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House GOP Bans County Health Clinics From Providing Birth Control

Yesterday, during debate on HB1010, the budget for the Departments of Health and Mental Health, House Republicans voted to ban county health clinics from providing family planning services.

So the GOP has finally come clean that they are opposed to contraception. They used to argue that they opposed family planning because Planned Parenthood played a role. But now the GOP has targeted family planning provided by the county health clinics. Their action is a direct attack on women's access to traditional family planning services.

The amendment, offered by Rep. Susan Phillips (R-Kansas City) removed "voluntary choice of contraception, including natural family planning" as one of the permissible services that county health clinics could provide with state funding.

A few weeks ago when I wrote about Governor Matt Blunt and Senator Jason Crowell's opposition to birth control, some Fired Up! readers thought I was surely exaggerating. But now the GOP's real agenda of making family planning more difficult has been laid bare for all to see.

Just a Thought

This is just a fictional concept but one might say that if the Republicans fund or subsidize birth control they would be defeating much of their agenda. Birth control in many ways would cut down on the low end work force in America. Therefore they must be against it to keep the division between the privileged and the poor strong.

Excuse me.. can I point out.....

... what all of you seemed to have missed in all of your bickering about who should pay for what and for whom. Who is the real victim? the tax payer? the poor prostitute?

Before I go on, let me tell you a little about me, and this leads in to where I am going. First, I am a staunch Roman Catholic. I personally am against abortion, against pre-marital sex, and not found of contraceptives. I am pro-abstinence, and pro-family planning based on this method. I believe that parents should look at their finances and plan their families on what they can afford whenever possible, but still accept children willing from God. Furthermore I am happily married and enjoy every aspect of my loving relationship with my husband. (My way of staying I am not a prude either.) This being said, I know I can not force my morals on others, but I can live by example.

In a perfect world morality would not be an issue, but then again neither would taxes, money, or charity. The world in which we live is far from perfect. Still we should each do our part to try to improve our "little corner".

Now to my point... the issue here should not be how much it costs us in tax dollars to allow someone to be sexually promiscuous, or who should get condoms (free or not), or even if sexually active people will change their life style and become moral because they are not getting hand-outs. I personally don't give a hoot about 90+% the postings in this thread. 

My problem with all of this is what about the babies? The "unwanted" children, of which I currently have 6 (...before you get hostile, read on I will explain). If only we could take away contraceptives (bc pills, condoms etc) and everyone who should not be having sex would stop... that would be wonderful, but I am a realist.. (and frankly not that stupid). Even though I don't like contraceptives, honestly, I would like to acquire a Depo-Provera dart gun to prevent a few more unwanted, unloved, and uncared for babies from being born. I have seen far too many of them. Sadly there are too many people now, while we have low cost/ free contraceptives available, who are still immoral enough to have children that they don't want and don't care for. Fortunately there are some women that do use contraceptives and this helps to slow the rate of these children arriving on our door-step.

See, my husband and I are foster-parents. We try to do our part to follow the teaching of Christ, and "give to the unwanted and love the unloved". But God knows we don't need more children born into "bad" homes, where they are abused in the most horrifying ways. If these already immoral people, who are having "immoral sex", do not have contraceptives, how will that make them more moral? Instead it just makes for more "unwanted" children, who frequently end up neglected, abused, and "damaged". Never mind the financial cost to taxpayers to raise these children, never mind the burden to all of society, what about the damage done to each and every one of these children?

How can anyone argue that these children in any way deserve what they are given? Truly these are the most innocent of victims. So what would you be willing to do, or give, to prevent a child from being victimized? I can not make immoral people moral, but if I can prevent even one child from suffering... then that is a no brainer.

I am sad that so many of you, on both sides of the argument, missed this. 

Finally...an opposing opinion on this thread I can respect...

Let me start by saying I applaud your being a foster parent and putting your money where your mouth is. God bless you. And, I also agree with you on some of this. Where I respectfully disagree is that a contraceptive does not equal "promiscuous". Contraceptive merely equals "having sex". There are plenty of situations where married people and people with a sense of morality desire contraception. Like you, I agree that moral education is important. Like you, I agree that the goal is to prevent unplanned children. But I simply differ on the meaning of contraception in this. I don't think handing out birth control promotes promiscuity any more than handing out a beer mug promotes alcoholism. As with all tools, it's what you do with it that matters.

P.S. When you find where that Depo Dart gun is, would you send me one too? Sounds like more fun than paintball!

I agree with the part about babies, however

You wrote "the issue here should not be how much it costs us in tax dollars to allow someone to be sexually promiscuous, or who should get condoms (free or not), or even if sexually active people will change their life style and become moral because they are not getting hand-outs."

I am really, really tired of seeing posts insinuationg two things: that poor people are (more) promiscuous than other people, and that the handing out of condoms and other birth control *makes* one promiscuous.

I would also guess that some on those utilizing access to BC from the health clinic aren't all teens, so I don't understand the argument that sex between two consenting adults is immoral. You said you aren't for forcing your morality on anyone, and thank you for that.

 

 

 

 

To clear things up...

Allow me to make a few minor corrections / clarifications to my earlier post.

 Hinnus_Asinus: I really don’t think we have an "opposing opinion" on this issue, from where I sit we are in agreement, maybe for different reasons, but neither of us feel this ban is in the best interest of the people in this state.

 To both Hinnus_Asinus and fighting.back: I should have used quotes around the statement: “the issue here should not be ‘how much it costs us in tax dollars to allow someone to be sexually promiscuous’, … ” Although this was not a direct quote, which is why I did not use quote in my original post, this seemed to be the on-going theme for why people here were arguing to ban contraceptives. Again I said not, which I have now bolded above, in that I do not agree with that argument.

 fighting.back: I do not believe that poor people are any more, or any less, promiscuous than any one else. (To be real honest, our household is probably at the poorer end of the economy given the numbers we feed and shelter on any given day. So feeding and housing these kids, while it may make our financial situation worse, hopefully does not make us less moral or more promiscuous. I will also argue that while financially it is more dificult, I feel we are "richer" for caring for these kids. Though the gov has done his share on keeping us on the poor track.)

 Let me clarify my statement: “If these are already immoral people, (I was referring previous sentence about the bad homes where children are harmed), who are having “immoral sex” (I did include the quotes here as this was the argument used by others in this thread), do not have contraceptives, how will that make them more moral?” In total, this was directed at those who think we can “purify” the world by removing contraceptives. In other words, if people are going to be immoral, they will be with or without a condom etc, not that the condom makes them immoral.

 To add to this, I stated that "I personally am against abortion, and not found of contraceptives", not that I am against all contraceptives. There are times and places where they become very necessary. I know of women who take bc pills for the hormonal corrections, some of these are sexually in-active women, purely medicinal purposes, but very necessary. Further I respect those who use contraceptives rather than bringing children into situations where they will not be properly taken care of. This would include, but not limited to, drug users, alcoholics, etc, as we know that women who use these substances can cause long term harm to the unborn baby. In addition to this are in homes where these children truly are not wanted. There are other situations, but the list could go on and on based on circumstances.

 Again I do not believe in forcing my morality on any one, and that includes through the legislative process. Even though I am catholic, I do not believe in a LAW to ban abortions. I feel this should be taught through morality and not force on a society. But it is still my personal belief that abortion is wrong. I am truly Pro-CHILD. I believe that the best interest of the child is the most important factor in any and every issue.  

 Hope this clears things up.

If you'll take another look at what has turned out to be

a very long thread, I think you'll find the reason that cost of birth control played such a big part in the arguement is due to the fact that Arkanssouri seems to be fixated in opposition to paying for it (or anything else according to other topics).  Most of the rest of us were simply arguing against the position that he took. 

It's not just birth control

I would like to bring up a point. Removing the ability to provide condoms and birth control could also prevent many other organizations such as Aids Project of the Ozarks from doing a great service to our community. Yes they have a clinic and give out condoms. Simple economics would provide that it’s much cheaper to provide condoms than to pay the average of $3000.00 to $6000.00 per month that it costs patients and the public in medication. I find it very hard to understand the difference between providing condoms and stockpiling bird flu vaccine to give to the public in the event of a pandemic. I have worked in corporate America most of my life as a Financial Director and we always planed for the long term goal. The short term goal in most cases ended by losing money. 

Heres a by the way. Not all but a large amount of condoms are donated to these organizations and clinics by the people that manufacture them. Many by citizens that just want to do the right thing. (Note the fragmented sentences grammar is no longer taught in public schools.)

GOP and Birth Control

Heres my take on the GOP and their holier-than-thou attitude.  I know some of those representatives on that list that voted for that ban.  Trust me, some of them in the past have let a foot slip, there is no halo around their head.

If they want to ban any family planning, then heres what needs to happen.  Everyone of them need to take on a foster child or two or three.  If they want these unplanned pregnancies to happen, then put their money where their holy jaw is, and start supporting these kids.  They can be a part of the problem, which they now are, or a part of the solution. 

I, for one, am pro choice, its not up to me to tell any man, woman, or child how to run their life.   If they want a choice and can not provide their own birth control devices, then we need to provide it for them.  Whats better, a condom floating down the road ditch, or a filthy little sick kid at the Emergency Room we are going to pay the bill for.  I've seen both!

DavidRust

I, for one, am pro choice, it

I, for one, am pro choice, its not up to me to tell any man, woman, or child how to run their life.  

Forcing someone to pay for someone else's expenses for a cause they don't necessarily support IS running their life.

Why should there be reproductive self-determination if there's not going to be economic self-determination?

After reading all your posts

"Forcing someone to pay for someone else's expenses for a cause they don't necessarily support IS running their life."



I'm going to have to go with the assumption you are against all taxes, period.  If not, which taxes do you consider okay? 

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