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Election debate: David Cameron wins third leg

Aggressive Brown fails to revive faltering campaign as leaders clash over economy, immigration and estate tax

David Cameron, Nick Clegg and Gordon Brown during the final live leaders' election debate. Photograph: Jeff Overs/BBC. Watch highlights from the debate here Link to this video

Gordon Brown last night appeared to have failed in his daunting mission to change the course of the general election during an ill-tempered leaders' debate in which he repeatedly rounded on David Cameron and warned that Conservative spending cuts would imperil the fragile recovery.

The prime minister's aggressive tone, however, did not destabilise Cameron, and his perceived negativity may have backfired with voters, who gave the debate to the Tory leader in all the instant polls.

Nick Clegg, the Liberal Democrat leader, seemed to struggle to impose himself for the first time in the three TV debates, and was caught in a pincer movement over his party's policy on immigration.

Brown's pitch from the start was to claim that Cameron represented the "same old Tories", returning to the hardline policies of the 1930s and 1980s that left millions unemployed. He then rounded on Cameron for offering tax breaks for the banks and millionaires, saying that this was no way to build a fair society. Speaking of his rivals, Brown said: "They are not ready for government, because they have not thought through their policies."

The Tory leader, initially forced on the defensive over the fairness of his tax plans, countered hard. "What you are hearing is desperate stuff from a man in a desperate state," he said, adding that Brown should be ashamed of himself for trying to frighten people.

Clegg repeated his claim that only the Liberal Democrats could offer real change. "We need to do things differently to build a new, stronger and fairer economy. The way they got us into this mess is not the way out. Of course, they will tell you tonight that these things can't be done. I think we have got to do things differently to deliver the fairness, the prosperity and the jobs that you and your family deserve."

Three instant polls, however, showed that Cameron had triumphed, with Clegg in second, and Brown trailing third. But a Guardian/ICM poll gave victory to Cameron on 35%, with Brown in second place on 29%, and Clegg on 27%.

The polls suggest that Cameron – by offering a reassuring performance – had been correct not to be provoked by Brown's direct and pointed attacks.

The Tory leader ended with a deliberate pitch to the centre ground. "There's something you need to know about me, which is I believe the test of a good and strong society is how we look after the most vulnerable, the most frail and the poorest.

"That's true in good times but it's even more true in difficult times. And there will be difficult decisions but I want to lead us through those to better times ahead."

Lord Mandelson, the business secretary, insisted that Brown had given a barnstorming performance and the prime minister punched hard in the opening half on the economy, trying to pin down an elusive Cameron on spending, corporation tax and efficiency savings.

In some of the most highly charged exchanges, Cameron also for the first time really rounded on Clegg, accusing him of wriggling over his offer of an amnesty to illegal immigrants that he said would allow 600,000 people who came here illegally to stay, as well as bring their families.

Brown too joined in to criticise the Lib Dem leader. Under pressure Clegg, no longer the novelty act of a fortnight ago, hit back at Cameron, saying: "Let's save time and assume that every time you talk about our policy you are simply wrong."

Demanding a yes or no answer, he challenged Cameron to admit that his planned cap on immingration would have no impact on migrants from the European Union. He also appealed for all three parties to come together after the election to agree the scale of the deficit and how to tackle it. With the final debate focused on the economy, deemed to be Brown's strongest suit, the dramatic 90 minutes was seen as the Labour leader's last, best chance to revive his campaign, and even prevent his long political career ending ignominiously in the immediate wake of next Thursday's poll. Polls before the debate started showed the Tories narrowly ahead, but with the gap not widening.

In the personal and political test of his lifetime, Brown had to launch his big attack on the day after he had been enveloped in a disastrous encounter with a Rochdale pensioner, Gillian Duffy, when he was caught describing her as a "bigoted woman". Duffy had challenged Brown over the threat posed by immigrants from eastern Europe. In his opening address, the prime minister addressed the issue head-on, saying: "There is a lot to this job and, as you saw yesterday, I don't get all of it right. But I do know how to run the economy, in good times and in bad."

In an attempt to convince voters that the election should be a judgment on Britain's economic future and not a referendum on his personality, Brown said: "It's not my future that matters. It's your future on the ballot paper next Thursday, and I am the one to fight for your future."

He battled time and again to portray the Tories as the party of the rich and described as immoral the Conservatives' plans to cut tax credits but "at the same time give an inheritance tax cut to the 3,000 richest people in the country. Now that's not fairness, that's the same old Conservative party – tax cuts for the rich and cutting the child tax credits for the very poor. It's simply not fair."

Cameron said the taxpayer was having to pay "more and more and more".


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  • Elke Elke

    30 Apr 2010, 1:26AM

    I disagree, folks, and whereas I can understand you giving the debate to Cameron whilst commenting on polls and the like, I do wonder why so many of your Guardian colleagues are clamboring to big up the Tories at this critical phase in the election campaign.

  • Monchberter Monchberter

    30 Apr 2010, 1:30AM

    The polls all seem to resonate with Europe and immigration

    Clegg fumbled, denied what he truly believes and played to the same mob that Cameron knows lap up anything that distances the UK from the EU and the concept of "them comin; over 'ere. Taking 'our' jobs".

    The country will get the government it deserves at this rate and not the one it needs.

    Not a good sign. :(

  • jamesc23 jamesc23

    30 Apr 2010, 1:30AM

    There's something you need to know about me, which is I believe the test of a good and strong society is how we look after the most vulnerable, the most frail and the poorest.

    I don't believe you David.

  • Hibernica Hibernica

    30 Apr 2010, 1:35AM

    If the post-debate polls are correct it looks like Cameron is being rewarded for his elusiveness.

    That, however, is a quality that should cost him votes.

    Further evidence that these debates are really just a beauty contest which give no indication of an individual's ability to lead a government. Brown may be a million times more knowledgeable about economic matters than Cameron is but, let's face it, he is never going to win a beauty contest.

  • clic333 clic333

    30 Apr 2010, 1:36AM

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  • ronketti ronketti

    30 Apr 2010, 1:37AM

    They were all really effing dull, but Brown looked miserable and tired and kept shaking his head (not a good look Gordo), Clegg was sweating profusely, and unfortunately Davo appeared most at ease. On body language and sweat measurements it was Dave's debate.

    He's probably going to win, I don't think the Lib Dems look like they can gain enough seats to force a well hung parliament. Gordo's just lost it. Bollocks.

  • MaxwellSmart MaxwellSmart

    30 Apr 2010, 1:42AM

    Britian is in for a lot of nasty medicine over the next five to ten years, whoever wins.

    Electoral reform that makes Britain a real democracy is the only good thing that can flow from this general election.

    It's a once in a generation opportunity to create a fairer society for the many, not the few.

  • Rob2000 Rob2000

    30 Apr 2010, 1:46AM

    Clegg sounded like a novice and a total lightweight who could barely express himself, even a bit like a schoolboy with all the sort ofs and you knows.
    Cameron was full of classic Tory contradictions like "we'll tax the super rich and support all those who work hard to earn as much as they can." I grew up in the 90s, it was worse and worse in London - never again.
    Brown seemed the most knowledgable and solid to me. Frankly like a pro. I don't mind if he's furiously angry all the time. Most politicians probably deserve his wrath.

  • pseudosp1n pseudosp1n

    30 Apr 2010, 1:47AM

    Erm... Calm down people.

    The guardian/icm poll had the smallest sample size, and therefore the biggest margin of error. All the polls are pretty consistent with eachother. The fact that the polls asking 'who won the debate?' and the ones asking 'who are you going to vote for?' are saying pretty much the same thing should tell you that people have pretty much made up their minds.

    Ignore the seat estimates that newspapers give you the reality is this - the Conservatives are going to run a majority very close, Labour are going to keep their strongholds and end up with about 200 seats and the libdems are probably going to break 100 seats.

    I think it quite possible that even if the cons fall short a lib/lab alliance might not have enough seats to form a majority themselves. Libs would demand PR from the Tories in exchange for their support. The Tories would say no and try to get a working majority from the smaller parties instead. This won't work. We'll be having another election in November. Labour will be resurgent under a new leader. And, we'll be back where we started.

    Oh dear, maybe we should panic. I hope I'm wrong. Please express your preference for a fairer electoral system and vote libdem - you'll regret it otherwise.

  • Cort Cort

    30 Apr 2010, 1:47AM

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  • MsBlog MsBlog

    30 Apr 2010, 1:49AM

    I only saw this debate so cannot say if Clegg's performance was better or worse than the previous two. I thought Brown did well, especially in the first half when talking about the economy. I thought the second half belonged to Clegg who actually got better as the debate went on. Clegg's closing speech was particularly good.

    Cameron looked ill-at-ease when the camera focused on him while the others were talking. I cannot believe the idea of any floating voters seriously being swayed to vote for Cameron on tonight's showing. I am genuinely surprised by the Guardian's take on this.

  • KentGirl KentGirl

    30 Apr 2010, 1:51AM

    A vote for LibDem will just result in a hung Parliament & reinstate Brown.
    Is that what you want... Labour?

    Now, is NOT the time for a new first time inexperienced government.
    The country is in ruins and looks to get a lot, lot worse.

    Vote Conservative to remove Brown.

  • Cort Cort

    30 Apr 2010, 1:51AM

    @rustyruss, Cameron failed to answer one question (about caps), the same number as Clegg failed to answer (about their estimate of the number of illegals). And Clegg lied: EU immigration accounts for 30% of the total coming into the UK, not 70 to 80%.

  • MITAMAN MITAMAN

    30 Apr 2010, 1:52AM

    "But I do know how to run the economy, in good times and in bad."

    That is the point Gordon, you DO NOT know how to run the economy in good times and bad. That is why the electorate, god willing, will show you the door next week.

  • Alexis69 Alexis69

    30 Apr 2010, 1:52AM

    Bugger, a fxckin' Tory Government! Strategically speaking, it's not all bad though the way I see it. As has been mentioned, they'll have to do so many nasty things that, hopefully, it'll only be four years of Tory Hell before they're vanquished for a whole generation. So, like all good medicine, Dave's austerity medicine might taste foul, but it'll do me the most good in the long run.

  • benly benly

    30 Apr 2010, 1:53AM

    This newspaper is one of the few businesses that would actually profit from a Tory victory. Everyone would hate them within months and you would publish articles telling us how right we are to hate them. I would rather you did the socially responsible thing though; do as the Daily Mirror does and go into campaigning mode against the Conservatives NOW rather than being 'objective'. Objective in this context meaning basing your headlines - Cameron wins debate etc - on the subjective responses of brainwashed viewers polled straight after the debate.

  • infiniteloop infiniteloop

    30 Apr 2010, 1:54AM

    Jesus, when is the Guardian going to abandon the labour ship? Populous have Cameron & Clegg on 38% each after tonight...but we won't be seeing that in this paper. Labour are DOOMED and now splitting the progressive vote and hurting the Liberal Democrats.

  • labourpartysuicide labourpartysuicide

    30 Apr 2010, 1:55AM

    Here's an interesting strategy 1 week before the election.
    Conduct a quick dodgy telephone poll and release your findings almost as soon as the TV debate ends to neutralise any failings on your sponsors favoured candidate and hope the public are so stupid that they will cast their real votes next week according to your dodgy poll. In keeping with your belief that the public are really just like sheep you can call the polling organisation something like EweGuv. Then your sponsors newspapers and TV network can herald the major triumph of his favoured candidate according to your ify poll.
    I'm sure nobody will notice anything funny.

  • londonphilosopher londonphilosopher

    30 Apr 2010, 1:57AM

    Why do people talk about who 'won'? It's like the press are telling us who was the best! Surely the whole point is to further enable people to make up their own minds. Obviously Labour voters thought Brown won because he made arguments which are Labour party arguments, Cameron won for Conservatives because he made Conservative arguments, and Clegg won to Liberal voters because he made Lib Dem arguments. The debates are most useful for 'floating' voters who hadn't made up their minds yet. If any opinion polls are taken, they should be of 'floating' voters, and they shouldn't be plastered across the media.

  • Fomalhaut88 Fomalhaut88

    30 Apr 2010, 2:00AM

    Alexis69 :

    Dave's austerity medicine might taste foul, but it'll do me the most good in the long run.

    Yea, just think of how you can run the debt up even higher next time.... for a whole generation too.

    Just imagine all that lovely partially-funded spending, and someone else in the future having to go without to pay it off!!!!

    Every moment will be so wonderfully socialist.

    Won't it?

  • NotPhilCollins NotPhilCollins

    30 Apr 2010, 2:00AM

    "There's something you need to know about me, which is I believe the test of a good and strong society is how we look after the most vulnerable, the most frail and the poorest..."

    "...while we simultaneously give cuts in inheritance tax to our wealthiest and greediest, and not forgetting the banks, that really need a tax cut in their time of need." Yep there is something you really need to know about you Dave.

    Why the Grauniad appears to be ready to declare Dave winner is beyond me- from Kettle's bizarre analysis, 'he passed the interview' to the current story of,' the opinion polls say it , so it must be true' there seems undue haste with little real evidence to support it.

    The debate - Dave avoiding answering questions repeatedly did not make him winner- far from it. Clegg won- followed by Cameron followed by Brown- and Brown did not do too badly- it was the smiling that let him down.

  • seiryoden seiryoden

    30 Apr 2010, 2:07AM

    @Cort

    And Clegg lied: EU immigration accounts for 30% of the total coming into the UK, not 70 to 80%.

    Yeah, the Office of National Statistics begs to disagree:

    http://www.statistics.gov.uk/pdfdir/mig0210.pdf

    Quote: "Overall, applicants from Poland, Latvia and Lithuania constituted 80 per cent of the total number of approved applicants in 2009."

    Try again.

  • Simon2 Simon2

    30 Apr 2010, 2:08AM

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  • Lushattic Lushattic

    30 Apr 2010, 2:13AM

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  • Alexis69 Alexis69

    30 Apr 2010, 2:13AM

    Ahhh, Fomalhaut88, I think you might be posting on the wrong paper. Try the Daily Wail for moral outrage and all that crap. I've grown up under the Tories with patches in my jeans, in a grimy council and very little hope of a decent future. I've worked really bloody hard to get where I've got to today. A family member has young children that have done very well under the Sure Start scheme, as have most of the families in my town. And, if there's one thing I know, it's that I'd rather struggle through the oncoming austerity with Labour or the Liberal Democrats than I ever would a Tory Government.
    Dave doesn't half talk some crap and he really doesn't like working class people. The only consolation is that electoral events will likely be cyclical in that we'll have the Tories again for a breath period, hopefully boot them out at the next election and hopefully get back to normality. You see, Fomalhaut88, this isn't about rich people and family estates, it's about the vast majority of normal people, like me, who don't earn much money, but have families and communities.

  • infiniteloop infiniteloop

    30 Apr 2010, 2:15AM

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  • fastrob fastrob

    30 Apr 2010, 2:24AM

    Labour still have their ultimate secret weapon of mass destruction.
    Tony Blair the mid atlantic accented Cary Grant of politics hits the campaign this weekend.
    Cometh the hour Cometh the tan.

  • TTucker TTucker

    30 Apr 2010, 2:25AM

    @Alexis69

    Unfortunately, because of the way the UK economy has been run over the past 13 years, there is no choice but tough times for many years ahead.

    It's best to get on with what's coming anyway a.s.a.p. to avoid going like Greece / Spain / Portugal. Brown is still getting the UK into debt 0.5 BILLION per day! Don't forget the (wasted) interest payment on the huge debt either which will increase further if the finances are not put under control!

    The UK is being watched closely:-
    http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/columnists/article7112312.ece

  • Dimasorama Dimasorama

    30 Apr 2010, 2:27AM

    I put this article above through network analysis and some funny things came up.

    For example, Brown is connected to "economy", "accuse" and "leader". However, Cameron is connected to "tax", "[tax] break", "battle", "change" and "time" ? Brown is connected to none of these.

    Similarly, Tories are related to "plan", "battle", "leader". Labor is connected to "accuse", "campaign", "government" ? and Tories are related to none of these.

    Clegg is connected to "leader", "accuse", "battle".

    Now... who would you vote for?

    The graphs are on http://blog.thisislike.com/content/guardian-and-uk-elections

  • livewareproblem livewareproblem

    30 Apr 2010, 2:29AM

    Just watched the last debate on iplayer. Cameron was pure slime, avoiding, spinning and outright bullshitting like the Tory overlords of old.

    Clegg is right. This time we have a chance to make a real difference, to change the political and social makeup of this country for the better. Neither Tory nor Labour will ever stand for any meaningful change - it will merely be the same repeated rhetoric, the same lies and double-dealing, the same soulless disconnected chumps leading us down the short road to ruin.

    Vote Lib Dem. It's our best chance, as a nation, for a better future. I pity those who cannot, or will not see that, but I fear for the outcome of their ignorance. Not just for me, but for all the forgotten millions who simply want to be proud of their country again.

  • londinburgher londinburgher

    30 Apr 2010, 2:33AM

    Unfortunately I saw only a bit of the debate but given the Guardian's embarrassing decision to blindly support a collapsing Labour party whatever the circumstances I'd be wary of accepting anything their polls say.

  • Spensor Spensor

    30 Apr 2010, 2:38AM

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  • infiniteloop infiniteloop

    30 Apr 2010, 2:39AM

    I am still a bit sad to be abandoning the old Graun after such a long time. But there it is. It's a carcass. Polly Toynbee will be along in the morning to write the eulogy, dressed up as a "Gordon can still do it!" piece.

  • infiniteloop infiniteloop

    30 Apr 2010, 2:40AM

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    30 Apr 2010, 2:41AM

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  • apickles apickles

    30 Apr 2010, 2:44AM

    Its very hard to see how there can be such clamour to give the debate to Cameron. All three gave solid performances. How do you "win" a debate anyway? Most of this is just determined Gordon bashing and the press have been doing that determinedly for 3 years now.
    Much of this "winning" is nonsense. The winner is the winner on election day. The only winner on election day is likely to be the public - with a hung parliament. Democracy at last.

  • reynardmandrake reynardmandrake

    30 Apr 2010, 2:45AM

    "Cameron wins third leg"

    " . . Brown is connected to "economy", "accuse" and "leader". However, Cameron is connected to "tax", "[tax] break", "battle", "change" and "time" ? Brown is connected to none of these.

    Similarly, Tories are related to "plan", "battle", "leader". Labor is connected to "accuse", "campaign", "government" ? and Tories are related to none of these.

    Clegg is connected to "leader", "accuse", "battle". . ."

    Brown - using words connected to work - economy, leader, and accuse. He accuses everyone of having their dreamy heads in the clouds and wants to point to the facts, which he thinks he's got. He wants to move on now into the future which will be hard work. There is a lot of cleaning up to do.

    Cameron - using words connected to War - plan, battle, tax, change, time. Tories want to mount a political coup on the country.

    Clegg - using words connected to War - leader, accuse, battle. LibeDems want to mount a political coup on the country.

    Who are the LibDems and the Tories going to war on? And the LibDem supporters accuse Gordon Brown of warmongering?

    Breathtaking hypocrisy or dumb innocence.

  • Acerimmer1 Acerimmer1

    30 Apr 2010, 2:47AM

    Brown did the best in the debate but he was allowed plenty of time to collect his thoughts and plan his attacks by the other two.

    Cameron fell apart under massive pressure, this can't have helped him. But yesterday helped him a lot.

    Clegg did not impress, but at times Brown seemed to act as his attack dog.

  • Gabbyco Gabbyco

    30 Apr 2010, 2:49AM

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