decisions have not been easy, but the understanding and cooperation of my cabinet colleagues has enabled us to act swiftly to ensure that the nation can live within its means.

The reality is that these unfunded spending promises should never have been made, because the money was never there to pay for them. We did not make this mess, but we are cleaning it up.

4.19pm: Cathy Jamieson, Labour, asks if the government has consulted the Scottish government about the date of referendum. Clegg says it will be consulted, implying that it has not yet been formally asked for its view. Clegg says the government believes in telling parliament first.

4.18pm: Frank Dobson says he has 86,000 electors in his Holborn and St Pancras constituency. It is the sixth largest constituency in the country. But he is aware that many people are not on the register. What will the government do about it?

Clegg says Labour did nothing to address this problem when they were in power. But if he can rectify the problem, he will.

4.09pm: Chris Bryant, the Labour former minister, asked if the cut in the number of MPs would be followed by a cut in the number of ministers in the Commons. Clegg didn't address the point in his reply. Christopher Chope, a Tory backbencher, tried again to get him to answer, but Clegg just made a broad point about MPs still being able to hold the executive to account.

4.04pm: David Davis, the Tory backbencher, has queried the decision to hold the referendum on 5 May 2011. He said he was not worried about voters not being able to understand the question. He was worried about "differential turnout" (because the turnout may be higher in Scotland and Wales). Clegg dismissed the charge. But a few minutes later Bernard Jenkin, another Tory backbencher, rose to press the point again.

4.00pm: Charles Kennedy, the former Lib Dem leader, has just asked a question. Kennedy is thought to be very sceptical about the coalition, but he has said little about his reservations in public. When he got to his feet, we thought he might take a swipe at Clegg. But he didn't. He just asked a technical question about constituency size.

3.59pm: Clegg is replying now. He starts with a tribute to the work Labour did in its early years on constitutional reform. But the consensual tone doesn't last long. He's now accusing Straw of being "misleading and patronising" in what he said about the dangers of the AV referendum being hold on the same day as the Scottish and Welsh elections. And he ends with a broadside against Labour.

Live blog: quote

Is the Labour party a party of progress or of stagnation? Is it a party that stands for something, or does it just stand against everything? Is the Labour party in favour of change or is it just in favour of itself?

Jack Straw Jack Straw. Photo: PA

3.52pm: Jack Straw is responding for Labour. He says that the plans to allow for an election 14 days after a vote of no confidence, if no new government can be formed, represents a U-turn.

On AV, Straw says Clegg used to call it a "miserable little reform".

Straw says Labour supports voters being allowed a vote on AV. But that will not be used as "cover" for proposals in the same bill changing the boundaries of constituencies and cutting the number of MPs.

The need for constituencies to be the same size is already set down in statute, he says.

Of the 10 largest constituencies, six are Labour. And of the 10 smallest, only three are Labour. (Generally Labour constituencies have fewer votes, which is why the Tories complain that more votes are needed to elect a Tory MP than a Labour MP.)

Straw also complains that Clegg wants to redraw boundaries without taking account of the 3.5 million people who are not on the electoral register.

On the call to cut the number of MPs, Straw says the international comparisons used by Clegg are "tendentious in the extreme". Straw says Clegg has also failed to make allowance for the fact that MPs now do more constituency work than in the past.

3.49pm: Clegg is still making his statement.

Addressing the subject of the referendum on the alternative vote, he says it will be on 5 May 2011. Having the referendum on the same day as the local elections, and the elections in Scotland and Wales, will save £17m. Voters will be able to understand the difference between the issues.

Clegg says the 2015 election will be fought on the new boundaries. Only two constituencies should be exempt from the rules saying constitutencies have to be roughly the same size: Orkney and Shetland, and the Western Isles. There is jeering in the Commons; Orkney and Shetland is a Lib Dem seat.

Ballot box Photograph: Getty Images

3.46pm: Nick Clegg is speaking now. David Cameron is sitting on the front bench listening.

Clegg says the government has an ambitious programme for political renewal. He rattles through the proposals in the coalition agreement. And he says he will give more details about some of them this afternoon.

First, he introduces legislation to fix the date of the next general election: 7 May 2015. "This prime minister" - ie, Cameron - has given up his power to set the date of the election.

Clegg addresses the "55%" issue. MPs will still be able to pass a motion of no confidence. These powers will be written in statute. If no new government is formed within 14 days of a vote of no confidence, there will be an election.

There will still be provisions for the Commons to vote for a dissolution of parliament. But that will need the support of two thirds of MPs, not 55%.

Clegg says these rules will ensure, if no government can win the support of the Commons, there will be an election.

Second, he says the government wants to cut the size of the Commons to 600. There are 650 MPs now. Originally the Tories said they wanted to get rid of 10% of MPs. The coalition has settled for a slightly lower number.

3.36pm: With Nick Clegg about to make his AV statement in the Commons, here's an afternoon AV reading list.

• Fraser Nelson at Coffee House suggests David Cameron is contemplating the re-alignment of British politics.

Live blog: quote

There is an analysis emerging in Tory circles, which I suspect Cameron shares, that the era of majority governments is over in Britain. That coalition is the new future – which is why it's good to ensure the Lib Dem deal is built to last. The AV system would, of course, make this outcome more likely. I suspect it won't be long before we hear Danny Finkelstein telling us how AV is quite a good idea, and will benefit the Tories after all. If we're so nice to the Lib Dems, they'll put us No.2 on their preference list and that will help in Labour-Tory marginals. He's largely there already.

• Mike Smithson at PoliticalBetting wonders whether AV could end up destroying the Lib Dems.

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We've seen in the London Mayoral elections, where there's a simplified alternative vote, how the big two squeeze out the yellows. Could what happens to Clegg's party in the capital every four years apply at general elections?

• Sunny Hundal at Liberal Conspiracy considers the arguments that would be effective in an AV campaign.

3.15pm: At the lobby briefing this morning someone asked about Sebastian James. The name didn't mean anything to most of us, and the prime minister's spokesman wasn't very revealing. But I've just taken a peak over the Times's paywall and all is revealed. Sam Coates reveals that he is a Bullingdon Club contemporary of David Cameron's. He was in the notorious photo, and he will be appointed to head a government review looking at how money is spent on school buildings. According to Coates, James's full name is the Right Honourable Sebastian Richard Edward Cuthbert James. He is now the group operations director of DSG International, the company that runs Curry's.

Sally Keeble Sally Keeble. Photo: Frank Baron

2.51pm: Sally Keeble, the former international development minister, is giving evidence to the Iraq inquiry this afternoon. I expected the hearing to be quite dull. But the inquiry has just released a letter she sent to Tony Blair in June 2003 in which she strongly criticised Clare Short, the international development secretary at the time of the war, and the department as a whole. Here's an extract:

Live blog: quote

Following our phone conversations, I want to set out my misgivings about DfID's performance in dealing with the humanitarian consequences of the action in Iraq ...

There were of course difficulties because of Clare's position. Some of the consequences of her decisions were disastrous, specifically: the lack of pre-planning, the difficulties in providing humanitarian supplies for the troops, the refusal to contribute £6m towards the dredging of Um Qasr and the refusal to engage fully with [the Office for Reconstruction and Humanitarian Assistance].

However, quite apart from the political difficulties, there were also real difficulties with the performance of the department at official level.

The inquiry has also released the text of a letter sent in response by Suma Chakrabarti, the DfID permanent secretary at the time, dismissing Keeble's claims as "unfounded".

2.27pm: Lord Patten's briefing must be over (see 12.08pm). According to Channel 4 News, the Pope's visit is going to cost at least £10m.

Live blog: recap

1.44pm: Here's a lunchtime summary.

Danny Alexander, the chief secretary to the Treasury, is set to announce fresh spending cuts worth £1bn. In a written ministerial statement this afternoon, Alexander is expected to say that programmes that would have been funded by Whitehall underspending under Labour's plan will not go ahead because the money is not available. The departments affected include education, business, communities and the Home Office. Last month Alexander cut or froze government spending projects worth £10.5bn.

A union leader has said that civil servants will strike if the government tries to cut their pensions or their jobs. Mark Serwotka, the general secretary of the Public and Commercial Services union, issued the warning this morning, when several unions thought they would be discussing the issue today with Francis Maude, the Cabinet Office minister. But the meeting is now not going ahead. Maude will deliver a speech about civil service reform later today. Union figures believe that Maude will announce cuts to sick pay provisions for civil servants and the extension of variable pay rates for people working in different regions, as well as changes to redundancy pay arrangements. (See 8.28am, 12.08pm, 1pm)

Ed Balls has said he would be "very wary" of supporting a switch to the alternative vote in a referendum. The Labour leadership contender suggested that the idea was being proposed "in a partisan way" as part of an attempt to "gerrymander" the constitution. Nick Clegg, the deputy prime minister, will make a statement about the plans for a referendum on AV, which will be combined with moves to equalise the size of parliamentary constituencies, in a Commons statement at 3.30pm. The broad thrust of what Clegg will announce has already been revealed. But the statement should be interesting because it will provide us with an indication as to how Labour will react, and how strongly the Tories will oppose the abolition of first-past-the-post. (See 10.48am and 12.08pm)

Ofcom has rejected complaints about Sky News' coverage of the general election. Ofcom received almost 2,800 complaints from viewers who had objected to Adam Boulton's treatment of the Lib Dem leader, Nick Clegg, and his on-screen clash with the former Labour spin doctor Alastair Campbell, as well as Kay Burley's interview with a campaigner for electoral reform. Mark Sweney has more details at Media Guardian.

1.00pm: What really happened to that Cabinet Office meeting to discuss cuts to civil service redundancy pay? Downing Street said this morning: "There was no meeting planned, so no meeting was cancelled or pulled out of." But the union version is rather different. Here's was one union source told me.

Live blog: quote

We did not get a formal invitation to a meeting. But we were told from the Cabinet Office that there would be a meeting, that it would be at 4pm today and that it would be to discuss an announcement going to be made by Francis Maude. This morning we were then told that it was not certain whether the meeting would go ahead or not. Then, at about midday, we were called officially by the Cabinet Office and told that it was off, with no explanation why. It's a bit disingenuous for them to say that it was not being planned.

Interestingly, the unions believe that the Maude announcement will not just cover the civil service compensation scheme. They're also expecting Maude to announce cuts to the sick pay provisions for civil servants and the extension of variable pay rates for people working in different regions.

12.57pm: Ed Balls has given a strong hint that he would not support switching to the alternative vote electoral system in a referendum campaign. According to PoliticsHome, this is what he told the Daily Politics show:

Live blog: quote

I'm very wary ... I support AV, it's in our manifesto, but if this is being done in a partisan way while gerrymandering the constitution. Why should we [Labour] campaign for something which is being done in an improper way?

12.42pm: Earlier I put up a post about a survey of Conservative party members showing that they are mostly very happy with the decisions being taken by the coalition (see 9.57am). A ConservativeHome survey at the end of last week also showed Tories backing 11 out of the 14 main measures in the budget.

Liberal Democrat members also seem to be on board. This morning Liberal Democrat Voice published its own survey. It is based on a small sample (350 members) but it suggests a majority of Lib Dem members back all the major budget measures. Predictably, the measure that attracted most Lib Dem opposition was the VAT increase. But 48% of Lib Dem respondents supported it, and only 42% opposed it. This is Stephen Tall's conclusion:

Live blog: quote

For the moment, then, it seems that Lib Dem members – like much of the public – are prepared to give the new coalition government the benefit of the doubt as they tackle the UK's financial mess.

Live blog: recap

12.08pm: I'm just back from the Downing Street briefing. Here are the main points.

Francis Maude, the Cabinet Office minister, won't be meeting civil service unions today to discuss cutting redundancy payments. Downing Street said there was "no meeting scheduled". That will come as a surprise to the unions, who seemed to know this morning exactly when it was meant to be taking place. (See 8.37am.)

Nick Clegg's statement to the Commons will cover the government's plans for a referendum on the alternative vote and for equalising the size of parliamentary constituencies. Other issues may come up too, but he won't say much about Lords reform.

Downing Street said the government had "no plans" to change the law governing strikes. The prime minister's spokesman played down the Times story (see 10.44am), but did not deny it.

Lord Patten, the former Tory chairman, will give a briefing later today about the Pope's visit. David Cameron has given Patten the job of overseeing the preparations for the pontiff's trip.

Michael Gove, the education secretary, is making a statement in the Commons about school spending cuts. It will partly overlap with a written ministerial statement from Danny Alexander, the chief secretary to the Treasury, about the last government's end-of-year spending. (See 8.28am.)

The announcement about an inquiry into allegations that British officials colluded in torture will come "quite soon".

Downing Street will not explicitly back John Bercow's plans for reform of prime minister's questions. (See 10.23am.) The prime minister's spokesman said Cameron would be "open" to suggestions from the Speaker, but he would not comment in any further detail.

And Downing Street also refused to say whether Cameron supported the parents who let their their children, aged eight and five, cycle a mile to school on their own. (The story was here in the Sunday Times yesterday, but you'll only be able to read it if you've subscribed.) Boris Johnson today challenged Cameron to back the parents. (See 10.44am.) The prime minister's spokesman said Cameron "thinks people should be taking decisions for themselves". But he would not comment on the particular case, or criticise the school for challenging what the parents are doing.

10.54am: I'm off to the Downing Street lobby briefing. I'll post again after 11.30am ...

Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg Photo: Murdo MacLeod

10.48am: Nick Clegg is making a statement on electoral reform this afternoon. I presume this will be the announcement about the referendum on the alternative vote taking place in May next year. Clegg was due to announce this tomorrow, but the news has already been well-trailed so he may well have decided just to get on with it.

Live blog: recap

10.44am: I've already mentioned a couple of the stories in the papers today (see 9.23am and 10.23am). Here are some of the others worth flagging up:

Sam Coates in The Times says that ministers are considering tightening the laws regulating strikes. Although Downing Street is saying it has "no plans" to change union legislation, the story quotes a Tory source saying the cabinet is "feeling inclined to be very bullish and aggressive" about confronting the unions. Coates says one option being discussed is a change that would require a certain proportion of workers to vote in favour for a strike for it to be legal, instead of just a majority of those actually voting. The CBI has said that 40% of the workforce should have to vote for a strike for it to be allowed.

Lord Ashdown says in an article in the Times that the coalition is failing in Afghanistan.

Live blog: quote

In these kind of operations, winning militarily but losing politically means losing. And we are losing politically. It's the insurgency that is expanding across the country, not the writ of Kabul.

He says the international community should start preparing an international conference on the future of Afghanistan, "a bit like Dayton for Bosnia". He goes on: "Would this prevent any chance of a civil war? No. But it might give us the best available bulwark against one."

Both the Times stories are locked behind the paper's paywall.

• Boris Johnson in the Daily Telegraph says he supports the couple who are allowing their children, aged eight and five, to cycle a mile to school on their own.

Live blog: quote

Children, especially male children, need to learn about risk and daring; and if we don't give them opportunities for excitement they will simply invent their own, with gangs, and sometimes that will end in disaster. That is why I passionately support the right of the Schonrocks to take their own decisions, and to take their own risks, and I hope our new government does so, too.

• Philip Hammond, the transport minister, has said that pensioners could consider paying for their bus travel instead of using their free bus passes, to help the public finances, the Daily Telegraph reports.

• The Daily Mail says John Bercow has allowed his nanny and her husband to live rent-free in the Speaker's official residence.

The Speaker of the House, John Bercow John Bercow. Photo: Stefan Rousseau/PA

10.23am: I'll post a summary of the main political stories in the papers quite soon, but I'm going to give Steve Richards's interview with John Bercow in the Independent special treatment because it's full of good lines. Here they are:

• Bercow said that the leader of the opposition gets too many questions at prime minister's questions.

Live blog: quote

Six questions are too much for the leader of the opposition. They end up taking a large number of minutes, say 10 minutes out of 30; that is a third of the time gone.

• He attacked the Daily Telegraph. He criticised the paper for what it said about his decision to appoint a black woman as chaplain to the Commons. And he suggested it was making a mistake in continuing to run stories about MPs' expenses.

Live blog: quote

If there is a newspaper which has defined itself by MPs' expenses, massively increasing its sales, using it as its USP, if it thinks it's going on for several parliaments to come then it's guilty of delusion on an industrial scale.

• He said that party conferences should take place at weekends, so that the Commons can carry on sitting through September.

Live blog: quote

It is quite wrong for party conferences to be used as an excuse for the Commons not to sit. Conferences could be held at weekends. Parliament should sit throughout September.

• He claimed that "organised barracking" of speakers during PMQS began in the 1970s. Bercow said that he had conducted some research and discovered that the shouting started about 40 years ago because of the mutual loathing felt by Harold Wilson and Ted Heath. Bercow said the public "detest" this behaviour.

• He said that the people who attacked him or his wife, Sally, were either snobs or bigots.

Live blog: quote

The snobs are those who regard themselves as socially superior because of their background, the person they have married, or the money they've got. The worst snobs are of no distinction at all. The bigots are people who cannot bear the idea of a Speaker with an opinionated wife. If she wants to be a Labour MP she has every right ... but of course whether she succeeds is a matter for her and Labour.

Is Bercow right about the public "detesting" rowdy behaviour at PMQs? I can believe that people do write to him to complain. But I suspect that they also find the aggro quite watchable. There are parliaments that conduct themselves in a more "civilised manner" as Bercow is calling for – the European parliament, the Scottish parliament, the Welsh assembly – but I'm not aware of any evidence that shows that that's good for ratings.

9.57am: Conservative party members are strongly opposed to Ken Clarke's plans to cut the number of people being sent to prison. According to a survey for ConservativeHome, 65% of members are opposed, and only 31% are in favour.

But I'm being mischievous. The survey is actually very good for David Cameron. ConservativeHome asked about 17 early decisions taken by the coalition government and the other 16 are strongly supported by Tory members.

9.23am: The Daily Telegraph has splashed on the government's plans to change the rules relating to civil service redundancies. James Kirkup's story includes this quote from a letter sent from the Cabinet Office to human resources directors in the civil service.

Live blog: quote

You must not assume that the old terms will continue unchanged for more than the next couple of months or so.

The Telegraph story also claims that "some ministries have 'pools' of several hundred workers who do not have allocated jobs but who are not sacked because of the cost".

9.14am: Not all public spending has ground to a halt yet. As Reuters reports, Serco has just announced that it has signed a £415m contract to build and manage a new prison at Belmarsh in London.

8.37am: The talks about the civil service compensation scheme are not due to start until 4pm, I've been told by a union official. The PCS (see 8.28am) is expecting to be joined by five other unions: the FDA, Prospect, Unite, GMB and the Prison Officers' Association (POA). They will be meeting Francis Maude, the Cabinet Office minister.

8.28am: It looks as if civil service cuts will be the story of the day. Ministers are due to meet civil service union officials today to discuss possible changes to the civil service compensation scheme, which determines how much civil servants receive if they get made redundant. The government thinks it's too generous. But Mark Serwotka, the general secretary of the Public and Commercial Services union, has already been on Radio 4 warning that the government's stance could provoke a strike. According to PoliticsHome, this is what he said:

Live blog: quote

We live in difficult times, we have a crisis caused by financial markets, and now it's hard-pressed public servants who are paying the price, and that can't be right.

People need to understand that there is no democratic legitimacy for cuts on this scale. I believe there is no argument for cuts in public services at all at the moment.

If we get attacked on pensions and jobs and pay then I think the inevitability of industrial action stares us in the face.

I'll be blogging more about the talks throughout the day. And there will be other public spending news too. As Nicholas Watt reports in the Guardian, Michael Gove is due to announce today cuts of up to £3.5bn in the schools budget. I'm not sure yet whether this is related to a written ministerial statement that George Osborne will be making today about "public spending control". Otherwise, it's a bit patchy. Norman Baker, the transport minister, is making an announcement about green buses. Sally Keeble, the former international development minister, is giving evidence to the Iraq inquiry at 2pm. I'll be keeping an eye on these stories, as well as covering any other breaking news from Westminster and bringing you all the best politcs from the papers and the web.


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  • Kookboy Kookboy

    5 Jul 2010, 8:43AM

    How many more of my friends are you about to make redundant Mr Gove?

    Not like they do anything really, JUST checking to see if teachers are fit to teach and have no criminal records!!

    I call for the charity status of private schools to be removed and to standard taxation to be put upon it.

  • RedRush RedRush

    5 Jul 2010, 9:14AM

    Gove needs to find money for his untested and unevaluated Free Schools experiment. Here's the joke and its not funny, its not free after all as it paid for at the expense of other schools.

  • fibmac70 fibmac70

    5 Jul 2010, 9:15AM

    Monday 5 July 2010
    Andrew Sparrow with all today's politics news – including ministers' talks with civil servants over redundancy terms and Michael Gove's cuts to the schools budget

    The problem for the every present incumbent
    Is that they are regarded per se as redundant
    The moneymen of the coalition
    Would fire them with or without their permission.....

  • jforbes jforbes

    5 Jul 2010, 10:07AM

    This Government seems to be taking a cavalier approach to the legislative process. Announcing changes that require parliamentary approval without putting them to parliament. Worrying times.

  • WinningestWinner WinningestWinner

    5 Jul 2010, 10:36AM

    Is Bercow right about the public "detesting" rowdy behaviour at PMQs?

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    The speaker showing us that there still remains a tiny bit of conservatism in him. As in, informing the public what they dislike, and what they don’t, based on little more but his own opinion.

    CCTV cameras as an example. In (neutral, weighted) every poll I’ve ever seen, they get overwhelming public support. As people feel safer.

    And yet, Cameron and Clegg are constantly telling us how much we hate CCTV……….

  • WinningestWinner WinningestWinner

    5 Jul 2010, 10:37AM

    Is Bercow right about the public "detesting" rowdy behaviour at PMQs?

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    Of course he's not. The only reason I actually watch PMQs is for a bit of pantomime, a bit of drama, and a bit of rowdiness. The rowdier, and more heated the better.

    My dad's the same. Most of my friends are the same. I imagine everyone is the same.

    There's nothing better than a bit of political banter in the commons.

    If they made it civilised, nobody would watch it......

  • yahyah yahyah

    5 Jul 2010, 10:42AM

    Andrew

    Please could check up on something I'm having trouble finding out ?

    Can you ask your coalition contacts a question.

    How much is Nick Clegg's 'freedom' campaign website and video launch costing the taxpayer ? Including the staff to monitor and report the web site postings ?

    Thanks, it would be nice to have the info.

  • BertrandChorizo BertrandChorizo

    5 Jul 2010, 10:57AM

    Sad that it didn't make it onto this blog that the CBI is disappointed at the £4bn capital cuts.

    The CBI were all gung-ho last week about teh budget and the cuts, but that's when they thought it would be direct cuts to citizens, and not direct cuts that take away business from their larger members, the likes of Balfour Beatty and the other large constructors...

    Typical hypocrisy.

    Wouldn't it be good if they said, "we think these projects are essential and whats more we're going to find a private finance solution to ensure they go ahead."

  • Kookboy Kookboy

    5 Jul 2010, 12:27PM

    Does anyone think that Clegg and the Lib/dems will actually do well out of AV?

    Prior to the last election I would have had the Lib/dems as my second choice, however now?

    Not a chance!!

    With the Tories a lot of the second choice is quite academic, a lot of tory area's have a 2nd and 3rd candidate running as an independent conservative. (My area had at least 5 right of centre candidates, compared to two left of centre).

    I do wonder dependant on the major party in the area would this be similar across the nation E.g will there be Labour areas with a socialist workers party running along side?

    AV is a good idea however I feel that the Lib/dems are going to have to do a lot of work to get over the stigma that is propping up a minority government!

  • BertrandChorizo BertrandChorizo

    5 Jul 2010, 12:52PM

    Kookboy

    5 Jul 2010, 12:27PM

    Does anyone think that Clegg and the Lib/dems will actually do well out of AV?

    No. I don't even think the LibDems think this, but AV was the minimum they could accept on electoral reform to keep their membership happy.

    My guess is that the only real benefit of AV is that we will see the measure of support for smaller parties. However, this will only be indicative and is unlikely to affect the real politic.

    AV is marginally better for this reason but i would still like to see something proportional.

  • EuroJohn EuroJohn

    5 Jul 2010, 1:56PM

    That is a total misrepresentation of what Balls said, and he was AT PAINS to make himself clear several times despite the attempts by the hoity schoolmaam who deputises for Andrew Neil in his absence to keep claiming he was back-tracking on AV which he repeatedly denied.

    The big point being missed, which he and other Labour figures have been trying to highlight (but which, in common with other areas, eg. Housing Benefit, a complicit media are allowing the Tories to get away scot free in concealing at the moment) is this:

    It appears that the Tories, supported by the LibDems in order to get the AV referendum, are going to attempt literally to gerrymander the system in an entirely partisan and unprecedented way (such changes have always been done through consent). They seem to be intent on an astonishing distortion of our 'democracy' by mandating the Boundary Commission to draw boundaries that attempt broadly to equalise not the number of eligible voters in a consituency but the number of voters registered in a constituency.

    This will give a huge distorting advantage to the Tories, given the relative proportions of people liable to vote Labour vs Tory who register and maintain their registration. It's nothing less than a partial disenfranchisement, which will institutionalise a more effective 'spreading' of the Tories higher-precentage-registered supporters across constituencies.

    It's nothing less than an astonishing attempt at a minor coup against a non-partisan democracy, which has to be resisted tooth and nail by any right-thinking person. And it is THIS (not AV itself) which people like Balls keep trying to insist they will oppose if the Tories try and smuggle it through under cover of the AV referendum - and as a supporter of electoral change (preferably more than AV, but it's a start) I have to say they have their priorities quite right!

  • westcornwall westcornwall

    5 Jul 2010, 2:45PM

    Keep repeating: it's the population in each constituency, not the (past) number of voters that must be equalised (and even then, in scattered rural areas, some flexibility given).

  • spanows spanows

    5 Jul 2010, 3:26PM

    @westcornwall

    Keep repeating: it's the population in each constituency, not the (past) number of voters that must be equalised (and even then, in scattered rural areas, some flexibility given).

    I know there's a logical reason for what you say but imagine a constituency with a population of 1000, made up of an orphanage and a prison, each with 499 'guests' and one warden. And another constituency of 1000 made up of 500 childless couples. Why should the two wardens have the same voting power as 500 couples?

    @EuroJohn

    Exactly. But the Tories are planning to do the opposite!

    The opposite of what? Population or number of voters?

  • Armstrongx15 Armstrongx15

    5 Jul 2010, 3:36PM

    It hardely matters
    I had hoped for electoral reform to give the centre parties a fair say on the basis of their electoral support.

    Now we know what the Liberal Democrats are about, what is the point of giving them any more clout.

    A change to the system will alter the face of the commons for ever with fringe parties playing a large part greens/BNP et.c

    It has to come, in the name of democracy
    I wonder what the result will be

  • EuroJohn EuroJohn

    5 Jul 2010, 3:36PM

    spanows

    The orphanage and the prison do not contain people who are "eligible to vote." As I said in my first post, that is the population in electoral terms; not how many voted last time, not how many happen to be registered on a given day, but the population of eligible voters. So the answer to your question is, "they wouldn't." It's not rocket science! One just has to not want to gerrymander the system to distort it in one's electoral favour.

  • WinningestWinner WinningestWinner

    5 Jul 2010, 3:54PM

    There is an analysis emerging in Tory circles, which I suspect Cameron shares, that the era of majority governments is over in Britain. That coalition is the new future – which is why it's good to ensure the Lib Dem deal is built to last. The AV system would, of course, make this outcome more likely. I suspect it won't be long before we hear Danny Finkelstein telling us how AV is quite a good idea, and will benefit the Tories after all. If we're so nice to the Lib Dems, they'll put us No.2 on their preference list and that will help in Labour-Tory marginals. He's largely there already.

    =========================================================

    I love this tory habit of:

    "No, we actually wanted this coalition. It’s not actually a result of us just having an awful election campaign, and having a rather useless front bench team."

    The only reason the coalition exists is because David Cameron is party leader, George Osborne is number 2, and Andy Coulson is doing their communications.

    Add all three together, and it’s a political IQ of about -45

    I assure you, the Lib Dems are currently polling about 14% (from 21% on the day of the election) for a very good reason. Their voters hate the conservative party.

  • spanows spanows

    5 Jul 2010, 3:55PM

    @EuroJohn

    The orphanage and the prison do not contain people who are "eligible to vote." As I said in my first post, that is the population in electoral terms; not how many voted last time, not how many happen to be registered on a given day, but the population of eligible voters. So the answer to your question is, "they wouldn't." It's not rocket science! One just has to not want to gerrymander the system to distort it in one's electoral favour.

    Bear in mind i was replying to the two comments quoted in my comment. i.e. "...it's the population in each constituency, not the (past) number of voters that must be equalised."

    That said I have since seen your previous comment i s that it doesn't really say much except "they're cheating, not fair, we cheated but that was fair".

    This will give a huge distorting advantage to the Tories, given the relative proportions of people liable to vote Labour vs Tory who register and maintain their registration.

    That's it? Just because Labour can't get their voters to register it's unfair?

    It's nothing less than a partial disenfranchisement, which will institutionalise a more effective 'spreading' of the Tories higher-precentage-registered supporters across constituencies.

    So surely the solution is for Labour to consolidate it's supporters and get them to maintain a registered vote? Not resort to hysterical shreiking about minor coups and distortion. Surely distortion is 70% of the seats in Scotalnd with 40% of the vote. Or 4 x more seats than the LDs in England with less than 4% more of the vote.

  • donhead donhead

    5 Jul 2010, 3:58PM

    Oh fabulous.

    The job of identifying which new schools are now going to be built, and which are going to be scrapped in the government's review of the BSF is going to be given to Sebastian James, a man whose flimsy CV contains only one qualification for the job. He was one of Cameron's mates at uni - Bullingdon Club no less.

    Chances are that he has never set foot in a state school in his life, so he's sure to bring a "fresh perspective" to the job.

  • Sirles Sirles

    5 Jul 2010, 4:03PM

    Where I live, North Somerset, we have a surfeit of Tory votes that could be used to change the result of future elections in Bristol South.

    You heard it here first.

    Remember the Tories have form for Gerrymandering, Dame Shirley Porter and Westminster Council.

  • spanows spanows

    5 Jul 2010, 4:05PM

    Remember the Tories have form for Gerrymandering, Dame Shirley Porter and Westminster Council.

    LOL!

    They may have form but they have a lot to learn form the all time record holders and experts, namely, the Labour Party.

  • DustDevil DustDevil

    5 Jul 2010, 4:05PM

    Is the Labour party a party of progress or of stagnation? Is it a party that stands for something, or does it just stand against everything? Is the Labour party in favour of change or is it just in favour of itself?

    I hate false dichotomies almost as much as I hate scripted 'comebacks'.

  • ArseneKnows ArseneKnows

    5 Jul 2010, 4:08PM

    Here is an example of how to equalise boundaries using the conalition definition of equal sizes.

    Consituency A and B are next door to each other and both have 100,000 people eleigible to vote. All the statistics show that the richer are more likely to register and vote than the poorer therefore the following is quite conceivable.

    In A, a richer Tory constituency there are 80,000 registered voters
    In B, a poorer Labour constituency there are 60,000 registered voters
    The solution is to move 10,000 voters from A to B thus meaning that in the new 'equal' constituencies the 2 constituencies that previously both had 100,000 eleigible voters are now one containing 110,000 eleigible voters and one containing 90,000.

    Furthermore the refusal to reduce the size of the executive in proportion to the number of MP's serves only to increase the power of patronage.

  • Cuse Cuse

    5 Jul 2010, 4:10PM

    Is the Labour party a party of progress or of stagnation? Is it a party that stands for something, or does it just stand against everything? Is the Labour party in favour of change or is it just in favour of itself?

    Nick Clegg, you pompous, patronising, naturally-born Tory ar*e.

  • socialistMike socialistMike

    5 Jul 2010, 4:11PM

    'So surely the solution is for Labour to consolidate it's supporters and get them to maintain a registered vote? '

    Or, preferably, for partisans to forget their short-term advantage and oppose the changes as anti-democratic gerrymandering to our traditional way of fixing boundaries..

  • socialistMike socialistMike

    5 Jul 2010, 4:13PM

    'They may have form but they have a lot to learn form the all time record holders and experts, namely, the Labour Party.'

    Obviously you prefer the partisan approach. Or perhaps you think that by simply accusing the Labour party of gerrymandering, without providing any evidence, of course, it provides a good enough reason for future gerrymandering by your party.

    Democrats oppose attacks on democracy regardless of which party is involved. And you don't.

  • WinningestWinner WinningestWinner

    5 Jul 2010, 4:17PM

    The tone I’ve heard, from within the party (I’m a councillor) is that Labour may be planning the old John Smith move on the coalition.

    For any of you not up to date on your early 1990s politics, Smith, as opposition leader, often refused to back legislation, even if he fundamentally agreed with it.

    Why? As he sensed the government was weak, and had many rebels, and in his party joining the rebels and opposing it, it:

    1: Weakened the Prime Minister
    2: Increased the number of rebels in the government

    Blair finished the tories off. But it was Smith’s work that did the damage.

    What I’ve been told. Labour will more than likely oppose the AV legistaltion, on large numbers.

    How will they justify it? The gerry-mandering equal size constituency law that the tories have put into the same package.

    If the Libs can’t get the bill through parliament, they will almost certainly end the coalition agreement. Bringing another election

  • EuroJohn EuroJohn

    5 Jul 2010, 4:20PM

    spanows

    Well firstly, the only truely democratic system would be a proper proportional one - and that's what I support first. I never claimed to support other distortions you allude to, though your suggestion that these have grown up as a result of deliberate partisan gerrymandering by Labour, as opposed to understandable historic developments which many now be archaic (Scotland) and bi-partisan pragmatism, is false.

    The bottom line is that if you are eligible to vote you have an absolutely fundamental right to be 'counted' regardless of your beliefs, party-inclinations or propensity to register. To organise our electoral map on the pretense that millions of eligible voters just "aren't there" is a scam pure and simple.

  • ArseneKnows ArseneKnows

    5 Jul 2010, 4:21PM

    @spanows

    So surely the solution is for Labour to consolidate it's supporters and get them to maintain a registered vote? Not resort to hysterical shreiking about minor coups and distortion. Surely distortion is 70% of the seats in Scotalnd with 40% of the vote. Or 4 x more seats than the LDs in England with less than 4% more of the vote.

    Points to consider

    - in the inner cities in particular, the number of people moving into and out of areas makes it almost impossible to keep registers up-to-date and complate
    even leaving aside cut-off dates for registration

    - AV in Scotland will not benefit the Lib Dems after thay have propped up a right-wing Tory government although it may well benefit the SNP

    - In England the Lib Dems again may not benefit as much as they believe from AV given that, especailly in the south of England they are usually engaged in Lib Dem - Con contests. in the north where there are more Lib Dem - labour contests they will be, as in scotland and wales, cast with the Conservatives when the reckoning comes for the disproportionate cuts that will fall in those areas.

  • Buzzzy Buzzzy

    5 Jul 2010, 4:24PM

    ANY POLITITIANS PREPARED TO READ MY COMMENT………….

    I suggest any 18 year old ABLE AND WILLING to set up their own MANUFACTURING BUISINESS should be give a financial incentive for the first 12 months and tapering away over the next four years. To maintain the incentive they must prove they are working at their business for 40hours per week. Any 'service' type job such as hairdressing, drama, art, dog grooming, window cleaning to be excluded since these jobs have no real future potential export benefit to the UK.
    The country must regenerate its manufacturing base. We must export to survive. The policy of the last government has destroyed the motivation to manufacture goods. Get the 18 years old whilst they are enthusiastic. Get them young and help them so they will benefit the UK balance of payments in future years.
    I was a teacher of technology and design. There are a few very able students who could lead this country towards regeneration. This country is wasting its entrepreneurs. Too many able youths get forced into dead end jobs because they lack finance to develop their skills and initiatives. The need help!

  • calminthestorm calminthestorm

    5 Jul 2010, 4:24PM

    Clegg is such an idiot.

    He's agreed to a referendum on the day of local elections. Elections that tend to favour Tory turn-out who will say no.

    He's tied electoral reform to another reform of number of MPs that will gerrymander boundries to suit Tories, thus making it harder or impossible for Labour people to suport this particular reform.

    He's offering a system that only benefits the Lib Dems, not small parties like Greens. Only teh LIb Dems benefit from AV, not democratic is it?

    He refuses to reduce the number of Ministers so when the number of MPs is reduced the Government will infact have greater voting power.

    All seems to be heading for a big defeat, what will happen to him then?

  • WinningestWinner WinningestWinner

    5 Jul 2010, 4:28PM

    A lot of people get confused by this equal sized consituency request by the tories.

    It’s despicable. To explain.

    The constituencies are the size that they are, to reflect the number of registered voters that there are in the area.

    In laymans terms, constituencies are worked out on how many registered voters there are in the area. Not how many people.

    Why? As a MUCH higher proportion of tories own their houses, and hence, it’s much easier for tory voters to stay registered in a constituency.

    Labour and the Lib Dems have very high levels of support, who live in rented accommodation. And hence, they move a lot, around an aera. And hence, they find it much harder to stay on an electoral register.

    The tories desires for equal constituency sizes, are under the knowledge that poor people, find it harder to stay registered to vote, as they move house a lot.

    I’m not poor, but I am 30, and I’ve moved house twice 3 times in the last 12 months. Just part of being a young professional.

    I only JUST managed to vote. And that was only because I was very on the ball, as I keep up to date with politics.

    Cameron knows full well that people who live in rented accommodation find it much harder to stay registered to vote.

    And hence, if he makes constituency sizes based on the number of people there, and not the number of registered voters there, he can cut huge amounts of Labour and Lib Dem votes out of elections

  • spanows spanows

    5 Jul 2010, 4:33PM

    @socialistMike

    Or, preferably, for partisans to forget their short-term advantage and oppose the changes as anti-democratic gerrymandering to our traditional way of fixing boundaries..

    The traditional way? So FPTP is is then? Or changing the fixed boundaries like Labour isn't a problem?

    Obviously you prefer the partisan approach. Or perhaps you think that by simply accusing the Labour party of gerrymandering, without providing any evidence, of course, it provides a good enough reason for future gerrymandering by your party.

    Partisan approach please.

    Democrats oppose attacks on democracy regardless of which party is involved. And you don't.

    So, you think it's an attck on democracy? "just" an attack on democracy, or something democratic that on first glance may be a little worse for your party if your party does nothiong about it? Sound decidedly partisan to me.

    That said you haven't asked me what voting system I would prefer, or what my opinion is of the boundary changes etc so it seems odd that you acuse me.

  • WinningestWinner WinningestWinner

    5 Jul 2010, 4:35PM

    In regards to gerry-mandering:

    You have to remember that constituencies at the minute, are based on the number of registered voters. Not the number of people.

    People who rent rooms, flats, houses, find it much harder to stay registered to vote, than those who own houses.

    That’s the only reason the tories have more registered voters. There demographic is home owners.

    People who move house once a decade. Not twice a year.

    Something his party knows full well.

    In making constituencies the same size, he is basically trying to take advantage of the fact that poorer people in society find it harder to register.

    If that’s not bad enough, he’s also planning to make it even harder for people to register in the first place, to give his party even more advantage.

    At the minute, married couples can register each other, as long as they live under the same roof. He wants to change the rules to make it that every individual has to register themselves.

    What’s more, he wants to bring these new rules in immediately (probably 4 years ahead of the boundary changes) to ensure that as few people as possible are registered when the new boundaries are counted!

    You know, it’s awful. I can’t believe the Lib Dems will back, what is basically the UK version of George Bush in Florida.

    For those of you not up to date with this sort of thing, Bush also did everything in his power to ensure that poor people, black people and gay people were not on electoral registers, by making it as hard as possible for them to stay registered.

  • Timsimmons Timsimmons

    5 Jul 2010, 4:35PM

    what?

    "There will still be provisions for the Commons to vote for a dissolution of parliament. But that will need the support of two thirds of MPs, not 55%."

    If folk didn't like 55% then 66.66% is going to make them froth at the mouth!

  • WinningestWinner WinningestWinner

    5 Jul 2010, 4:43PM

    The previous Government committed to spending money it simply did not have, but this Coalition Government has taken action to address this serious situation. The decisions have not been easy, but the understanding and cooperation of my Cabinet colleagues has enabled us to act swiftly to ensure that the nation can live within its means.

    The reality is that these unfunded spending promises should never have been made, because the money was never there to pay for them. We did not make this mess, but we are cleaning it up.

    =========================================================

    Stop lying Alexander, you sell out.

    Labour had something like £70 billion of cuts in their manifesto, to halve the deificit in 4 years. Something your own party agreed with pre election.

    You have £120 billion of cuts in your current budget.

    Labour could afford it, quite easily, for the simple reason that:

    1: They were going to cut 50 billion less!
    2: They weren't giving away 12 billion in tax cuts

    I get sick of the insulting of intelligence that these cronies try and pull.

  • NEWSMAN42 NEWSMAN42

    5 Jul 2010, 4:45PM

    Alternative Voting? A cautionary tale.

    Some years ago I had the misfortune to serve as a panellist/presenter in a "Miss Something or Other" Competition in which two contestants in particular were outstandingly pretty while another was everyone's choice as their "girl next door".

    When the votes were counted, it was the "girl next door" who won and everyone was furiously dissatisfied. No one had foreseen the consequences. They only wanted the "girl next door" to be the runner-up - with one of the others the outright winner.

    There were a lot of fights that night, furniture thrown everywhere and police protection for the panellists who were falsely accused of fixing when it was the maths that messed things up.

  • WinningestWinner WinningestWinner

    5 Jul 2010, 4:46PM

    Danny Alexander should probably start taking an interest in polls, if you ask me.

    The Libs are currently polling 14% to Labours 36% and the tories 40% with Yougov.

    Both the main parties have had a 5% boost. The Libs have lost 6%.

    Peter Kellner of Yougov states that he thinks they could be in single figures by this time next year.

    That's the price of being a human shield to a lot of axe wielding Thatcherites.

    You lose all credibility as a progressive party

    Stupid fig leaf

  • spanows spanows

    5 Jul 2010, 4:48PM

    @WinningestWinner @ArseneKnows @EuroJohn

    Thanks for the explications. It sounds to me that BOTH population of eligible voters and number of registered voters have serious drawbacks. Neither copes with the flexible nature of population, both can be fiddled with and neither address the problem of voter turnout (off on a tangent I know) but that to me is the most serious issue: what matter the number of eligble voters if only half vote?

    Obviously pure PR would be ideal if it didn't have the most likely outcome of leading to the splitting of all major parties (at least two-ways) and no real progress because of no real power. I wonder what a legal requirement to vote and PR lead to? As near as damn it 35% CON, 35% LAB, 30% LIB...???

  • holbeck holbeck

    5 Jul 2010, 4:48PM

    I have to say that this new line of attack over numbers of registered voters/potential voters in each constituency is new to me.

    Some of the posters above seem to be straining to find reasons to enable them to accuse the Coalition of gerrymandering. They are also making some sweeping assumptions about demographics and voting intentions.

    I'm not persuaded. It's all about the number of electors who turn up on polling day. If Loamshire elects an MP with 70,000 voters, but Loamtown can only produces 30,000 to elect theirs, then there should surely be a process of equalisation.

    I do agree with certain exceptions for geographical reasons.

  • WinningestWinner WinningestWinner

    5 Jul 2010, 4:49PM

    I have a feeling Labour will oppose AV. They have a decent excuse.

    The tories have linked it togethor with "equal size consituencies". They can just state that they can't vote for that.

    AV popularity in the UK is really 50/50

    Why should the Labour party prop up the coalition? Ed Balls is totally right in my opinion.

    AV is worth discussion and debate, but it shouldn't be forced through, by bribary, from a party who only has 55 MPS.

  • IntravenousDeMilo IntravenousDeMilo

    5 Jul 2010, 4:50PM

    I was at an IPPR event last month where Prof. John Curtice presented a post-election briefing and looked at the psephology of the result.

    His analysis that the Tories needed 8000 more votes per seat than Labour, which informs why the Tories want to gerry-mander within a FPTP system.

    However, his analysis also showed that this result has 'been in the post' so to speak since 1997, and that FPTP isn't working as it should in preserveing the two party dynamic (obviously).

    He modelled the result on AV as well, and a Tory/Lib coalition was the most likely result there as well, just with the Libs having 20-25 more seats with the Tories down around 11 and Labour down 14 if I recall correctly.

    My guess is that the Tories are going to calculate that the LDs will be so damaged by forming the coalition that the two-party dynamic will reassert itself, especially if Labour don't back AV. As expected, the Tories will ensure the LDs are totally fucked by the time of the next election.

  • jforbes jforbes

    5 Jul 2010, 4:53PM

    Timsimmons

    If folk didn't like 55% then 66.66% is going to make them froth at the mouth!

    No - 66% is pretty common, 55% seemed engineered to allow the coalition to call an election if they chose to - 66% means MPs across all parties must vote for dissolution.

    Don't agree with it but 66% is better than 55%.

  • WinningestWinner WinningestWinner

    5 Jul 2010, 4:58PM

    Some of the posters above seem to be straining to find reasons to enable them to accuse the Coalition of gerrymandering. They are also making some sweeping assumptions about demographics and voting intentions.

    I'm not persuaded. It's all about the number of electors who turn up on polling day. If Loamshire elects an MP with 70,000 voters, but Loamtown can only produces 30,000 to elect theirs, then there should surely be a process of equalisation

    =========================================================

    It's all to do with registered voters.

    Labour areas have a lot of people, but not that many of them are registered, due to the fact that they don't own houses, and tend to move a lot.

    Young people, students, poorer people, minorities.

    Hence the fact that currently, consituency sizes are worked out by how many people are registered. Not how many people live there.

    Tory demographics are much larger numbers of home owners, and long term habitations. To generalize, people who live in houses for longer than a decade.

    Sizing consituencies by population, and not registered voters, is just working off the basis that a bigger % of homeowners int he area will be tory voters, and hence, are more likely to be registered.

  • Kookboy Kookboy

    5 Jul 2010, 4:59PM

    A tweet from the BBC

    RT @BBCLauraK: Clegg backs down on 55 percent - a 66 percent vote, not 55 as suggested, will be required to dissolve parliament

    I for one are hopping mad, we are heading towards a dictatorship!

    Even Thatcher wouldn't have done this!!

  • MrooHaHaHaHa MrooHaHaHaHa

    5 Jul 2010, 5:00PM

    So Clegg has had three things to do since he ditched his principles:

    1. Nodding with Dave "we're all in this together, apart from me and my millioanire cabinet chums who fabulousy wealthy so we don't really give a shit what damage to do to the people of this country" Camoron at PMQs;

    2. Promoting a gimmicky website

    3. Peforming the first government u turn

    All the important jobs then.

  • MQuaife MQuaife

    5 Jul 2010, 5:01PM

    He is cutting spending programmes worth £1.54bn. Education is losing £1bn, business £265m, communities £220m and the Home Office £55m

    ....In additional to tens of billions of cuts to the public sector - to pensions, to benefits, to public sector pay, to job losses. BUT High HO, Its Off To Where We Go, to the land of the wonderful AV. Where all is fine and dandy. Afetr all AV is what this is all about for the nice, cuddly, Lib Dems isnt it? All these public sector cuts, this brutal assault is all worthwhile because the little, sweet Lib Dems have got their poxy AV referendum.

    Bring on the next election with or without AV. Cant wait for a lib dem bloodbath.

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